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Sikkim standoff: Indian Army ready for long haul in Dokalam
Indian soldiers deployed in Sikkim’s Dokalam area pitch in tents, indicating that they won’t retreat unless there was reciprocity from the Chinese army in ending the face-off
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Indian Army officials are confident that the two countries will find a diplomatic solution to the dispute over the Dokalam area. Photo: AFP
New Delhi: The Indian Army is ready for a long haul in holding onto its position in the Dokalam area near the Bhutan tri-junction, notwithstanding China ratcheting up rhetoric against India demanding pulling back of its troops.
The Indian soldiers deployed in the disputed area have pitched in tents, in an indication that they are unlikely to retreat unless there was reciprocity from China’s PLA personnel in ending the face-off at an altitude of around 10,000 feet in the Sikkim section.
A steady line of supplies is being maintained for the soldiers at the site, army officials said, signalling that Indian Army is not going to wilt under any pressure from China. At the same time, they sounded confident of finding a diplomatic solution to the dispute, citing resolution of border skirmishes in the past through diplomacy.
Though China has been aggressively asserting that it was not ready for any “compromise” and that the “ball is in India’s court”, the view in the security establishment is that there cannot be any unilateral approach in defusing the tension.
Both the countries had agreed to a mechanism in 2012 to resolve border flare-ups through consultations at various levels. The mechanism has not worked so far in the current case as the standoff near the Bhutan tri-junction, triggered by China’s attempt to build a road in the strategically important area, has dragged on for over three weeks.
New Delhi has already conveyed to China that such an action would represent a significant change of status quo with “serious” security implications for India.
The road link could give China a major military advantage over India. Doka La is the Indian name for the region which Bhutan recognises as Dokalam, while China claims it as part of its Donglang region.
China and Bhutan are engaged in talks over the resolution of the dispute in the area.
India argues that since it is a tri-junction involving the three countries, it also has a say in the issue, specially in the backdrop of 2012 agreement between special representatives of the two countries, that have till now held 19 rounds of talks.
Bhutan has no diplomatic ties with China. As a close friend and neighbour, Bhutan enjoys diplomatic and military support from India.
Of the 3,488km-long India-China border from Jammu and Kashmir to Arunachal Pradesh, a 220km section falls in Sikkim.
First Published: Sun, Jul 09 2017. 04 09 PM IST
http://www.livemint.com/Politics/Ft...dian-Army-ready-for-long-haul-in-Dokalam.html
Indian soldiers deployed in Sikkim’s Dokalam area pitch in tents, indicating that they won’t retreat unless there was reciprocity from the Chinese army in ending the face-off
PTI
Indian Army officials are confident that the two countries will find a diplomatic solution to the dispute over the Dokalam area. Photo: AFP
New Delhi: The Indian Army is ready for a long haul in holding onto its position in the Dokalam area near the Bhutan tri-junction, notwithstanding China ratcheting up rhetoric against India demanding pulling back of its troops.
The Indian soldiers deployed in the disputed area have pitched in tents, in an indication that they are unlikely to retreat unless there was reciprocity from China’s PLA personnel in ending the face-off at an altitude of around 10,000 feet in the Sikkim section.
A steady line of supplies is being maintained for the soldiers at the site, army officials said, signalling that Indian Army is not going to wilt under any pressure from China. At the same time, they sounded confident of finding a diplomatic solution to the dispute, citing resolution of border skirmishes in the past through diplomacy.
Though China has been aggressively asserting that it was not ready for any “compromise” and that the “ball is in India’s court”, the view in the security establishment is that there cannot be any unilateral approach in defusing the tension.
Both the countries had agreed to a mechanism in 2012 to resolve border flare-ups through consultations at various levels. The mechanism has not worked so far in the current case as the standoff near the Bhutan tri-junction, triggered by China’s attempt to build a road in the strategically important area, has dragged on for over three weeks.
New Delhi has already conveyed to China that such an action would represent a significant change of status quo with “serious” security implications for India.
The road link could give China a major military advantage over India. Doka La is the Indian name for the region which Bhutan recognises as Dokalam, while China claims it as part of its Donglang region.
