LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[vin bharat mahan]

1. they dont need to cover entire pak airspace only impoartant areas, pak also having Spada 2000
2.lol, dont compare a small preemptive strike against non military asset, its total nonsense/stupid theory, apologies. it i offensive you
4. Don't work since they are having better AEW&C, even with super duper EW, they can detect mki 250/300 km away easily
5. its nor about mig21 or lca mainly, or jaguars, but about mki
6. ioc is use less, in warfare, no guns, no bvr or advanced ccm, only outdated r73, need to upgrade them into mk1a uttam standard
7. yes, a major reason why iaf crying for mrfa
8. lol darin 3 upgrade is similar to mk1a upgrade. flying on ground levels is to avoid SAMs, issue is qr srsams with eo sensors, but pak AEW&C nullify jaguar main strength, that why F35 is the best solution. asraam range is about 25/30 km max
jaguar main strength was its flying on ground levels - yes, but all jets can fly on ground levels, in the case of jaguar it can cover around 500km on ground levels, which helps to avoid radar detections, and pop up outside PAF sam range and use sead and strike PAF targets, and use ccm for self defense, but jaguar lost its main advantage when PAF acquired erieye
9. Yes, but they lack PAF having large no of aircraft also, PLAAF only stated and still need more time to build infra to support 500 plus aircraft in forward bases
10. why do you think drdo developed saaw, that how one achieve air superiority in enemy air space. destroying their SAMs and air defense/air force basics and its job of jaguar in the past, in future one need stealth ac to achieve the goal. IAF decided to replace mig 29/m2k/jaguar with mk2 becz there is no other option, amca only arrive around 2040mk1/ 2045mk2 if jv is successful,
IAF brahmas 900km/ air launched help to fill the role of jaguar with deep penetration strike role, spy satellite acquire the target, mk2 can do sead after brahmos strike, and destroy rest
Jaguar type warfare - rafale, su34, sh etc were developed keeping in mind of jaguar type warfare and due to the arrival if awacs, f35 stealth is developed
trainer aircraft cant replace su34, or rafale or sh or rafale, jaguar having twice the range of tejas in low altitudes

after hearing u...su 30 mki be like :- "kya karo mai, job chhod do?" nd we will make sure to induct 6 more new squadron of jaguar. no need to buy tejas mark 2..

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars

 

[samsaptaka]

Does this include Astra and SAAW ?

 

[Gyyan]

 

[Roland55]

Isnt that Elta 2052?

 

[standard snowball]

Isnt that Elta 2052?

Earlier Gallium Arsenide version of uttam, basically uttam mk1. (most probably it's just being used for testing various air to air or air to ground algorithms)
However production variant will have uttam mk2 (a GaN based radar)
This is how uttam mk2 looks like

 

[NutCracker]

Isnt that Elta 2052?

It's an old photo of Uttam from 2018/19 DRDO brochure that featured an article about installation of radar on Tejas (Sp-3) maybe.

 

[Roland55]

It's an old photo of Uttam from 2018/19 DRDO brochure that featured an article about installation of radar on Tejas (Sp-3) maybe.

Yeah its an old pic, but i had that it was a 2052 being installed, not UTTAM. Still if Uttam, cool, never saw 2052 then

 

[Gyyan]

 

[stat231]

Second Series trainer?

 

[Aditya Ballal]

LCA Tejas Armed with the Astra BVR A2A Missiles.

 

[vin bharat mahan]

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LCA Tejas Armed with the Astra BVR A2A Missiles.

there r many different missiles to integrate on tejas mark 1 nd 1a:-
1:- ASRAAM.
2:- SAAW (not sure about integration ).
3:- rudram 1 (anti radiation).
4:- israeli rampage missiles.
5:- gaurav nd gautham.
6:- spike (not sure about integration).
7:- russian kh 35 anti naval missile.
with these its capabilities increases...but dont know how much time they took to integrate all these missile. nd there will be rudram2, rudram3, astra2, astra3, brahmos ng, saaw ng etc missiles also ready in future to integrate.

 

[samsaptaka]

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LCA Tejas Armed with the Astra BVR A2A Missiles.

Oh finally ! Is Astra still in the process of integration or it's completed successfully ? Any idea

 

[Fatalis]

Finally Astra on Tejas.

