LOC, LAC & International Border skirmishs

[Screambowl]

If they cross the river using the 11 bridges, let them come, and then blow up the bridges.

why would them come now if they see this post?

 

[Willy2]

Capturing POK in direct war is almost Impossible...best way to grab them is to capture Sindh-Lahore-Sialkot and bargain them for POK..in 87 probably our generals also planned similar which elder RaGa abandoned ..

 

[Screambowl]

What is this ???

trenches which are like canals 700-1000m long

 

[nimo_cn]

Doka La tension: China warns India to 'correct its mistakes', says easier to shake a mountain than PLA

What is this paki-chini obsession with mountains?

it may sound odd, but that metaphor has a history dating back to Chinese Song dynasty.

Mao quoted that metaphor right before the 1962 conflict when he was being debriefed by his generals about PLA's preparation for a counter attack against India's aggression.

PLA spokesman might be familiar with that history.

 

[Willy2]

Check this, Yarlung Tsangpo (Brahmaputra) and the mountains make a narrow sandwich for them to move :

So do for us ...There are't only Sangpo..rather many more tributaries which make similar gorge along whole Arunachal border ..some are small and some are big(Like Lohit) ..Chinese even have pakka road during 62..we are still lagging..China literally can deploy APC, IFV within a day due to plateau geography and relatively strong network of road...
China have proper intelligence of lower no. of Indian troops along the border during 62 ..so they dare to Invade ..they learn their lesson in 87..and we learn it far earlier in 62..I think our artilary position on ridges on border or along the gorges are now proper to deal with any kind of Chinki misadventure ..

BTW i don't understand teh meaning of the map the map ..in Tawang sector there is no such river gorge ..rather passes created by mountain..it's the area where we beaten heavily in 62

 

[Mikesingh]

What is this ???

Is there any thread/discussion here about Indian offense in Neelum valley during first kashmir war ..

Do read this in the link below. From the horses mouth. It's a Pakistani's account from the book, The 1947-48 Kashmir War: The War Of Lost Opportunities by Maj (Retd) Agha Humayun Amin.

https://archive.org/stream/The1947-...2996-The-1947-48-Kashmir-War-Revised_djvu.txt

 

[indus]

isn't it possible to create proxies to do the dirty work, just like pak does? if its a dirty game, you have to play dirty. the balochistan angle has not been sufficiently pursued, so then raise proxies of your own who hit paki army targets, just like how they have raised their own proxies in JeM, LeT, etc

I asked a similar question few pages back. The reply that came was that Govt is promoting balochi cause within India & at int forums. But arming rebel groups is another level altogether. We do not have a porous border with balochi land mass as in kashmir. So arming them would b easier fom afghan border. Now raw must be having assets in afghan, but are they so strong to arm baloch groups. Secondly afghan Govt will have to be brought on board for this to happen.

 

[Mikesingh]

Doka La tension: China warns India to 'correct its mistakes', says easier to shake a mountain than PLA

I'm getting tired of this Chinese crap being dished out with monotonous regularity.

Can someone pllleasse ask these frikkin hare brained slit-eyed dorks to STFU?

 

[Hiranyaksha]

So we will be slaughtered like cattles . My God we are so doomed. PLA and Pak Army is going to keel us.

 

[Indian Sniper.001]

Chinese media calls Ajit Doval 'main schemer' behind dispute, says visit won't sway Beijing

The state-run Chinese tabloid on Tuesday called India's National Security Adviser Ajit Doval the "main schemer" behind the ongoing standoff at Doklam, just two days before his visit to Beijing.

The NSA will be in Beijing on July 27 and 28 for a BRICS national security advisers meeting.

"Doval is believed to be one of the main schemers behind the current border standoff between Chinese and Indian troops", the Party-run hawkish tabloid Global Times said, adding that "the Indian media is pinning high hopes on the trip to settle the ongoing dispute."


The state media also said that Doval will be "disappointed" if he attempts to negotiate on the border dispute with China during the BRICS meet on July 27 and 28. The tabloid piece also stated that the NSA's Beijing visit will not be considered an opportunity to settle the standoff at Doklam as per India's will.

