LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder
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do you want me to post such videos of JFT vs MKI?
where JFT beat MKI..
such videos are complete BS..if you really want to compare JFT..than i will post a video of jft and you post a video of LCA...than we will compare it through a third party.
JFT will eat LCA alive
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Just like you keep eating our sh*t all the time.
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Beat this ultra manouveribility with 0.95twr.
F-16 or even MKI without tvc would find it tough to perform as good as JFT
NOTE:this was the first ever JFT public performance and we also don't have any special aerobatics teams for JFT
F-16 or even MKI without tvc would find it tough to perform as good as JFT
NOTE:this was the first ever JFT public performance and we also don't have any special aerobatics teams for JFT
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JF-17 has one of the most BORING displays I have ever seen. The pilot doesn't push the aircraft at all because he know it will crash.
See the pilot actually DISPLAY its capabilities? These are not members of aerobatic teams... they are DEMO pilots and it is there job. Quit making excuses for your Thunder Blunder.
Anything beats your flying brick with a pathetic 0.5 T/W on dry. Like this...
See the pilot actually DISPLAY its capabilities? These are not members of aerobatic teams... they are DEMO pilots and it is there job. Quit making excuses for your Thunder Blunder.
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certainly you have today confirmed that your a biased person.
About crash
be it year to crash or numbers to crash ratio..JFT has beaten Rafale in both the contests
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/pakistan/27240-paf-jf-17-thunder-crashed-attock.html
browse the last page...Rafale crash history is worst of all the modern fighters
Apart from this Rafale is twin engine as well as having a higher twr.
You should compare JFT to the fighter of its class like LCA(
). or Gripen
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What made you believe it cant? It does more often, having WMD EO pod along with NVG goggles, there are rumors of an HMD (Guardian?) bought from South Africa but not confirmed.
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JFT has a lot of rumors...recently i head some
China also is yet to establish itself as a player in the export market with new military aircraft. The Chengdu/Pakistan Aeronautical Complex-developed FC-1/JF-17, for example, has been offered to foreign air forces for several years, but has yet to secure a customer outside of Pakistan.
And recently China pulls out from development of news block of JF-17 and wants pakistan to bare the expense for its development.
Is it true?
Both Pakistan and China denied this, its a rumour, however, Srilanka has signed for 6 jf-17 to be supplied in 2013.
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After buying these planes from china and pakistan where will the egyptians buy the radars, missiles , and replacement Rd series engines,
and how will they integerate it all, not to say anything about sorting out ejection systems that does not open during the crash.?
and how will they integerate it all, not to say anything about sorting out ejection systems that does not open during the crash.?
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can i get some news link that srilanka has placed orders?
The Sri Lanka Air Force is due to is arranging to purchase six JF -17 planes, according to the progress freport of Ministry of Defense and Urban Development. These aircraft are due to be purchased under the 2013 finalised projects.
The JF-17 (Thunder) co-developed by Pakistan Air Force and China Aero Technology Import Export Cooperation (CATIC) and co-produced by Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC)
The JF-17 Thunder is an all weather, multi-role, light combat aircraft that has the potential to be the main stay & work horse of any Air Force.
In addition, 17 Mi-17 helicopters and 02 B.206 helicopters are also due to be purchased. These are to be utilized for passenger transport.
The Mi-17 medium multi purpose helicopter is produced by Kazan Helicopters. The B 026 is built by Bell helicopters.
However the time span within which the purchased are to be made has not been determined.
http://www.mirror.lk/news/3693-airfo...-combat-planes
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Radar is chinese and is also manufactured at KARF Pakistan.
Klj-7v2 will not be for export to any country.and will exclusively for PAF
Foriegn customer be it sri lanka will get NRIET render AESA..
Egypt may wait and buy JFT III which will no more be a light weight fighter but rather entry level medium weight fighter with expected MTOW above 15-16tons.11 hardpoints(2 for pods),ws-13B with 121KN engine,NRIET render AESA v2..or a JFT replica of F-16 block 60
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got this when tried to access the link.
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The requested URL /news/3693-airfo...-combat-planes was not found on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request
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http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...sia/44983-sri-lanka-air-force-buy-fc-1-a.html
go through the link..and you will find a few more sources
Interview: Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood, Deputy Chief Project Director, JF-17 Programme, Pakistan Air Force
Tomislav Mesaric, Zagreb
In Pakistan the JF-17 combat aircraft programme, conducted as a joint venture with China, is a matter of national pride, with the aircraft on track to become the backbone of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) for decades to come.
