LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Flying Dagger]

By top brass i mean some previous IAF officials.

New chief of IAF were involved in development of tejas i think he will push forward and indigenously developed systems.

who are those some ?

He will push Tejas to where ? They have already ordered it.

IAF is doing what they can it is ADA and HAL responsibility to deliver .

They destroyed the training process of IAF by keep ranting indigenous brought down squadron level with their late delivery schedule and rant of indigenous , then promised another lollipop.

 

[uoftotaku]

The greatest disservice that HAL & GTRE have done to the nation and the IAF has been their constant bluffing and public boasting with nothing material to show for it.

They have been doing it for 20 years and everyone with knowledge has basically stopped listening to their rubbish anymore. Granted they have faced huge challenges with tech and designs and constantly changing goalposts etc

BUT nobody would have faulted them for being humble about those things. Instead they have constantly been boasting with no end result and frankly it is pathetic to keep listening to their barrage of high handed comments any more.

Show us the end result instead of constantly just arrogantly dismissing huge technical issues as small matters while then delaying the project for years uncounted.

IAF for its part has made the mistake of publicly calling their bluff and making it a continuing international embarrassment for the nation when service chiefs have openly lobbied for certain products to be bought (imports).

Let's not get into the Bison debate, its too pathetic

There needs to be a mindset change within ALL the armed forces to accept that weapons development is a long and painful process but that industry needs to be supported along the way. Everyone expects magic wand to be waved and a world class product to emerge at first try. It doesn't work that way...not here..not anywhere. There is a concept of incremental development...baby steps...build a go cart before attempting to take on Ferrari.

The F-35 is over 25 years in development and is nowhere near reaching full operational capability. But does the USAF refuse to buy the partially useful LRIP and Block 1 jets? No...in fact they've committed to hundreds of them..because they understand that the company needs to keep its production line hot otherwise they will never get to the full capability.

 

[Defcon 1]

The greatest disservice that HAL & GTRE have done to the nation and the IAF has been their constant bluffing and public boasting with nothing material to show for it.

They have been doing it for 20 years and everyone with knowledge has basically stopped listening to their rubbish anymore. Granted they have faced huge challenges with tech and designs and constantly changing goalposts etc

BUT nobody would have faulted them for being humble about those things. Instead they have constantly been boasting with no end result and frankly it is pathetic to keep listening to their barrage of high handed comments any more.

Show us the end result instead of constantly just arrogantly dismissing huge technical issues as small matters while then delaying the project for years uncounted.

IAF for its part has made the mistake of publicly calling their bluff and making it a continuing international embarrassment for the nation when service chiefs have openly lobbied for certain products to be bought (imports).

Let's not get into the Bison debate, its too pathetic

There needs to be a mindset change within ALL the armed forces to accept that weapons development is a long and painful process but that industry needs to be supported along the way. Everyone expects magic wand to be waved and a world class product to emerge at first try. It doesn't work that way...not here..not anywhere. There is a concept of incremental development...baby steps...build a go cart before attempting to take on Ferrari.

The F-35 is over 25 years in development and is nowhere near reaching full operational capability. But does the USAF refuse to buy the partially useful LRIP and Block 1 jets? No...in fact they've committed to hundreds of them..because they understand that the company needs to keep its production line hot otherwise they will never get to the full capability.

F35 is probably kickbacks. I have read multiple articles where defence officials have blamed LM of rushing F35 into production without meeting required milestones. Though that is off-topic so wouldn't go deep into it.

 

[Bleh]

IAF logic is great ask for a light weight aircraft in 90s. Then for a country like india which never had experience to build jet designed and build one in sanctions. Then they tried everything to kill that bird. (thanks to corrupt MOD and IAF love for forgein systems).

That's unfair to say... Present IAF top-brass did place order for a squadron of halfbaked IOC fighters, that can't even be used in combat unless upgraded to Mark1A later.
They didn't want any more Mark1 Tejas but when Mark2 was delayed & HAL/ADA proposed the Mark1A they did go on with a large order.

The problem is they won't be extending that order from 123 to 143, because

IAF would like 200 Rafales & BVRs with 200km NEZ... but you can't always have what you want!

If the predecessors in IAF & GOI of late-'70s who bought extra Jaguars & Mig-29 due to political & "other" reasons, instead adopted Mirages & pushed on with this;

...then India aerospace wouldn't have to start over from ZERO all over again & today they'd have Mirage-2000++ as lower end medium-fighters, while almost definitely flying these by 2010.

