LOC, LAC & IB skirmishs

[captscooby81]

Why don t our forces do the same into their area and why is IAF not violating chinese Air space ..

These particular areas where chinese do violate air space are these disputed zones which are yet to be settled and demarcated between us and China ???

If the chinese violate our airspace in disputed areas we should also be doing the same back to them ..

whats the Air defence protection for the LAC set up from our side ???

Approx 200 ~ Chinese but i doubt since such a big mobilization is just for 200 troops.


Regarding the violation of Indian Air space by China it's also a regular event not only by Helis but also from Fighter - Bomber of PLAAF

 

[aliyah]

only 6 army ppl crossed in uttarakhand not 200 or 2000

 

[Screambowl]

Chinese have money

How did they make money? By getting the industries and reverse engineering from west. This is diplomacy. You could have also done that who stopped you?

there are poor countries around the world who need money.

Lack of taking advantage of this opportunity costed India a lot. India's policy towards Africa is still not definite and Chinese are mining there.

This is statecraft, call it imperialism, call it China's version of Monroe doctrine if you will. Diplomacy is a part of it

My one and only point it, they have resources they have business partners they have industry and are at good position of making contacts through business or industrial diplomacy.

If you are a producer and there is a seller. Either you will seek it's contact or he will seek your contact to do business. Unlike India where India has to do efforts in explaining what market you have through diplomacy to seek business and contacts. That's one point.
Call it imperialism or what so ever.

We do not have a proxy anywhere because,
1. We have never played that game. AT least not at the nation state level. Sure we've had proxies in terms of leaderships in many countries, but never a country as a whole. Sure, Bhutan, Mauritius etc have deep links with India, but they are not our proxies.
2. We do not have the resources to match China and cultivate proxies. Proxies are like mistresses, do not kepe them if you cannot afford them. A self-insufficient proxy is a drain on resources, nothing more.
3. Proxies have a brains of their own...

That's what I was shouting in my previous post. China has alone cultivated it's partners and India has not.

 

[Bornubus]

Why don t our forces do the same into their area and why is IAF not violating chinese Air space ..

Can't comment on that

whats the Air defence protection for the LAC set up from our side ???

97 % of Indian Air defense inventory was obsolete in 2012, that no only makes LAC but also key installation at risk. How much progress has been made since then is upto you to decide.

More

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ems-not-yet-inducted-on-china-border-4772102/

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...-in-8-damning-points/articleshow/59818189.cms


http://indianexpress.com/article/ex...fence-puts-key-installations-at-risk-2991235/

 

[Bornubus]

Sure a ******* size movement of Indian troops belong to ********** just for 6 Chinese troops lol

 

[Kazah]

Latest statement from chinese embassy claims 40 indian troops and one bulldozer still inside chinese territory

 

[TheHurtLocker]

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Latest statement from chinese embassy claims 40 indian troops and one bulldozer still inside chinese territory

Already rubbished by Army sources.
No unilateral partial withdrawals from the Indian Army till date.
-Vishnu Som (Ra)NDTV

 

[Krusty]

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Latest statement from chinese embassy claims 40 indian troops and one bulldozer still inside chinese territory

Already clarified by IA. There has been no withdrawal of any kind.

This is propaganda strictly for Chinese consumption. They have already started implementing the 'face saving' protocol where their media issues statements like this 'partial withdrawal', ' we won't allow sovereignty to be trampled and what not. Just wait and see the Chinese media rhetorics as they wait for the winter to set in before quietly retreating and claiming 'victory' since their goal of enemy withdrawal has been accomplished.

'Image' is all important for any dictatorship. That is why CCP has such a big propaganda Budget. If they are seen as losers and/or not capable enough, their reign is over.

 

[Akshay Fenix]

LOL They spend at least 10 billion dollars on propaganda alone.

 

[mayfair]

Have money...will spend.nothing wrong in that

As @Screambowl pointed out "...What's stopping you?..."

 

[valkyrie_1810]

I am going to just drop this info graph here,this is how big of a troll Chinese really are.

 

[indiatester]

I am going to just drop this info graph here,this is how big of a troll Chinese really are.

Holy cow. What f*cking morons.
No wonder these people think the only ones that need to inhabit the earth are just them.

 

[mayfair]

@valkyrie_1810 cannot see the image mate...

 

[Yggdrasil]

Have money...will spend.nothing wrong in that

As @Screambowl pointed out "...What's stopping you?..."

In theory there's nothing wrong with propaganda and brainwashing and bribery.