But why the heck so many similar type of missiles on Tejas:
1. First R-73M then Python 5 then ASRAAM.
2. First Derby then Astra
3. First Spice then Hammer then SAAW

If this is just to pave the way from foreign to swadeshi then it is completely fine but if they want all the weapons then it is pretty messed up.

 

[Fatalis]

there r many different missiles to integrate on tejas mark 1 nd 1a:-
1:- ASRAAM.
2:- SAAW (not sure about integration ).
3:- rudram 1 (anti radiation).
4:- israeli rampage missiles.
5:- gaurav nd gautham.
6:- spike (not sure about integration).
7:- russian kh 35 anti naval missile.
with these its capabilities increases...but dont know how much time they took to integrate all these missile. nd there will be rudram2, rudram3, astra2, astra3, brahmos ng, saaw ng etc missiles also ready in future to integrate.

I don't think the IAF has Kh-35 and Rampage in its inventory.

 

[vin bharat mahan]

I don't think the IAF has Kh-35 and Rampage in its inventory.

last year air force actually bought rampage missiles, but dont know for which fighter. its 200-250 km range ballistic missiles, with lesser weight. we dont hv any missiles like rampage, so its beneficial to add it on tejas also. we r using kh 35 from russian fighters. tejas dont hv option for antiship missiles. untill brahmos ng will come in picture. harpoon is a option, but i think air force will use already existing kh 35 in antiship role in tejas.

 

[vin bharat mahan]

Finally Astra on Tejas.

But why the heck so many similar type of missiles on Tejas:
1. First R-73M then Python 5 then ASRAAM.
2. First Derby then Astra
3. First Spice then Hammer then SAAW

If this is just to pave the way from foreign to swadeshi then it is completely fine but if they want all the weapons then it is pretty messed up.

there r difference in spice, hammer nd saaw missiles. spice carry 500 nd 1000 kg warhead. but SAAW carry 100 kg warhead nd easy to carry in larger number. spice hv also 100-150 kg warhead version, but we didnt buy it. hammer hv rocket motors on it. so it can gain height in middle ways. so its helpful to launch from one side of mountain to other side of target. hammer can attain height nd cross mountain, so aircraft dont need to come infront of enemy radars.
python 5 hv more control phase, thats why first time they fail to integrate it with tejas. python 5 hv also 20-30 km range, meanwhile asraam hv 30-40 km range. python 5 is way superior than r73m. thats why first they integrate python 5 over r73m. nd after for more range they integrate asraam also.

 

[Fatalis]

last year air force actually bought rampage missiles, but dont know for which fighter. its 200-250 km range ballistic missiles, with lesser weight. we dont hv any missiles like rampage, so its beneficial to add it on tejas also. we r using kh 35 from russian fighters. tejas dont hv option for antiship missiles. untill brahmos ng will come in picture. harpoon is a option, but i think air force will use already existing kh 35 in antiship role in tejas.

I think it was the IN which bought the Rampage missile.

 

[vin bharat mahan]

I think it was the IN which bought the Rampage missile.

oh yeah..i forgot. that time i also questioning this missile need in DEAD mission, so its procurement for air force make more sense. anyway i remember HAL also shows rampage missile on their tejas weapon catalogue. so they will definitely integrate it.

 

[johnj]

Finally Astra on Tejas.

But why the heck so many similar type of missiles on Tejas:
1. First R-73M then Python 5 then ASRAAM.
2. First Derby then Astra
3. First Spice then Hammer then SAAW

If this is just to pave the way from foreign to swadeshi then it is completely fine but if they want all the weapons then it is pretty messed up.

CCM. R73 is only ccm we are having that time[2000] with HMD
Since r73 cant match PAF aim9x, IAF asked for python5
HAL choose asraam for jaguar, and integrating in LCA increase asraam value for money
BVR iDerby and iDerby ER IAF using Derby in spyder sam and iderby er required to counter PAF advanced bvr capability
Astra mk1. low cost option
Astre mk2, stranded bvr for all jets
Spice - PGM with seeker, works with litening pod with out any issue [JDAM EO]
Hammer - missile/ standoff weapon [JSOW]
SAAW - standoff anti runway weapon
Plus, LGB, G bomb etc
And need ARM, AShM, ALTCM, AGM etc