LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Knowitall]

It seems Koreans have successfully bribed every program! Malaysia and Egypt. They are very aggressive with their products and doing anything to grab the deals and orders.

Govt need to seriously consider my suggestion of 1 yr paid vacation in Goa!

Meh their marketing and industrial capacity is simply better.

We can bitch all we want buy IAF itself has fucked up Tejas beyond measure with them crying for rafale on the world stage every other week.

Only naive people would think that countries are buying equipment with full honestly instead of a combination of product money and lobbying.

From Australia to European countries a lot of them are buying Korean arms due the quality and timely delivery of the product.

We can either buckle up or continue to moan

 

[SKC]

Meh their marketing and industrial capacity is simply better.

We can bitch all we want buy IAF itself has fucked up Tejas beyond measure with them crying for rafale on the world stage every other week.

Only naive people would think that countries are buying equipment with full honestly instead of a combination of product money and lobbying.

From Australia to European countries a lot of them are buying Korean arms due the quality and timely delivery of the product.

We can either buckle up or continue to moan

Thats why Govt need to include vacation in Goa clause in their marketing.

 

[Knowitall]

Thats why Govt need to include vacation in Goa clause in their marketing.

Nobody is interested in Goa it's a meh place overall.

What they need to include is a proper marketing campaign heavy lobbying and wiring money into the right accounts.

On the industrial side we need ramp up our production develop a reputation for timely and quality delivery and most of all actually use our own products in good numbers.

If our own airforce changes the squadron number for Tejas every few weeks why do we expect goodwill from other nations?

World market is a brutal market. You can protect domestic companies by imposing high tariffs etc but if you want to step on the international stage you need to properly prep up.

 

[jai jaganath]

Thats why Govt need to include vacation in Goa clause in their marketing.

What if the guy wanted to go Maldives
Apni apni freedom hai
I think all holiday options should be open

 

[silverghost]

Thats why Govt need to include vacation in Goa clause in their marketing.

Manohar Parrikar showed the way to deal with IAF. I am a little surprised that other defense ministers didn't take his cue. Rajnath's approach is to put items on the negative import list but he continues to mollycoddle IAF & is reluctant to force the issue. Also, he should provide the resources to ADA + HAL & read them the riot act if they slip the schedule or give excuses. We need a taskmaster as Defense Minister & Rajnath is not the man for the job. Modi should probably decide that like External affairs minister, the defense minister is a job for the specialist & not a politician.

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

Meh their marketing and industrial capacity is simply better.

We can bitch all we want buy IAF itself has fucked up Tejas beyond measure with them crying for rafale on the world stage every other week.

Only naive people would think that countries are buying equipment with full honestly instead of a combination of product money and lobbying.

From Australia to European countries a lot of them are buying Korean arms due the quality and timely delivery of the product.

We can either buckle up or continue to moan

Theres only 1 country in the world who will buy tejas and thats armenia.
We should give them mk1a on 0 intrest loan, and hope that when battle occurs it performs good.

This is the only way to get redemption for tejas.
We can also aquire their su30 and give some tejas for free

 

[silverghost]

Theres only 1 country in the world who will buy tejas and thats armenia.
We should give them mk1a on 0 intrest loan, and hope that when battle occurs it performs good.

This is the only way to get redemption for tejas.
We can also aquire their su30 and give some tejas for free

We need to give 83 Tejas Mk1A to IAF first. If the fighter jet performs there will be other takers. Nobody will risk buying a fighter jet that is undergoing preliminary testing.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

No bro requirement is of trainer not fighter
That's the problem
Everyone has requirement of trainer with limited fighting capabilities
No one has requirement of light fighters except Argentina
We don't have any trainer class aircraft to compete t-50
This is where porkies chinis and few dumb import loving Indians fall
That's why I even say Malaysian tender will also go to t-50 as their requirement is of trainer


I am not gaslighting

LoL, what utter Bullcrap, for a lower price if someone is getting a trainer aircraft with capabilities that rival 4.5 gen aircraft, anyone with some sense or even a pea sized brain will acquire that fighter jet which can do the job of a trainer and not simply a trainer.
Like @SilentlAssassin265 mentioned, all the bad press the LCA Tejas has accumulated due to IAF's attitude is hurting its export potential.

 

[jai jaganath]

LoL, what utter Bullcrap, for a lower price if someone is getting a trainer aircraft with capabilities that rival 4.5 gen aircraft, anyone with some sense or even a pea sized brain will acquire that fighter jet which can do the job of a trainer and not simply a trainer.
Like @SilentlAssassin265 mentioned, all the bad press the LCA Tejas has accumulated due to IAF's attitude is hurting its export potential.