"Two years ago we had only one JF-17 Squadron with 20 aircraft, but now we have two," said Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood, who was posted to become the programme's deputy director when the aircraft was still on the drawing board.
"Both squadrons are completely operational, while one of the two squadrons has two roles: conversion and operational training. We are about to raise the third squadron, but we still haven't decided which one that will be," said Air Cdre Khalid. "Around 40 JF-17s are flying at the moment, with the last few from Block I in the final stages of assembly.
"Production started with a small batch of aircraft we used for maturity of the production processes and for the assessment of operational capability and fine tuning of the aircraft," he said. "Based on that and the capability enhancements we introduced in the Block I, we will start with production of Block II. The difference will mostly be in capabilities, production technologies, avionics and some maintenance facilitation for the ground crew.
"As far as manufacturing tempo is concerned," noted the air commodore, "we are matching the retirement tempo of the air force's older types, regulating the induction of JF-17s according to the air force's demands."
Regarding the JF-17's operational capabilities, IHS Jane's understands that the PAF has the necessary sources codes to integrate weapons onto the aircraft. Air Cdre Khalid confirmed that the PAF has the capability for weapons integration, stating: "We can buy a weapon on the free market and integrate it on the JF-17 on our own and in-country. We have a team of flight test engineers and pilots that form the flight test group as a separate unit."
When the JF-17 first entered service it only flew with PL-5EII within-visual-range air-to-air missiles (AAMs) and fuel tanks, but the aircraft is now flying with SD-10 beyond-visual-range AAMs, C-802A anti-ship missiles, an electronic warfare pod and several types of general-purpose and precision-guided bombs. "We are using a combination of weapons of different origins," the air commodore noted.
When it comes to the maintenance the PAF has operational (O), intermediate (I) and depot (D) levels, just like in the West. "Since the JF-17 is a new aircraft we haven't performed any D-level maintenance on it yet, but we are in a process of establishing a component D-level capability," he said.
Regarding the JF-17's RD-93 powerplant, Air Cdre Khalid vouched for it being a very robust engine. "We have flown it for 7,000 hours without a problem," he said.
While the Chinese are reportedly working on a replacement powerplant for the JF-17, the PAF seems happy that solid agreements are in place between the Chinese and original Russian designers of the RD-93 to guarantee the supply of enough engines for its needs.
At the moment the JF-17 is already qualified for quick-reaction alert duty. "We have IFF on board, so we can go straight up and shoot at the enemy," said Air Cdre Khalid. In standard configuration the JF-17 carries two PL-5EII missiles, two SD-10 missiles and two or three fuel tanks. "The aircraft could have the capability to carry four SD-10 missiles," he noted, "but we decided to pursue the present configuration. The digital weapon interface is on all hard points, which gives us a lot of flexibility for weapons carriage."
So far the JF-17 has not seen real combat, but the type has participated in a number of exercises. "We have very good experience in dissimilar combat against different types of aircraft in multi-bogey environments," said the air commodore.
During air combat manoeuvres with the People's Liberation Army Air Force, for example, PAF JF-17s were pitched against Chinese Su-27s in a number of scenarios and reportedly achieved favourable results.
With regard to flight training, Air Cdre Khalid said the JF-17 is "very easy to fly - even easier than the F-16 - so pilot training is not heavily dependent upon a two-seat version. We designed it with the concept that we will have a good simulator. The Chinese have extensive experience with simulators, so we decided to go with them. However, if some customer wants the two-seat version, plans for production are at a very advanced stage.
"For international sales we have joint sales and marketing with our Chinese friends. It doesn't necessarily mean we all have to sit together on every meeting, but the Chinese side will always know what we are negotiating and we will always know what they are negotiating," noted the air commodore, adding that he saw co-operation on the programme between the two countries as being "exemplary".
"The first thing the new customer has to do is to decide which configuration of the aircraft they want," said Air Cdre Khalid. "The JF-17 is produced in Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in Kamra, so we can provide everything from manufacturing to documentation and even help with the induction of the aircraft into operational service."
Tomislav Mesaric, Zagreb
In Pakistan the JF-17 combat aircraft programme, conducted as a joint venture with China, is a matter of national pride, with the aircraft on track to become the backbone of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) for decades to come.
