Main Battle Tanks and Armour Technology

If Tanks have to evolve, which path they should follow?

  • Light Vehicles-Best for mobility

    Votes: 25 7.3%
  • Heavy Armour-Can take heavy punishment.

    Votes: 57 16.7%
  • Modular Design-Allowing dynamic adaptions.

    Votes: 198 58.1%
  • Universal Platform-Best for logistics.

    Votes: 61 17.9%

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@Santu , leopard is useless in himalaya
Like any tank in such type of mountains. However tanks can be used in mountains area. In Afghanistan NATO use Leopard 1, Leopard 2 and M1A1FEP tanks with great success.

So again, you comment about things you have no knowledge about just like you commented about our small arms.
 
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Like any tank in such type of mountains. However tanks can be used in mountains area. In Afghanistan NATO use Leopard 1, Leopard 2 and M1A1FEP tanks with great success.

So again, you comment about things you have no knowledge about just like you commented about our small arms.
again your new born babiness, do you even know heights of himalayas? Tanks like T90 can be used but not a 60 ton tanks like m1a1, leopard and not even arjun
 
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@Santu , leopard is useless in himalaya
Cmon dude , We are telling that Arjun is much superior to Leopard in our conditions and it suits our condtions.. Ad similarly they can tell that leopard is superior to any other tank in world when you operate it in europe.. In general most off the times you need to put use of tank in desert or plain terrain or some odd terrain (not as odd as himalayas ) where definitely leopard will do it's best.. And if you ask me you cant put arjun also on himalaya's that easily as it's heavy.. that's why we going for light weight howitzers for mountain corps instead of T-90's and arjuns.... very simple man... They put decades of experience and leanring in leopard... where as arjun is our first product .. we should feel proud about it.. at the same time we need accept the fact.. it wont hurt if we get to know and rectify arjun's defects in design :)
 
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again your new born babiness, do you even know fights of himalayas? Tanks like T90 can be used but not a 60 ton tanks like m1a1, leopard and not even arjun
In high mountain parts, very often in Himalayas, even T-90 can't be used, or any type of tracked AFV, even wheeled AFV's would have problems.

It would interesting to know how many billions $ Poland earns from arms selling... They are good for show pieces ...
One of our larger arms manufacturer, PHO makes around 3,5 bilion PLN per year, you can try to recalculate this to USD. However approx 80-90% sales are for our own military, there are not much foreing sales, and most are small arms, electronics etc.
 

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Cmon dude , We are telling that Arjun is much superior to Leopard in our conditions and it suits our condtions.. Ad similarly they can tell that leopard is superior to any other tank in world when you operate it in europe.. In general most off the times you need to put use of tank in desert or plain terrain or some odd terrain (not as odd as himalayas ) where definitely leopard will do it's best.. And if you ask me you cant put arjun also on himalaya's that easily as it's heavy.. that's why we going for light weight howitzers for mountain corps instead of T-90's and arjuns.... very simple man... They put decades of experience and leanring in leopard... where as arjun is our first product .. we should feel proud about it.. at the same time we need accept the fact.. it wont hurt if we get to know and rectify arjun's defects in design :)
In 1948 war with Pakistan Indians put Tanks on the Zozila pass...
 

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Cmon dude , We are telling that Arjun is much superior to Leopard in our conditions and it suits our condtions.. Ad similarly they can tell that leopard is superior to any other tank in world when you operate it in europe.. In general most off the times you need to put use of tank in desert or plain terrain or some odd terrain (not as odd as himalayas ) where definitely leopard will do it's best.. And if you ask me you cant put arjun also on himalaya's that easily as it's heavy.. that's why we going for light weight howitzers for mountain corps instead of T-90's and arjuns.... very simple man... They put decades of experience and leanring in leopard... where as arjun is our first product .. we should feel proud about it.. at the same time we need accept the fact.. it wont hurt if we get to know and rectify arjun's defects in design :)
Exactly this is what I want to say. Arjun is our first product and we are proud of it. We had little expertise on tank production previously. Despite that we have managed to build a decent tank. No one has said Arjun is the very best. Some people are making that up and attacking us.
 

