LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[raju1982]

Well, what did you expect??!! It was just 40 airframes!! It was thanks to HAL they got those 40 at all; any private co worth their salt wouldn't even touch such a proposal with a 10 foot barge pole.

Thats what i meant, HAL, IAF, all under MoD. Than why play this game? It is like left hand accusing right hand for delay. HAL management should be replaced with private industry corporates along with IAC officers. PMO should be set up for all projects. Sell 51% of the shares to a private co, handover tha management of HAL. Look what tata did to Air India.

23 years fater 1st flight only 40 aircrafts is not goi g great. Something is wrong, my take.

 

[Blood+]

Thats what i meant, HAL, IAF, all under MoD. Than why play this game? It is like left hand accusing right hand for delay. HAL management should be replaced with private industry corporates along with IAC officers. PMO should be set up for all projects. Sell 51% of the shares to a private co, handover tha management of HAL. Look what tata did to Air India.

23 years fater 1st flight only 40 aircrafts is not goi g great. Something is wrong, my take.

Whoosh .

 

[Satish Sharma]

8 LCAs, no matter loaded with what, won't scare anyone. They may successfully sink a PLAN boat, but they can't handle the PLAN fighter jets flying in later.
That is the exact same reason no Philippine jet showing up when those Chinese marine policy boats in the EEZ claimed by Philippine, even though these boats have no air-defense system at all.

USA has deployed thaad & patriot in Phillipines many times. Aparri city hosts patriot system all the time. North Phillipines. you're chinki jets came but couldn't return.. there are many us bases in Phillipines do u think they let youre jets do what you want.. they will shoot them down way before Tejas would even deploy there payload..

 

[Chinmoy]

Yes, but since Brahmos NG may take time to come out, just thinking if Philippines would wait for it. If Brahmos ALCM could be carried by the current 1A, then it would have definitely been an advantage. There was a news that Gripen C/D is also in race for PhAF

No matter what you do, BRAHMOS ALCM can't be integrated in Tejas.

 

[rone]

No matter what you do, BRAHMOS ALCM can't be integrated in Tejas.

Yes normal Brahmos cant be integrated with LCA but Brahmos Ng can be integrated with lca becoz ng version is a liter one and shortened range mostly in in 250-300 km range respecting MTCR

 

[daya]

Turkey has announced its Stealth Aircraft is ready for production and we??

 

[Blood+]

Turkey has announced its Stealth Aircraft is ready for production and we??

When did that happen??

 

[slayingheaven]

Turkey has announced its Stealth Aircraft is ready for production and we??

Yeah a from first flight to series production not even in 1 year, Its believable. F-35 had some 10 years, J-20 had some 6 years all those with engines available. This Little Birdy don't even have guaranteed engine supply agreement from Unkill Sam, and they boast about series production.

 

[Blood+]

Yeah a from first flight to series production not even in 1 year, Its believable.

Yeah, tell me about it. Damn thing doesn't even have a serpentine air intake.

 

[slayingheaven]

Yeah, tell me about it. Damn thing doesn't even have a serpentine air intake.

No it had serpentine intakes, they got help from BAE Engineers. The point all the fancy features is just jhumla if your plane got no guaranteed engines. A fifth gen is lot more than airframe itself. If all it takes for a fifth gen fighter is just airframe and engines then lot more countries would make them.

 

[Chinmoy]

No it had serpentine intakes, they got help from BAE Engineers. The point all the fancy features is just jhumla if your plane got no guaranteed engines. A fifth gen is lot more than airframe itself. If all it takes for a fifth gen fighter is just airframe and engines then lot more countries would make them.

Rightly said.

F-414 deal, which is yet to be signed, is more important then the SoKo and Turkish flying jets. People just want to see the final product instead of understanding the minefield which one has to negate to get there.

 

[DumbPilot]

If we're talking airframes, even the Iranians have a 5th gen fighter, lmao:

All of them did that sham with a straight face -- why can't Erdogan do the same? As is usual in the military field, those who say can't do, those who do won't say(perfect example is JF17 vs LCA Tejas)

 

[slayingheaven]

Rightly said.

F-414 deal, which is yet to be signed, is more important then the SoKo and Turkish flying jets. People just want to see the final product instead of understanding the minefield which one has to negate to get there.