But that's water under the bridge now & the fact is, that didn't happen. IAF's squadron strength could fall below 30. And they'll continue to crash Mig-21s & Jaguars until 2025 as the only remaining user in the whole world.
These are the circumstances & all parties are equally responsible for it.

 

[Flying Dagger]

The greatest disservice that HAL & GTRE have done to the nation and the IAF has been their constant bluffing and public boasting with nothing material to show for it.

They have been doing it for 20 years and everyone with knowledge has basically stopped listening to their rubbish anymore. Granted they have faced huge challenges with tech and designs and constantly changing goalposts etc

BUT nobody would have faulted them for being humble about those things. Instead they have constantly been boasting with no end result and frankly it is pathetic to keep listening to their barrage of high handed comments any more.

Show us the end result instead of constantly just arrogantly dismissing huge technical issues as small matters while then delaying the project for years uncounted.

IAF for its part has made the mistake of publicly calling their bluff and making it a continuing international embarrassment for the nation when service chiefs have openly lobbied for certain products to be bought (imports).

Let's not get into the Bison debate, its too pathetic

There needs to be a mindset change within ALL the armed forces to accept that weapons development is a long and painful process but that industry needs to be supported along the way. Everyone expects magic wand to be waved and a world class product to emerge at first try. It doesn't work that way...not here..not anywhere. There is a concept of incremental development...baby steps...build a go cart before attempting to take on Ferrari.

The F-35 is over 25 years in development and is nowhere near reaching full operational capability. But does the USAF refuse to buy the partially useful LRIP and Block 1 jets? No...in fact they've committed to hundreds of them..because they understand that the company needs to keep its production line hot otherwise they will never get to the full capability.

You are on spot except it is not our first time of everything and it is a lame excuse. we could not provide basic arms like rifles night vision devices and pistol of good quality to army in so many years what else can we expect from the OFB's .

If product is of good quality armed forces does induct and support them. When Dhruva was inducted it wasn't world class but they did supported the whole project.

Army didn't wanted T 90 in the first place and we were actually developing improved version of T 72 until Russia intervened and sort of cleaned it out of option and we went for T 90 ( improved T72 itself) which was a big messy affair .

I think it is our general attitude of chalta hain non professionalism in Gov sector and weak corrupt politicians to be blamed. Defense forces may have some corrupt officials getting kickbacks but it is actually the agencies like OFB HAL DRDO who give them solid reasons to be neglected.

 

[samsaptaka]

You are on spot except it is not our first time of everything and it is a lame excuse. we could not provide basic arms like rifles night vision devices and pistol of good quality to army in so many years what else can we expect from the OFB's .

If product is of good quality armed forces does induct and support them. When Dhruva was inducted it wasn't world class but they did supported the whole project.

Army didn't wanted T 90 in the first place and we were actually developing improved version of T 72 until Russia intervened and sort of cleaned it out of option and we went for T 90 ( improved T72 itself) which was a big messy affair .

I think it is our general attitude of chalta hain non professionalism in Gov sector and weak corrupt politicians to be blamed. Defense forces may have some corrupt officials getting kickbacks but it is actually the agencies like OFB HAL DRDO who give them solid reasons to be neglected.

Except we do have a company called Tonbo producing first class night vision devices, yet army fails to induct them en masse, and instead imports them. Why ? Tell me who is to blame here ?

 

[rohit b3]

Can someone tell me what kind of Data Link does Tejas mk1/mk1A have?

 

[Bleh]

Except we do have a company called Tonbo producing first class night vision devices, yet army fails to induct them en masse, and instead imports them. Why ? Tell me who is to blame here ?

Not to mention, that this sort of features to Insas 1B1 should have been asked for by 2005, but no such thing happened till 2013's last batch other than addressing teething-issues (changing orange paint with black don't count). P-rails, ergonomic handguard, adjustable buttstock, optics, new magazine...

Instead this truly shit quality garbage of all the indigenous developments ever, the one that least deserved to be accepted, got inducted in thousands... despite tons of manufacturing defects & without even those basicest of upgradations over 20 fucking years!!! Because fuckall.

 

[Flying Dagger]

That's unfair to say... Present IAF top-brass did place order for a squadron of halfbaked IOC fighters, that can't even be used in combat unless upgraded to Mark1A later.
They didn't want any more Mark1 Tejas but when Mark2 was delayed & HAL/ADA proposed the Mark1A they did go on with a large order.

The problem is they won't be extending that order from 123 to 143, becauseView attachment 39082
IAF would like 200 Rafales & BVRs with 200km NEZ... but you can't always have what you want!