Operating cost is the point
In trainer aircrafts u don't need advanced electronics or radars or sensors nor u have to maintain them
But that's not the case of fighter aircrafts so it has lesser maintainability
As far as I know even operating cost of trainers are far less than fighters
Then comes serviceability which is low in case of fighter than trainer due to above reasons

Moreover due to these issues new hlft is being made which will have all metal body with no composites no fbw and a complete new design and that will be the competitor of t-50 wrt maintainability and operating cost

 

[skdking]

Nobody is interested in Goa it's a meh place overall.

What they need to include is a proper marketing campaign heavy lobbying and wiring money into the right accounts.

On the industrial side we need ramp up our production develop a reputation for timely and quality delivery and most of all actually use our own products in good numbers.

If our own airforce changes the squadron number for Tejas every few weeks why do we expect goodwill from other nations?

World market is a brutal market. You can protect domestic companies by imposing high tariffs etc but if you want to step on the international stage you need to properly prep up.

Yeh bahotttt bura hua.

Chaudhary saab, the culpability of this neglect of LCA by foreign AFs lies on the door of Vayu Sena Bhawan. This will haunt you in times to come. Dekhna.

 

[Vamsi]

We are forever indebted to punya Manohar Parrikar ji

 

[Vamsi]

 

[TopWatcher]

This is what i talked about, how do we save the technology as we start exporting defense products.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

GE-414 military jet engines set to be manufactured in India

While the Narendra Modi government is tight-lipped about the entire project, HT learns that the GE-414 engine will be manufactured under terms that include 100% transfer of technology

www.hindustantimes.com

GE-414 military jet engines set to be manufactured in India

 

[vishnugupt]

GE-414 military jet engines set to be manufactured in India

While the Narendra Modi government is tight-lipped about the entire project, HT learns that the GE-414 engine will be manufactured under terms that include 100% transfer of technology

www.hindustantimes.com

GE-414 military jet engines set to be manufactured in India

From last 20 years, I have been hearing companies coming India and claiming 100% transfer of Technology for their best engine. And after hearing 100% ToT Indian start opening wide mouth to take that carrot but unfortunately everytime we get Lauda in mouth rather than engine (Carrot).



Moral of the story is, We Indian have to accept that we will never get sophisticated engine technology from overseas so better start our own efforts.

 

[johnj]

From last 20 years, I have been hearing companies coming India and claiming 100% transfer of Technology for their best engine. And after hearing 100% ToT Indian start opening wide mouth to take that carrot but unfortunately everytime we get Lauda in mouth rather than engine (Carrot).



Moral of the story is, We Indian have to accept that we will never get sophisticated engine technology from overseas so better start our own efforts.

100% tot doesn't mean 100% of the engine. but 100% of the agreement which is agreed one and half decade ago when lca mk2 enter initial stage of development.

 

[johnj]

GE-414 military jet engines set to be manufactured in India

While the Narendra Modi government is tight-lipped about the entire project, HT learns that the GE-414 engine will be manufactured under terms that include 100% transfer of technology

www.hindustantimes.com

GE-414 military jet engines set to be manufactured in India

GE trying their best to avoid sanctions when US once again giving importance to india. GE 414 is used in lca mk2 not in mk1 and GE need to manufacture 81 engine in India with HAL when mk2 enter mass production, but non need to manufacture ge404 engine which is used to power lcamk1/mk1a in india, but they established mro facility in india with HAL.
The article you posted comes under lca mk2.

 

[silverghost]

GE already has a presence in India. Why doesn't it add to it, create a new division and manufacture the engines instead of partnering with HAL? As in the past, all this ToT + partnership with a PSU will just make the engines prohibitively expensive.

 

[Javelin_Sam]

Haha ToT. Even the west's pampered Sweden's Volvo only got to repaint the RM-12(ge 404) where all critical parts directly coming from US. Somebody now ask Volvo to make an engine now and they will look here and there

 

[Flying Dagger]

If that was such a massive concern, no airforce would use single engined fighters. Americans are fielding F-35 B/C on their carriers. We want twin engines mainly for the T/W ratio for taking off without catapults.

They went for F-18 and not F-16 before that.

In sea operation due to multiple factors the life of an engine is less and the thrust is reduced too. In that scenario a twin engine configuration does help. We have suffered multiple engine failures in the past so IN concern is understood.

Americans are putting more faith in their new engine that they have developed but they will be still using F-18s for long. Also the thrust generated by F-35 engine is massive. They had a great experience with other GE engines while we had pretty rough one with Russian engines we use.

That is why , a twin engine configuration is preferred. Other factors are also involved. In short both the posts had valid points and that is why IN wants twin engine jet.

and we don't have a 200 kn + engine nor experience or plan to build one , buy one or make a fighter jet around it.