I mean our F-414 deal is almost finalized and also the deal for next gen engines with france also moved forward with announcements from both french and indian governments, unlike the turkish one where there are vague statements like "partnership with RR(RR didn't even bat an eye)", "GE will supply engines to us(they assumed it themselves and UnkillSAM would generously donate it)", "We will build our own engines(said they don't even have a lower thrust level indigenous engine, and their only "thing" is boasting about building or assembling subparts, it took chinese some 15 years with all the money and tech espionage along with asian brain to reach the stage they were and these think they would make engine within 5 years).

 

[Blood+]

No it had serpentine intakes, they got help from BAE Engineers. The point all the fancy features is just jhumla if your plane got no guaranteed engines. A fifth gen is lot more than airframe itself. If all it takes for a fifth gen fighter is just airframe and engines then lot more countries would make them.

Nope, the prototype doesn't have serpentine inlets.

 

[Chinmoy]

If we're talking airframes, even the Iranians have a 5th gen fighter, lmao:

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All of them did that sham with a straight face -- why can't Erdogan do the same? As is usual in the military field, those who say can't do, those who do won't say(perfect example is JF17 vs LCA Tejas)

Although its disproportionate to extreme, but the concept is brilliant.

 

[DumbPilot]

Although its disproportionate to extreme, but the concept is brilliant.

Hey, you're on a defense forum filled with nerds. Why did you expect proportionality?

 

[Blood+]

@vishnugupt ,
TFX Kaan -

Now contrast this with the engine placement in the F 22 and you'll have your answer.

 

[Satish Sharma]

No it had serpentine intakes, they got help from BAE Engineers. The point all the fancy features is just jhumla if your plane got no guaranteed engines. A fifth gen is lot more than airframe itself. If all it takes for a fifth gen fighter is just airframe and engines then lot more countries would make them.

@vishnugupt ,
TFX Kaan -
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Now contrast this with the engine placement in the F 22 and you'll have your answer.

What is that visible thing this are like fa18 intakes. Serpentine is quite different this kaan's type gives limited stealth only.especially from frontal aspect but let me tell you radars waves travel through intakes and do return to source. Stealth doesn't mean hiding engines visually. I won't give much context look it up. They have just a flying frame. This will require major design change internally bae fooled them after all Americans will they how it should be. if this is final design then good luck kaan.. they haven't done critical design review yet but made a prototype first wow... It is way behind amca as well. Do they have fully developed fly by wire systems we have our own quadruplex fbw system.. we have whole ecosystem of many sub systems unlike turkey who haven't made a 4th gen fighter yet.all LRUs are imported, acchuaters etc etc

 

[Blood+]

What is that visible thing this are like fa18 intakes. Serpentine is quite different this kaan's type gives limited stealth only.especially from frontal aspect but let me tell you radars waves travel through intakes and do return to source. Stealth doesn't mean hiding engines visually. I won't give much context look it up. They have just a flying frame. This will require major design change internally bae fooled them after all Americans will they how it should be. if this is final design then good luck kaan.. they haven't done critical design review yet but made a prototype first wow... It is way behind amca as well. Do they have fully developed fly by wire systems we have our own quadruplex fbw system.. we have whole ecosystem of many sub systems unlike turkey who haven't made a 4th gen fighter yet.all LRUs are imported, acchuaters etc etc

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Pretty much. You summed up the point I was trying to illustrate a lot better than I could have managed. I'm not just that good with words.

 

[NutCracker]

What is that visible thing this are like fa18 intakes. Serpentine is quite different this kaan's type gives limited stealth only.especially from frontal aspect but let me tell you radars waves travel through intakes and do return to source. Stealth doesn't mean hiding engines visually. I won't give much context look it up. They have just a flying frame. This will require major design change internally bae fooled them after all Americans will they how it should be. if this is final design then good luck kaan.. they haven't done critical design review yet but made a prototype first wow... It is way behind amca as well. Do they have fully developed fly by wire systems we have our own quadruplex fbw system.. we have whole ecosystem of many sub systems unlike turkey who haven't made a 4th gen fighter yet.all LRUs are imported, acchuaters etc etc

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Kaan does seem to have sideways serpentine intake. Am I mistaken?