"The BRICS National Security Advisers' meeting is a routine conference held in preparation for the BRICS summit, and is not a platform to address Sino-Indian border skirmishes," the report in the China paper said.

The editorial came as Beijing maintained a tough rhetoric over the standoff and a day after the People's Liberation Army (PLA) released its strongest statement on the dispute, telling India to "not harbour any illusions".

China asks India to withdraw

The editorial also mentioned that India's "withdrawal" from their territory is a "precondition" and will be a basis for dialogue between the two parties. It said that Beijing had no obligation to coordinate with New Delhi when it comes to either withdrawing its troops or suspending its road construction.

Red flagging the warnings from the past, the editorial read that PLA "will take countermeasures if India refuses to pull back voluntarily"

"PLA was capable enough to take actions that neither Indian troops nor the government can afford," it said.

"We don't believe India is willing and determined to have an all-out military showdown with China. If it chooses this path, Beijing will fight to the end to safeguard its territory and resist being deterred or hijacked by any force. New Delhi will have to pay a heavy price," read the article.

The LeT video

Meawhile, the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) leader has released a recent video praising China's stand on the Doklam dispute. The video talks about using the standoff as an opportunity to wage violence in the northeastern region of India.

The co-founder of the organisation, Amir Hamza -- in the video -- is seen initiating his cadre to trigger unrest in the Northeastern states including Darjeeling and Sikkim.

Hamza's video was reportedly shot in Lahore on July, 19.

"We will fight in Sikkim, we will fight in Bhutan, we will fight in Darjeeling, we will fight in Srinagar," Hamza said in that video reports Mail Today. The video has been authenticated by agencies.

Senior officials have said that it was Hamza's first appearance in public after JuD chief Hafiz Saeed was put under house arrest in January.

In that video clip, Hamza not only threatens to trigger violence in several states but also asks jihadis to fulfil Saeed's dream of Ghazwa-e-Hind (war to capture India). "For one Bangladesh, we will take seven states," he says.

Praising China for its stand on the dispute over the 40 km long stretch between Doklam and Bangladeshi border, he sends out an alarm saying that if India sends its army to Bhutan to counter China, then Pakistan will back up Chinese troop and will enter Srinagar.

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/sikkim-sta...stand-doklam-provokes-war-within-india-735885

AT LAST they seem to know the truth

 

[Screambowl]

pata nahi Doval ke baad India ko kab aisa officer milega.. Baki sab saley nikamme.. foreign tour, tea sippers or diplomacy dhanno type hai
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[indiatester]

pata nahi Doval ke baad India ko kab aisa officer milega.. Baki sab saley nikamme.. foreign tour, tea sippers or diplomacy dhanno type hai
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Hopefully we have more good ones. Same stream as Kao, Menekshaw, JFR Jacob, Sunderji. Not to forget some in the political class too. Be it Indira G, half Lion PVN or hopefully the current PM.
The issue is allowing the capable ones to reach to the correct positions.

 

[indiatester]

Folks,

Question about where this Dolam standoff is currently. I see that most of our news channels use

Which actually puts the conflict area a bit farther away from the Siliguri corridor.

There is this other map that actually suggests that the tri junction itself would change.

Which one is correct? I feel its the shaded area in the above picture that is under Chinese attack.

 

[airtel]

Folks,

Question about where this Dolam standoff is currently. I see that most of our news channels use

Which actually puts the conflict area a bit farther away from the Siliguri corridor.

There is this other map that actually suggests that the tri junction itself would change.

Which one is correct? I feel its the shaded area in the above picture that is under Chinese attack.

Doklam =Dolam , the term Dolam is used by Indians and Doklam is used by Chinese..... Indian media is stupid.

 

[indiatester]

Doklam =Dolam , the term Dolam is used by Indians and Doklam is used by Chinese..... Indian media is stupid.