If the predecessors in IAF & GOI of late-'70s who bought extra Jaguars & Mig-29 due to political & "other" reasons, instead adopted Mirages & pushed on with this;View attachment 39085
...then India aerospace wouldn't have to start over from ZERO all over again & today they'd have Mirage-2000++ as lower end medium-fighters, while almost definitely flying these by 2010.View attachment 39086
But that's water under the bridge now & the fact is, that didn't happen. IAF's squadron strength could fall below 30. And they'll continue to crash Mig-21s & Jaguars until 2025 as the only remaining user in the whole world.
These are the circumstances & all parties are equally responsible for it.

AMCA and HF 73 are totally different beast. The latter would have done more good to us in 70s if continued.

AMCA borrowed heavily from our experience with mirage Tejas and Sukhoi .

Except we do have a company called Tonbo producing first class night vision devices, yet army fails to induct them en masse, and instead imports them. Why ? Tell me who is to blame here ?

You made a lame point here bro . Even then for your info companies like MKU did got support from army when they delivered. Just read about their humble beginning .

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/m.ec...-defence-exports/amp_articleshow/59469992.cms

 

[Bleh]

AMCA and HF 73 are totally different beast. The latter would have done more good to us in 70s if continued.

AMCA borrowed heavily from our experience with mirage Tejas and Sukhoi.

I meant that the decade long gap in aircraft R&D during the '80s could have been avoided, if both the 2 successors of Hf-24/25 Marut wouldn't have all been scrapped.
That way AMCA could practically have been based on HF-73, like LCA & MWF, with its initial versions very likely being already in service by 2010-15... IAF could afford to scrap LCA in 2000s & wait. But India's aerospace industry in the '90s would definitely have been a place to offer replacement for vintage Mig-21 & Jags, unlike it was in reality.

We'd still end up buying Su-30, more Mirage-2000s probably... but not the whole crash brigade of Mig-23 or Mig-25 or Mig-27 or Mig-29, nor so many Jaguars (a few maybe, until the GAF design matured).

 

[vishnugupt]

Except we do have a company called Tonbo producing first class night vision devices, yet army fails to induct them en masse, and instead imports them. Why ? Tell me who is to blame here ?

Of course this Tonbo should be blamed. Otherwise they will give tailored requirements which can't be fulfilled by even God himself.
Tonbo export to America and Europe but not for our armed forces

 

[Armand2REP]

We'd still end up buying Su-30, more Mirage-2000s probably...

Those will just be replacements of lost aircraft. Replacement squadrons will be formed on Rafale and Tejas... and then AMCA.

 

[Bleh]

Those will just be replacements of lost aircraft.

Didn't get what you meant, please elaborate...

What i meant was that even if Marut's follow up developments of Advanced Strike Aircraft (ASA) & Ground Attack Fighter (GAF) were both persued, eventually evolving to the HF-73 Hindustan Supersonic Strike (HSS) & Advanced Strike Fighter (ASF)...

...some Mirages could have still been bought in '80s as multi roles, because their latest designs were clearly veering towards dedicated fighter-interceptor & striker-bomber.

And both seems to be medium weight fighter designs so Flankers or F-15s (who knows?) would have possibly made its way into Indian Air Force.

 

[patriots]

Tejas with centerline super sonic drop tanks..............

And now Tejas foc features 725 l super sonic drop tanks too

Recently a 1200 ltr fuel tank fell apart from tejas

 

[patriots]

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Tejas with centerline super sonic drop tanks..............

And now Tejas foc features 725 l super sonic drop tanks too

Recently a 1200 ltr fuel tank fell apart from tejas

And the drop tank fell from sp7...
......

 

[Flying Dagger]

Can someone tell me what kind of Data Link does Tejas mk1/mk1A have?

It is Link 16 . You can google more on that .

 

[charlie]

It is Link 16 . You can google more on that .

Is that sarcasm or you are just fuxking with him!

If you think it’s link 16 then which other aircraft in Indian inventory uses link 16 ? So the question arise which aircraft will lca mk1a will talk too with it’s link 16 ?

Have you heard of BEL data link ? There is a reason why Boeing has to buy BEL data link II for p8I.

 

[rockstar]

LCA FOC versions will be out soon from hangers.

Who got get the same? same Flying Daggers?

 

[Armand2REP]

Who got get the same? same Flying Daggers?

What radar is currently flying in the Mark 1 of the Flying Daggers?

 

[rockstar]

What radar is currently flying in the Mark 1 of the Flying Daggers?

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