China and Bhutan are engaged in talks over the resolution of the dispute in the area.
India argues that since it is a tri-junction involving the three countries, it also has a say in the issue, specially in the backdrop of 2012 agreement between special representatives of the two countries, that have till now held 19 rounds of talks.
Bhutan has no diplomatic ties with China. As a close friend and neighbour, Bhutan enjoys diplomatic and military support from India.
Of the 3,488km-long India-China border from Jammu and Kashmir to Arunachal Pradesh, a 220km section falls in Sikkim.
First Published: Sun, Jul 09 2017. 04 09 PM IST
http://www.livemint.com/Politics/Ft...dian-Army-ready-for-long-haul-in-Dokalam.html
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Any idea if border skirmish happens then what will be the extent of retaliation and possible escalation ladder ?Sikkim standoff: Indian Army ready for long haul in Dokalam
Indian soldiers deployed in Sikkim’s Dokalam area pitch in tents, indicating that they won’t retreat unless there was reciprocity from the Chinese army in ending the face-off
PTI
Indian Army officials are confident that the two countries will find a diplomatic solution to the dispute over the Dokalam area. Photo: AFP
New Delhi: The Indian Army is ready for a long haul in holding onto its position in the Dokalam area near the Bhutan tri-junction, notwithstanding China ratcheting up rhetoric against India demanding pulling back of its troops.
The Indian soldiers deployed in the disputed area have pitched in tents, in an indication that they are unlikely to retreat unless there was reciprocity from China’s PLA personnel in ending the face-off at an altitude of around 10,000 feet in the Sikkim section.
A steady line of supplies is being maintained for the soldiers at the site, army officials said, signalling that Indian Army is not going to wilt under any pressure from China. At the same time, they sounded confident of finding a diplomatic solution to the dispute, citing resolution of border skirmishes in the past through diplomacy.
Though China has been aggressively asserting that it was not ready for any “compromise” and that the “ball is in India’s court”, the view in the security establishment is that there cannot be any unilateral approach in defusing the tension.
Both the countries had agreed to a mechanism in 2012 to resolve border flare-ups through consultations at various levels. The mechanism has not worked so far in the current case as the standoff near the Bhutan tri-junction, triggered by China’s attempt to build a road in the strategically important area, has dragged on for over three weeks.
New Delhi has already conveyed to China that such an action would represent a significant change of status quo with “serious” security implications for India.
The road link could give China a major military advantage over India. Doka La is the Indian name for the region which Bhutan recognises as Dokalam, while China claims it as part of its Donglang region.
China and Bhutan are engaged in talks over the resolution of the dispute in the area.
India argues that since it is a tri-junction involving the three countries, it also has a say in the issue, specially in the backdrop of 2012 agreement between special representatives of the two countries, that have till now held 19 rounds of talks.
Bhutan has no diplomatic ties with China. As a close friend and neighbour, Bhutan enjoys diplomatic and military support from India.
Of the 3,488km-long India-China border from Jammu and Kashmir to Arunachal Pradesh, a 220km section falls in Sikkim.
First Published: Sun, Jul 09 2017. 04 09 PM IST
http://www.livemint.com/Politics/Ft...dian-Army-ready-for-long-haul-in-Dokalam.html
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pakistan is not a country but a group of land lords , coming togeather to protect their own family properties and businesses.........they own huge landmass ..
the bonds are weak !!
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Do we have details on the make up and the composition of the Chinese forces arrayed opposite IA in Doklam area?
It'll be the Chinese Western Theatre command led by Gen Zhao Zonqi. According to some reports, the Chinese troops facing IA in this region are from the PLA's 6 Border Defence regiment in Tibet.
http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ral-had-visited-india-six-months-ago-4742206/
Now what kind of soldiers are in this regiment? Han Chinese from the East? Han Chinese settlers in Tibet? Tibetan conscripts? Han-Tibetan biracial soldiers?
What are their specialties?
Equipment?
I think our military experts could throw some light on these issues.
It'll be the Chinese Western Theatre command led by Gen Zhao Zonqi. According to some reports, the Chinese troops facing IA in this region are from the PLA's 6 Border Defence regiment in Tibet.
http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ral-had-visited-india-six-months-ago-4742206/
Now what kind of soldiers are in this regiment? Han Chinese from the East? Han Chinese settlers in Tibet? Tibetan conscripts? Han-Tibetan biracial soldiers?
