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investment into china will start to fall in the coming months
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There are more than a few, moreover, who are sceptical of the combat qualities of this new cohort of PLA officers — products of China’s one-child policy, which spawned a generation derisively referred to as “Little Emperors”. PLA newspapers are replete with stories of new recruits using boarding-school tricks like spitting out red ink to avoid training.:rofl::rofl:

“I’d hide under my blanket and cry every night,” former cadet Sun Youpeng, who joined the PLA after graduating from university at the age of 22, told Minnie Chan of the South China Morning Post in 2014.

Liu Mingfu, a scholar at China’s National Defence University, estimated in a 2012 report that 70% of the PLA’s troops were only sons — a number rising to 80% among combat troops. In a country with a growing cohort of aged people, with ancient cultural norms against sending only sons to war, the consequences could be significant, Liu noted.



Paul Dibbs, an Australian defence expert, points out the country’s state-of-the-art Type 95 submarines will only be as stealthy as the 1980s Soviet titanium-hulled Akula-class. China’s Dong Feng 21D anti-ship ballistic missile has yet to hit a target moving at realistic speeds. Large parts of the Air Force and Navy are still made up of obsolescent types.

“Let our field armies touch the buttocks of a tiger,” China’s Paramount Leader Deng Xiaoping reportedly said as he ordered the military to action in 1984, hoping to blood his troops and demonstrate “our military is still good enough”. The truth, however, was that Deng’s own economic reforms had brought about a crisis in the PLA. Xiaoming Zhang’s magisterial history of the China-Vietnam war notes that fewer soldiers joined the army during that decade than at any previous time — and were less than willing to die.


:rofl::rofl:In some cases, the crisis of morale bred low farce: elements of the 67th Army, on their way out of Laoshan, demanded $ 1,500 from their 47th Army replacements for all intelligence on enemy positions and firepower. In another case, an armoured unit which did not receive care packages despatched its tanks to surround an infantry division headquarters and demand its share.:rofl::rofl:




On the disaster that followed this hubris, the historian Thucydides wrote: “Sicily would fear us most if we never went there at all.” This, he explained, was because “that which is farthest off, and the reputation of which can least be tested, is the object of admiration”.

For China’s strategic community, these ought be words to ponder: in war, unlike films, the end of the story is impossible to script.'''

http://indianexpress.com/article/ex...sessing-chinas-strength-india-sikkim-4796971/
 

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even few rifle shoots will make both sides settle to a distance of 2km.....

rooj ka drama band ho jaiga....
Drama is good to erode the already dented status of china in the international arena.
china is just coming out from behind its great wall and is mingling with the world, and just doesnt know a lot of table manners in the international arena.
So yeah, all these chinese loud BURRRRRPSSSSSSSSSS at the international table is enough to make china look like a clown than a serious international contributor.

All around china is seen as an invader. Its just a matter of time that chinese companies will lose its traction in international deals.


This is how china behaves every where, grabbing what they can and no care for order. If you think its just the chinese peasants who just got our from behind the wall.
Their so called leaders are the same at a different length.
 
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Nope. It looks difficult to tell, but those chinese kids on the left side were throwing kicks around and flag was something else. Looks like Indian side did try to capture the flag...didn't work out too well. They were do niave and not aggressive enough. I hope they learn't the lesson. Don't trust the PLA on their words. They will use any tactic, and one should give them the time and day. Poor performance by the IA. The PLA boys were kicking IA jawans around while they were on the ground, being unusually aggressive. Thats a top down order, most likily. But hey, i've been wrong before. But left side definitely is the PLA. The IA was simply too nice to these kids on the border. Time to change the language.
the video was made by itbp man on the hill....the video later leaked by indian side...