"Two years ago we had only one JF-17 Squadron with 20 aircraft, but now we have two," said Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood, who was posted to become the programme's deputy director when the aircraft was still on the drawing board.
"Both squadrons are completely operational, while one of the two squadrons has two roles: conversion and operational training. We are about to raise the third squadron, but we still haven't decided which one that will be," said Air Cdre Khalid. "Around 40 JF-17s are flying at the moment, with the last few from Block I in the final stages of assembly.
"Production started with a small batch of aircraft we used for maturity of the production processes and for the assessment of operational capability and fine tuning of the aircraft," he said. "Based on that and the capability enhancements we introduced in the Block I, we will start with production of Block II. The difference will mostly be in capabilities, production technologies, avionics and some maintenance facilitation for the ground crew.
"As far as manufacturing tempo is concerned," noted the air commodore, "we are matching the retirement tempo of the air force's older types, regulating the induction of JF-17s according to the air force's demands."
Regarding the JF-17's operational capabilities, IHS Jane's understands that the PAF has the necessary sources codes to integrate weapons onto the aircraft. Air Cdre Khalid confirmed that the PAF has the capability for weapons integration, stating: "We can buy a weapon on the free market and integrate it on the JF-17 on our own and in-country. We have a team of flight test engineers and pilots that form the flight test group as a separate unit."
When the JF-17 first entered service it only flew with PL-5EII within-visual-range air-to-air missiles (AAMs) and fuel tanks, but the aircraft is now flying with SD-10 beyond-visual-range AAMs, C-802A anti-ship missiles, an electronic warfare pod and several types of general-purpose and precision-guided bombs. "We are using a combination of weapons of different origins," the air commodore noted.
When it comes to the maintenance the PAF has operational (O), intermediate (I) and depot (D) levels, just like in the West. "Since the JF-17 is a new aircraft we haven't performed any D-level maintenance on it yet, but we are in a process of establishing a component D-level capability," he said.
Regarding the JF-17's RD-93 powerplant, Air Cdre Khalid vouched for it being a very robust engine. "We have flown it for 7,000 hours without a problem," he said.
While the Chinese are reportedly working on a replacement powerplant for the JF-17, the PAF seems happy that solid agreements are in place between the Chinese and original Russian designers of the RD-93 to guarantee the supply of enough engines for its needs.
At the moment the JF-17 is already qualified for quick-reaction alert duty. "We have IFF on board, so we can go straight up and shoot at the enemy," said Air Cdre Khalid. In standard configuration the JF-17 carries two PL-5EII missiles, two SD-10 missiles and two or three fuel tanks. "The aircraft could have the capability to carry four SD-10 missiles," he noted, "but we decided to pursue the present configuration. The digital weapon interface is on all hard points, which gives us a lot of flexibility for weapons carriage."
So far the JF-17 has not seen real combat, but the type has participated in a number of exercises. "We have very good experience in dissimilar combat against different types of aircraft in multi-bogey environments," said the air commodore.
During air combat manoeuvres with the People's Liberation Army Air Force, for example, PAF JF-17s were pitched against Chinese Su-27s in a number of scenarios and reportedly achieved favourable results.
With regard to flight training, Air Cdre Khalid said the JF-17 is "very easy to fly - even easier than the F-16 - so pilot training is not heavily dependent upon a two-seat version. We designed it with the concept that we will have a good simulator. The Chinese have extensive experience with simulators, so we decided to go with them. However, if some customer wants the two-seat version, plans for production are at a very advanced stage.
"For international sales we have joint sales and marketing with our Chinese friends. It doesn't necessarily mean we all have to sit together on every meeting, but the Chinese side will always know what we are negotiating and we will always know what they are negotiating," noted the air commodore, adding that he saw co-operation on the programme between the two countries as being "exemplary".
"The first thing the new customer has to do is to decide which configuration of the aircraft they want," said Air Cdre Khalid. "The JF-17 is produced in Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in Kamra, so we can provide everything from manufacturing to documentation and even help with the induction of the aircraft into operational service."
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Brother you missed the most important part
JF-17 participating in air exercise against su 27..and the results were surprising
JF-17 participating in air exercise against su 27..and the results were surprising
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Brother, you missed the most important part. The suprise was how easily they were shot down. It was Su-27s that did well.
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