What are their specialties?
Equipment?
I think our military experts could throw some light on these issues.
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Border Defense Regiments of the Military Sub-District under Tibet Military District
Deployment Against India
1st Border Defense Regiment (Shannan City, Longzi County) Unit-77629: China-India and China-Bhutan Border.
2nd Border Defense Regiment (Shannan City, Cuona County) Unit-77635: China-India, China-Bhutan Border.
Luoza County 5th Independent Battalion (Shannan City, Luoza County)：China-Bhutan Border.
3rd Border Defense Regiment (Shigatse City, Tingri County) Unit-77639: China-India and China Nepal Border.
5th Border Defense Regiment (Shigatse City, Saga County) Unit 77646：China -Nepal Border.
6th Border Defense Regiment (Shigatse City, Yadong County) Unit-77649：China-India and China Bhutan Border. (Nathula outpost is the 1st outpost of South West, Zhangniangshe Outpost of the 6th Border Defense Regiment is the Yunzhong outpost).
Gyantse 1st Independent Battalion (Shigatse City , Gyantse County) Unit -77655：China-India and China-Bhutan Border.
Gangba 2nd Independent Battalion (Shigatse City, Gangba County) Unit-77656：China-India Border. (Chaguola Outpost is the High Plateau Red Border Defense Troops).
4th Border Defense Regiment (Chayu, Linzhi), Unit-77643：China-India Border.
Medog County 3rd Independent Battalion (Beibeng village, Linzhi City, Medog County);
Medog Garrison , Mofan Battalion，Unit-77659：China-India Border; and the
Milin 4th Independent Battalion (Nanyi Township, Linzhi City, Milin County)：China-India Border.
Most troops are Hans from mainland China.
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A Pakistan Army post has also been demolished by the Indian troopers.
Wording suggests that the post was demolished old fashioned way by storming it.
Wording suggests that the post was demolished old fashioned way by storming it.
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Nope! Destroyed by arty fire!
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Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Geng Shuang's Regular Press Conference on July 7, 2017
Q: First, the Malabar naval exercises between India, the US and Japan will start on July 9 in the Bay of Bengal, which will be the biggest of its kind so far. What are your comments on that? Second, there was a common understanding between the Chinese and Indian special representatives on boundary affairs in 2012 that the tri-junction would only be finalized after consultation with Bhutan. This suggests the recognition of disputes over the tri-junction. How do you comment to that?
A: On your first question, we have stated on many occasions that we have no objection to the development of normal relations and cooperation between countries. We hope such relations and cooperation are not targeted at a third party and are conducive to regional peace and stability.
Regarding your question on the tri-junction, we have given the answer previously and I will reiterate our stance. Just as its name implies, the tri-junction is a point rather than a line or an area. The Convention Between Great Britain and China Relating to Sikkim and Tibet (1890) clearly stipulates that the Sikkim section of the China-India boundary commences at Mount Gipmochi in the east. The illegal trespass by the Indian troops took place at the Sikkim section of the China-India boundary over 2000 meters away from Mount Gipmochi and has nothing to do with the tri-junction. The Indian side, in disregard of the boundary convention, takes the whole Doklam area as part of the tri-junction. This is obviously an attempt out of ulterior motives. The Indian side tries to introduce the concept of tri-junction into this incident and equate that point with an area. They are misleading the public.
Q: You have been referring on and off about the Convention Between Great Britain and China Relating to Sikkim and Tibet (1890), does that cover the Doklam area or the tri-junction?
A: The tri-junction is a point rather than a line or an area. The Indian side who attempts to equate a point with an area is of ulterior motives.
The Convention Between Great Britain and China Relating to Sikkim and Tibet (1890) explicitly stipulates that the boundary between Sikkim and Tibet commences at Mount Gipmochi in the East and follows the water-parting to the point where it meets Nepal's territory in the West. This, I believe, is clear.