there was confusion on the part that it was the chinese who bring red bannar....
no , it was itbp man who use this red bannar , ...
https://www.google.co.in/search?biw=360&bih=559&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=showing+banner+itbp+china&oq=showing+banner+itbp+china&aqs=mobile-gws-lite..#imgrc=tWRMrEg5FmWmlM:
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it was itbp men on the hill , we can got two clues ,
one , the man who made video , is on the hill.
second , the man with red banner jumped in , from the hillside...
so the kungfu kick on the video was by a itbp man ......
Did you watch the vid by shiv? Also the incident happened on the northen side of the lake. That was the Jawans on the left side. They don't teach fancy kicks in IA because they are not as effective as bullets. Not even the US ARMY would win with those kicks. Just use bigger guys, and Kung Fu becomes obsolete just like MMA. The PLA gets more kick training than actual shooting practice. Its a very different training PLA does compared to the IA.
the video has been taken from a clif inside Indian territory.

the position from where the video has been taken on its right , thats is 1.3kms west is the Indian post.
The video grapher is facing south.

Move towards left is tje chinese territory, disputed. The area is known as 4 finger.

It has been dicusssed 1000 times. So lets not spoil the thread with trolls.
 

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Dear all,

For 2 minutes I want to distract you from the drop kick.

See location of the incident:


Our boys went to the edge, despite having backs to the water to make a statement. Non wonder the pla were cocky and thought they can push our boys.
 

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So the enlightened folks of DFI have you reached a verdict on this?

Who kicked whose arse?

Let's have a poll.
All Indians could have been killed right there; for that matter..

The main point is that our Boys called them out and challenged their aggression. The Chinese bluff of their superiority was treated with typical Government School crude beating.
 

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Army recommend certain areas where this tactics should remain ..
i don't know about road building , but ....

this tactics of hand fighting , making video , posting on youtube , must be used on loc .....

it is turning out to be very effective without lossong out of man and money....

afterall both sides just has to show their aggression and a faceup to their countryman....better do it without much losses....
 

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Dear all,

For 2 minutes I want to distract you from the drop kick.

See location of the incident:


Our boys went to the edge, despite having backs to the water to make a statement. Non wonder the pla were cocky and thought they can push our boys.
somebody will surely came forward to claim the famous kick....
 

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Squeezed by an India-China Standoff, Bhutan Holds Its Breath
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/....64.mobile-gws-serp..0.4.1432...0.LzJeEELP2gg

By STEVEN LEE MYERS
AUGUST 15, 2017
HAA, Bhutan — India’s main garrison in the Kingdom of Bhutan sits only 13 miles from a disputed border with China. There is a training academy, a military hospital, a golf course — all testament to India’s enduring role defending this tiny Himalayan nation.

Earlier this summer, China began extending an unpaved road in the disputed territory, and India sent troops and equipment to block the work. The incursion has resulted in a tense standoff that has lasted more than 50 days, with Indian soldiers facing Chinese troops who have dug in just a few hundred yards away.

At a time when North Korea and the United States are trading threats of war, China and India — the world’s two most populous nations — have engaged in increasingly bellicose exchanges over this remote border dispute, evoking memories of their bloody conflict in 1962 as the world’s attention was focused on the Cuban missile crisis.

There are fears that ambition and nationalism could lead them to war again, but now with more firepower at their disposal.

Caught between these two nuclear rivals seeking regional dominance is Bhutan, a mountain nation of 800,000 with a mystical reputation and a former king who popularized the concept of “gross national happiness” as a measure of a country’s well-being.

India says it is acting on Bhutan’s behalf in the standoff. But its intervention has not resulted in much gratitude here. On the contrary, many in Bhutan feel that India’s protective embrace has become suffocating.

“In the case of war between India and China, we would be the meat in the sandwich,” said Pema Gyamtsho, a leader of the opposition party in Bhutan’s National Assembly. “It shouldn’t have to be a choice,” he added, referring to his nation’s ties with India and China, “but it is at the moment.”

For decades, Bhutan has chosen India. More than a half century ago, Bhutan watched warily as China’s Communists took power and eventually occupied neighboring Tibet, with which it has close ethnic, cultural and religious ties. India offered to defend the kingdom, and Bhutan accepted.


But the latest standoff has inflamed festering resentments over India’s influence in the country. In particular, many suspect that India has sought to block Bhutan’s efforts to establish diplomatic relations and expand trade with Beijing, fearing that a rapprochement could remove the strategic buffer that Bhutan provides.