I understand that. My question is wrt the location. In the first map, Dolam is seen to be a bit distant to the tri-junction.
In the second, it actually slips past the current tri-junction via Bhutan's territory and creates a new one which makes it easier for Chinese to target the Siliguri corridor.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Since India does not claim the Doklam bowl, China’s entry placed the ball squarely in Bhutan’s court. But Thimphu had not objected forcefully when China had encroached into the Doklam bowl in 2003-07, and it was – understandably, given Bhutan’s power differential with China – reluctant to intervene now. Consequently, Indian troops in the vicinity, acting in accordance with New Delhi’s foreign policy coordination treaty with Thimphu, crossed on June 16 into Bhutanese-claimed territory and physically blocked the movement of Chinese border guards. India also positioned two bulldozers in the Doklam bowl to undo any road construction by the Chinese. Since then, several hundred Indian soldiers and as many Chinese border guards (since their army does not guard the border) have come face to face in Doklam in a testy stalemate.
Backing up their soldiers on the ground, foreign ministry spokespersons in Beijing, Thimphu and New Delhi have rationalised their positions. On June 26, Beijing invoked an 1890 agreement between China and Great Britain that specified Mount Gipmochi as the border junction. Three days later, Thimphu cited agreements in 1988 and 1989 not to disturb the status quo. The next day, New Delhi pointed out that Beijing had agreed in 2012 to finalise the border tri-junction consultatively and that “unilaterally determin[ing] tri-junction points is in violation of this understanding.”

Folks,

Question about where this Dolam standoff is currently. I see that most of our news channels use

Which actually puts the conflict area a bit farther away from the Siliguri corridor.

There is this other map that actually suggests that the tri junction itself would change.

Which one is correct? I feel its the shaded area in the above picture that is under Chinese attack.

 

[Willy2]

Since India does not claim the Doklam bowl, China’s entry placed the ball squarely in Bhutan’s court. But Thimphu had not objected forcefully when China had encroached into the Doklam bowl in 2003-07, and it was – understandably, given Bhutan’s power differential with China – reluctant to intervene now. Consequently, Indian troops in the vicinity, acting in accordance with New Delhi’s foreign policy coordination treaty with Thimphu, crossed on June 16 into Bhutanese-claimed territory and physically blocked the movement of Chinese border guards. India also positioned two bulldozers in the Doklam bowl to undo any road construction by the Chinese. Since then, several hundred Indian soldiers and as many Chinese border guards (since their army does not guard the border) have come face to face in Doklam in a testy stalemate.
Backing up their soldiers on the ground, foreign ministry spokespersons in Beijing, Thimphu and New Delhi have rationalised their positions. On June 26, Beijing invoked an 1890 agreement between China and Great Britain that specified Mount Gipmochi as the border junction. Three days later, Thimphu cited agreements in 1988 and 1989 not to disturb the status quo. The next day, New Delhi pointed out that Beijing had agreed in 2012 to finalise the border tri-junction consultatively and that “unilaterally determin[ing] tri-junction points is in violation of this understanding.”

Apart from Doklam bowl..is our army protecting "Doklam Platue" too the area in indiatesters map , east of Chumbi valley...even in wikipedia it's written that 2017 Standoff is due to "Doklam Platue" ...may be it's due to misinformation in source of wiki itself..but is IA defend traditionally disputed Bhutanese border areas ????

 

[Bornubus]

Nobody is capturing jackshit, everyone is protecting their own behind I.e territorial sovereignty.


Sabki fati padi hai

 

[LETHALFORCE]

but the question is how ???.........

Providing logistics and weapons and keeping pak at bay but it will be even more, trump wants to hurt china economically


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[Willy2]

I understand that. My question is wrt the location. In the first map, Dolam is seen to be a bit distant to the tri-junction.
In the second, it actually slips past the current tri-junction via Bhutan's territory and creates a new one which makes it easier for Chinese to target the Siliguri corridor.

Actually the debate on the area south of tri-junction..and thats why it's important ..as it's send chinese position very close to Chickens neck...
If u see the google map..u can notice the Amochu/Torsha river passes just east of the tri-junction ...for a few km Torsa create the border betn China-Bhutan and then the border follow a ridge line perpendicular to the torsha flow which meet Sikkim border at Batang la or Dok La(A pass)....
Chinese claim that the border should follow Amochu/Torsha to the northbengal-Bhutan border ....