Q: The status quo and the situation at the China-India boundary have changed after the 1962 war, so it does not make any sense talking about an agreement that was made when India was under British rule. Has the Indian side ever recognized after 1962 that the Sikkim section was delimited?
A: The Indian government has stated unequivocally their recognition of the validity of the 1890 Convention many times. The boundary between Sikkim and Tibet was delimited by that convention. Once signed, the convention's legality and validity shall not be affected by the change of regime or state system, and still less the certain point of time you mentioned.
Follow-up: My question is has there been any agreement between the two sides in this area after 1962?
A: As I said, there is no point mentioning 1962. Once signed, the boundary convention's legality and validity shall not be affected by the change of regime and the passing of time
Q: First, the Malabar naval exercises between India, the US and Japan will start on July 9 in the Bay of Bengal, which will be the biggest of its kind so far. What are your comments on that? Second, there was a common understanding between the Chinese and Indian special representatives on boundary affairs in 2012 that the tri-junction would only be finalized after consultation with Bhutan. This suggests the recognition of disputes over the tri-junction. How do you comment to that?
A: On your first question, we have stated on many occasions that we have no objection to the development of normal relations and cooperation between countries. We hope such relations and cooperation are not targeted at a third party and are conducive to regional peace and stability.
Regarding your question on the tri-junction, we have given the answer previously and I will reiterate our stance. Just as its name implies, the tri-junction is a point rather than a line or an area. The Convention Between Great Britain and China Relating to Sikkim and Tibet (1890) clearly stipulates that the Sikkim section of the China-India boundary commences at Mount Gipmochi in the east. The illegal trespass by the Indian troops took place at the Sikkim section of the China-India boundary over 2000 meters away from Mount Gipmochi and has nothing to do with the tri-junction. The Indian side, in disregard of the boundary convention, takes the whole Doklam area as part of the tri-junction. This is obviously an attempt out of ulterior motives. The Indian side tries to introduce the concept of tri-junction into this incident and equate that point with an area. They are misleading the public.
Q: You have been referring on and off about the Convention Between Great Britain and China Relating to Sikkim and Tibet (1890), does that cover the Doklam area or the tri-junction?
A: The tri-junction is a point rather than a line or an area. The Indian side who attempts to equate a point with an area is of ulterior motives.
The Convention Between Great Britain and China Relating to Sikkim and Tibet (1890) explicitly stipulates that the boundary between Sikkim and Tibet commences at Mount Gipmochi in the East and follows the water-parting to the point where it meets Nepal's territory in the West. This, I believe, is clear.
Q: The status quo and the situation at the China-India boundary have changed after the 1962 war, so it does not make any sense talking about an agreement that was made when India was under British rule. Has the Indian side ever recognized after 1962 that the Sikkim section was delimited?
A: The Indian government has stated unequivocally their recognition of the validity of the 1890 Convention many times. The boundary between Sikkim and Tibet was delimited by that convention. Once signed, the convention's legality and validity shall not be affected by the change of regime or state system, and still less the certain point of time you mentioned.
Follow-up: My question is has there been any agreement between the two sides in this area after 1962?
A: As I said, there is no point mentioning 1962. Once signed, the boundary convention's legality and validity shall not be affected by the change of regime and the passing of time
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Their calculation could be that we have more to loose by stopping trade with china. Their main trading partners are US and EU.
They have sufficient cash reserves to compensate trade loss of 3-4 years (if not more) with India.
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No need to worry. Nobody is foolish enough to wage war. It will be border skirmish at worst.
If this dispute happens Indian govt must make conditions conducive to allow manufacturing jobs to shift to India.
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It's not about economy. it's about the THRONE OF EMPEROR 11.
He has already portrayed himself as stlong leedal in the league of CM Mao-Mao.
china has already has escalated, to the level by doing "bakarchodi" which they cannot back-off.
And India is persistently "ungling" them by celebrating Dalai Lama's birthday on the Banks of Pan Gong Lake right on the TIBETAN BORDER and Hoisting Tibetan Flag; disclosing plans for inviting Heads of States South Eastern Countries on Republic Day Parade.
If Emperor-11 has to save his throne in 19th CCP Congress, he cannot back-off from the present stand-off. His musharraf will be badly kicked because of humiliation.