“Bhutan has every right to its sovereignty; that’s the crux of the thing,” said Wangcha Sangey, a former publisher and head of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry, who has been one of the most outspoken critics of India’s interference. “We have the right to live the way we want to live and to have the foreign relations we want to have.”

On the surface, the dispute turns on 34 square miles of land claimed by both Bhutan and China. India has accused China of extending the road to expand its control of the territory, with some comparing the move to Beijing’s efforts to cement its claims in the South China Sea by transforming reefs into islands.

The disputed area is strategically significant because it slopes into a narrow Indian valley that connects central India to its landlocked northeastern states. India calls it the Chicken’s Neck and has long feared that China could seize it in a war, splitting its territory.

But when India ordered its troops across the border on June 16, it seemed to do so without a request from Bhutan. While Bhutan has condemned the Chinese road work, it has studiously avoided saying whether it asked India to intervene. The Indian government has also avoided the question.

China has been talking tough, with near-daily warnings against India. Commodore Liu Tang, a deputy commander of the South China Sea Fleet, warned last week in The People’s Liberation Army Daily that China’s restraint thus far was “not without a bottom line.” The headline declared, “China’s territory is large, but not an inch of land is redundant.”

India has put more troops on alert in recent days, suggesting that it, too, is not prepared to back down.

In Haa, a small village an arduous day’s hike from where the troops are squaring off, the dispute is like distant thunder, a warning of storms that may come but are not yet anything to worry about.

The standoff does not, so far, involve Bhutanese forces, and state television and even the independent news media have followed the government’s lead and said virtually nothing about the conflict.

One resident of Haa said that a relative had happened on Chinese soldiers digging trenches while he herded his yak along the border. But the authorities have since closed the foot trails to the disputed area.

That has shut down an informal shuttle trade with Tibetan towns on the Chinese side of the border. For years traders have traveled back and forth on foot or horseback, selling cordyceps — known as Himalayan Viagra — and other medicinal herbs from Bhutan. They return with electronic goods, carpets, silks and clothing.

In a country where per capita economic output — not the happiness index — reached a high of $2,751 last year, the trade has become a livelihood along the border.

Nima Dorji, a shopkeeper in Haa, said he had not received any shipments since the border routes were closed, and worried that he might have to look elsewhere to restock. “We do not talk much about it,” he said. “It is very sensitive.”
Delusional communist dogs, bhutan is shielded from the imperialistic aggression of the filthy commies by India and not squeezed, get your facts right gong feis.
 

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The pelting of stones took place when the two sides were retreating after a face-off at Finger Four and Finger Five near Pangong Lake on August 15. The standoffs lasted half-an-hour each.

The scuffle at Finger Four took place at 6 a.m., and the one at Finger Five at 7.30 a.m. The two sides took positions and the situation was defused by 9 a.m., officials said.

A top government source said the situation along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Ladakh has been deteriorating since April.

There have been occasional scuffles and jostling among the troops in recent weeks, and on a few occasions there have been fisticuffs. “Incidents and issues to ensure strengthening of the existing mechanism for maintaining peace and tranquillity were discussed,” an Army source said.

One-third of the lake is controlled by India and two-thirds by China though each side has claims over the remaining part.

Incursion attempts
“Every month, there are two to three incursion attempts in the Finger area,” said an official.


Of the 135 km-long lake, 45 km is with India and 90 km with China. The mountains sloping on the sides of the river form finger-like structures. As per this, India holds till Finger Four but claims till Finger 8, while China holds from Finger 8 beyond but claims till Finger Four. So to enforce their claims each side regularly patrols till their claim area.

“We normally stop them at Finger Five area. That is when scuffles happen. Pelting of stones s not unusual. It happens once in a while. This time due to Independence Day and the ongoing standoff at Doklam it got noticed,” a defence source sa
 
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PLA presence just across the LAC, Ladhak , near the finger area, close to the place of stone pelting.

They have really built a good infrastructure for executing all kind of ops.

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They have good infrastructure because they are building it for decades.
What did Indian government do?
Even NE states also neglected. Decades of neglect can't be get washed over in just few years.

Stop worrying too much about all the unfairness of the situation. No need to pull our hair over every incident.
 

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