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In high mountain parts, very often in Himalayas, even T-90 can't be used, or any type of tracked AFV, even wheeled AFV's would have problems.



One of our larger arms manufacturer, PHO makes around 3,5 bilion PLN per year, you can try to recalculate this to USD. However approx 80-90% sales are for our own military, there are not much foreing sales, and most are small arms, electronics etc.
I would like to know how much successful the Polish military - industrial production is and it arms acceptability in open global market competition ... How much billion $ of arms export from Poland ?? There was much chest thumping going on for sometime of the brilliant polish minds and fantastic design concepts that will revolutionize the Tank and APC world wide...

Do you have any Idea how much billion $ of order placed for Indian companies ??
 
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Cmon dude , We are telling that Arjun is much superior to Leopard in our conditions and it suits our condtions.. Ad similarly they can tell that leopard is superior to any other tank in world when you operate it in europe.. In general most off the times you need to put use of tank in desert or plain terrain or some odd terrain (not as odd as himalayas ) where definitely leopard will do it's best.. And if you ask me you cant put arjun also on himalaya's that easily as it's heavy.. that's why we going for light weight howitzers for mountain corps instead of T-90's and arjuns.... very simple man... They put decades of experience and leanring in leopard... where as arjun is our first product .. we should feel proud about it.. at the same time we need accept the fact.. it wont hurt if we get to know and rectify arjun's defects in design :)
when did I say arjun will beat leopard? Leopard will beat arjun in any circumstances what I am saying is both tank can't operate in himalayas
 

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@Santu , leopard is useless in himalaya
The Leopard 2 is used by all Scandinavian countries, by most Alp countries, and by Chile. It does an excellent job in high altitude mountains.
If you cannot use an Leopard 2, then a T-90 will also not be of much use.


No one has said Arjun is the very best. Some people are making that up and attacking us.
On this forum a lot of people have claimed that. Furthermore in the last two days in this topic, it has been claimed that the Arjun would be better than the T-90, it would be better than everything the Polish tank industry could offer and that it's Kanchan armour would be the best armour of all third generation tanks. It has been claimed that the Arjun would do better in mud than the M1A1 and that the Arjun would be an example of a good indigenous tank program.
It has been claimed that the Arjun would be better than those "Paki tanks" and the current Chinese tanks.
 
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Poland (€849 million), this is the export of poland
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source - CAAT - Media - Press Releases - Large increase in EU arms exports revealed
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@bose , I wonder how he got that figure in billions , may be that's latest news?
Damian is correct. I just checked with the calculator.

1 PLN= 0.24 Euro
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3.5 billion PLN=840 million or something

https://www.google.co.in/search?q=1...chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=3.5+billion+*0.24

https://www.google.co.in/search?q=1...hrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=1+Pln=+eur&spell=1
 
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The Leopard 2 is used by all Scandinavian countries, by most Alp countries, and by Chile. It does an excellent job in high altitude mountains.
If you cannot use an Leopard 2, then a T-90 will also not be of much use.




On this forum a lot of people have claimed that. Furthermore in the last two days in this topic, it has been claimed that the Arjun would be better than the T-90, it would be better than everything the Polish tank industry could offer and that it's Kanchan armour would be the best armour of all third generation tanks. It has been claimed that the Arjun would do better in mud than the M1A1 and that the Arjun would be an example of a good indigenous tank program.
It has been claimed that the Arjun would be better than those "Paki tanks" and the current Chinese tanks.
I do not know about the above statements. However I made the last statement and it is true. The Pakistani Al-Khalida tank is a complete 100% Chinese production being passed off as joint venture. It is a complete copycat and believe me its turret will fall off during the first trial only.:rofl:
 

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That is too little... The order for AKASH SAM is ~ 8 billion dollar, if I am not wrong... it may be more than that...
Actually I was talking about the calculations as abhi was asking if the figures were correct or not.

Also in wikpedia it is given Indian Army`s order for Akash Sam is 5.3 billion USD. As I have said earlier I have little knowledge on this things so I cannot comment further.
 
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