Emperor-11 has been caught in catch 22 situation.
China cannot back off now, only other option left is WAR. Which India is preparing for quite some time (COAS - we are prepared for 2 1/2 front war; and COAAS writing letter to pilots to get ready for 15 days intense war with CHI-PAK).
India commands heights on Sino-India borders, this is very much ASSURED INDIA WILL BE ABLE TO DEFEND ITS TERRITORY.
And that will be huge loss of H&D for China.
Either way EMPEROR-11's "chaddi is in the twist". (Which was evident on the faces of chinese delegation in Photo of Modi-11 meet, in G-20 convention).
Jai ho Modi!!!
I never thought him to be "Champion of Geopolitical Chess". How he has handled Foreign Relations and India's Standing is just superb.
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Brother even that skirmish will be the mother of all skirmishes.
Besides the scale of wars or Battles have different meaning of each nations for big nations like India, Pakistan or China it means mobilization of thousands of troops from each side along with support element and Hundreds of Tanks and artillery guns that nobody cares how many destroyed or capture in Battle.
And for some Nations their famous battle involve few 100 troops and only 1 Tank which becomes a matter of National prestige and monument for future generations.
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They say that big suprises come in small packages seems like u dont need to be an ex ifs high flyer to be a foreing policy expertIt's not about economy. it's about the THRONE OF EMPEROR 11.
He has already portrayed himself as stlong leedal in the league of CM Mao-Mao.
china has already has escalated, to the level by doing "bakarchodi" which they cannot back-off.
And India is persistently "ungling" them by celebrating Dalai Lama's birthday on the Banks of Pan Gong Lake right on the TIBETAN BORDER and Hoisting Tibetan Flag; disclosing plans for inviting Heads of States South Eastern Countries on Republic Day Parade.
If Emperor-11 has to save his throne in 19th CCP Congress, he cannot back-off from the present stand-off. His musharraf will be badly kicked because of humiliation.
Emperor-11 has been caught in catch 22 situation.
China cannot back off now, only other option left is WAR. Which India is preparing for quite some time (COAS - we are prepared for 2 1/2 front war; and COAAS writing letter to pilots to get ready for 15 days intense war with CHI-PAK).
India commands heights on Sino-India borders, this is very much ASSURED INDIA WILL BE ABLE TO DEFEND ITS TERRITORY.
And that will be huge loss of H&D for China.
Either way EMPEROR-11's "chaddi is in the twist". (Which was evident on the faces of chinese delegation in Photo of Modi-11 meet, in G-20 convention).
Jai ho Modi!!!
I never thought him to be "Champion of Geopolitical Chess". How he has handled Foreign Relations and India's Standing is just superb.
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Don`t miss out 40mm & 37mm auto-cannons ..
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Infantry is meant to be mobile and fast, Getting it heavy will make it cumbersome to move around which means less reaction time in case of war ..
During Kargil units deployed 400kms away from LOC were ordered to relocate and report in within 24-18hrs, A single unit may consists of 250 trucks ..
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Bhai I thought these Big guns will deserve sperate post
Don`t miss out 40mm & 37mm auto-cannons ..
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Infantry is meant to be mobile and fast, Getting it heavy will make it cumbersome to move around which means less reaction time in case of war ..
During Kargil units deployed 400kms away from LOC were ordered to relocate and report in within 24-18hrs, A single unit may consists of 250 trucks ..
I remember i got this L 70 being used on LoC from your post only few years back.
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In Peace time Infiltration done by Pakistani forces in 2000-01 ..
Two Pakistani Personal were shot, This happened right after the years of Kargil War, PA regular and BAT occasionally breach LOC for Intel gathering or other causes ..
In two pictures, The uniform from same year more or less same ..
Similarities >
1. Typical full arm Khaki Salwar Kamez.
2. Olive Green Chest Rig.
Two Pakistani Personal were shot, This happened right after the years of Kargil War, PA regular and BAT occasionally breach LOC for Intel gathering or other causes ..
In two pictures, The uniform from same year more or less same ..
Similarities >
1. Typical full arm Khaki Salwar Kamez.
2. Olive Green Chest Rig.
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