In reality it eats away at your internal and external power.

Think about the Soviet Union - at its peak it was pretty good at competing with the US. But then they started believing their own lies. Out of fear, the lower ranks would tell the upper ranks that everything was ok, and out of false pride and ego (and also fear) the upper ranks would tell the rulers that everything was spectacular. The result was that the system was rotting on the inside but no one had a clue.

You can steal everything you want through cyberattacks, but at some point, your opponent living in a free society is innovating at a faster pace than you, and you can't steal EVERYTHING. Your opponent's people have free access to new ideas, the open internet, they are lied to less by their government so their worldview is larger. This makes a difference in intangible but massive ways.

In every case, through all of history, you can see that the oppressive and tyrannical state has fallen due to internal tensions. No amount of Porki army beating its chest and its textbooks lying to its citizens is going to change the fact that they lost all their wars and their entire history is a lie. The effects of these lies are open for all to see - no science, no justice, no unity, no integrity, no progress, no growth and ultimately no state. They might take that one easy step forward, but they don't see the 5 steps back.

 

[Krusty]

@mayfair

I couldn't too.. when I hit reply I could see it in the text box. Couple of refreshes later I could see it.. can you see the image now?

 

[Yggdrasil]

@mayfair

I couldn't too.. when I hit reply I could see it in the text box. Couple of refreshes later I could see it.. can you see the image now?
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Stupid, evil and powerful - a deadly combination.

 

[mayfair]

@Yggdrasil

You make valid points, but the Soviet situation was very different. They did not have money to spare, rather they chose to deny their people in order to wage propaganda wars. Numerous examples of their people waiting for rationed bread while, the comrades were busy shipping wheat to Cuba.

Chinese have the money They run an export surplus with every country in the world, except perhaps their key oil suppliers. They have the money to piss and burn.

Sample this..The China Railway Corporation, the state-owned operator of the CHR train system, has debts of more than 4 trillion yuan, which is about 600 billion dollars or roughly equal to about 6% of their GDP.

How does 10 billion USD matter here?

As long as more money flows in than flows out, Chinese are safe and they know it.

 

[valkyrie_1810]

@valkyrie_1810 cannot see the image mate...

Alright uploading individual file,thought the 4chan post got 404 but I guess its the shitty img tags.

 

[Yggdrasil]

@Yggdrasil

You make valid points, but the Soviet situation was very different. They did not have money to spare, rather they chose to deny their people in order to wage propaganda wars. Numerous examples of their people waiting for rationed bread while, the comrades were busy shipping wheat to Cuba.

Chinese have the money They run an export surplus with every country in the world, except perhaps their key oil suppliers. They have the money to piss and burn.

Sample this..The China Railway Corporation, the state-owned operator of the CHR train system, has debts of more than 4 trillion yuan, which is about 600 billion dollars or roughly equal to about 6% of their GDP.

How does 10 billion USD matter here?

As long as more money flows in than flows out, Chinese are safe and they know it.

Every state is different, every circumstance is different.

China has ghost cities, huge over-production, no real brands to speak of. When the manufacturing companies start trickling out to cheaper bases, what is going to happen? How long can they sell the pipe dream? What is all this liquidity backed up by?

If even elements in Porkistan are suspicious of their One Bluff One Fraud initiative, you can imagine how quickly the House of Cards could fall if there's just one antagonist to roadblock them and gathers others around.

You know who has even more money to piss and burn per capita? The Saudis. What's going to happen to them, I wonder, in a couple of decades.

The Saudis have oil, China has cheap, low-quality manufacturing. In the long run, they're really not that different.

 

[Screambowl]

Soviet Union - at its peak it was pretty good at competing with the US. But then they started believing their own lies.

Soviet block fell down due to the policies of Gorbachev, some say he was close to White house than Kremlin.

but at some point, your opponent living in a free society is innovating at a faster pace than you, and you can't steal EVERYTHING. Your opponent's people have free access to new ideas, the open internet, they are lied to less by their government so their worldview is larger.

You are correct and I don't advocate that Chinese 're correct. What I say that they have all the necessary resources to fight a war. It does not matter if they become democratic or communist or liberals what would matter is, China will always try to supress India because it sees India as cultural rival and economic rival.

During Ming dynasty which communism prevailed in China? Still they tried to expand.

No amount of Porki army beating its chest and its textbooks lying to its citizens is going to change the fact that they lost all their wars and their entire history is a lie.

This is how they are avoiding the unrest by fooling their people. They say everything is fine and Indian's are baniyas.