LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Flying Dagger]

No, comparing Tejas with Rafale and F-16 is definitely not their insult. Their is commonality in the core technologies -

Design - Unstable with Relaxed Static Stabiliy
Flight controls - Quadruplux Digital Fly by Wire
Make - Composite airframe, Tejas has highest in the world
Cockpit - Glass cockpit with 100% digital system
Avionics - League about IAF's existing fleet with some degree of sensor fusion, along with AESA radar and data link.
EW suite - Yes
Maintainability- Easy
Semi Stealth - Yes
Air to Air refuelling - Yes
g limits : +8.5G/-3.5G
Upcoming weapons package on the mk1A - Astra, Asraam, BrahMos, Rudram, HAMMER, etc...no words!

And all this is offered at 42mil$ which is 1/3rd the cost of Rafale FR3 or less than 1/2 the cost of the latest F-16 variants.

Coming to FA-50

Design concept - Stable
Flight controls - Triplex Fly by Wire
Make - All metal
Cockpit and Avionics - a pilot can access better . However no AESA, not even tested as of yet.
EW suite - Not tested
Maintainability - Many grounded.
Air to air refuelling - No
G limits -+8G/-3G
Semi Stealth - No
Upcoming weapons - AIM-120 (currently doesn even have BVR capability)

And after all that, both are similarly priced.

And since both are similarly priced, i can compare other basic features like -
Weapons carrying capacity, Range, Speed, Thrust to Weight Ratio, service ceiling, etc......Tejas triumphs in every department.
I mean FA-50 can carry just one 600 L drop tank under its belly. Tejas can carry 2 x 1200 and 1 x 700 L. Lol.

Rafale can carry more fuel externally and internally travel far more deploy more weapons and what not.

Stop this bs..

I have seen countless of these copy paste post .

 

[Dark Sorrow]

A dumb question: Can a MK1B be designed with 2x Dry Kaveri and conformal fuel tank for maritime training and backup fighter role?? The main area of concern, even if 50% payload deployment is achieved with LCA Navy, will be the range.

No. Designing a new jet will be simpler than the associated rework.

 

[rohit b3]

Rafale can carry more fuel externally and internally travel far more deploy more weapons and what not.

Stop this bs..

I have seen countless of these copy paste post .

yeah and thats why Rafale costs 3x to buy and 3x to operate.
you will keep reading this "copy paste" posts because those are factual specs and numbers. You call spade a spade, right? u dont say thats "copy paste"

 

[Flying Dagger]

yeah and thats why Rafale costs 3x to buy and 3x to operate.
you will keep reading this "copy paste" posts because those are factual specs and numbers. You call spade a spade, right? u dont say thats "copy paste"

 

[silverghost]

Delivery of the first jet 3 years from the date of the contract signature is the standard world over.
I didn't see members make a hue and cry about the delivery of the first Rafale in September 2019, a full 3 years after the contract was signed in September 2016.

India is not the only customer of Rafale. It delivered 25 Rafales in the year 2021.

Dassault Rafale Deliveries Nearly Double In 2021 | Aviation Week Network

Dassault Aviation delivered 25 Rafale fighters to export customers in 2021, compared to 13 in 2020.

aviationweek.com

 

[shankyz]

Tejas leading the pack.
Pic Courtesy : IAF Twitter

 

[Corvus Splendens]

 

[jai jaganath]

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Not that we have inferior platform but British components need both time time and money to replace so doesn't make sense for such small nos
Do our selection is not possible but giving a try is must

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

Not that we have inferior platform but British components need both time time and money to replace so doesn't make sense for such small nos
Do our selection is not possible but giving a try is must

Also china is buddy buddy with them

 

[Roland55]

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AFAIK, an argentine commission will be visiting HAL to properly evaluate the LCA in December.

 

[SKC]

AFAIK, an argentine commission will be visiting HAL to properly evaluate the LCA in December.

In this case, genuine Bribe de do inko!!
Goa mai free annual vacation with private villas!

 

[Photon]

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[abingdonboy]

The second half of 2024 is about two years from now. The whole thing is being done at such a languid pace. By 2024, China would have manufactured at least 100 J10 D.

Then you should have ordered more and earlier too.

why did IAF only go for 83 and that too after haggling over the price for 2+ years only to settle basically on the terms HAL had first proposed?

production quantity follows order quantity.

The first MK1A will be delivered within 36 months of contract signature (March 2021) and all 83 will be delivered within 5 years of the first delivery. This is perfectly in line with global norms.

IAF and GoI are fully to blame for this sh!tshow and this is only the first chapter. Their unrealistic demand for the 114 gold plated MRFA will have the same effect on the LCA MK.2- they are going to order too few of them very late in the day

 

[abingdonboy]

Delivery of the first jet 3 years from the date of the contract signature is the standard world over.
I didn't see members make a hue and cry about the delivery of the first Rafale in September 2019, a full 3 years after the contract was signed in September 2016.

The first Apaches were were actually delivered almost a year late (signed in 2015, delivered in 2019) to the IAF, I didn’t see a single criticism of this at the time or since but the LCA’s timelines get criticised nonstop

 

[Jambudweepa]

Tejas Mk1A to get Uttam FCR with Higher TRM than Originally Planned . That Alpha defence youtube channel was also claiming tejas mk1a will get Aesa with 912 tr modules .

 

[sakalasiva]

Tejas Mk1A to get Uttam FCR with Higher TRM than Originally Planned . That Alpha defence youtube channel was also claiming tejas mk1a will get Aesa with 912 tr modules .

Is radar became more power efficient, with the same power plant how come radar can able to work with higher tr modules than initially expected one with power limitations accounted. I really doubt this news.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Is radar became more power efficient, with the same power plant how come radar can able to work with higher tr modules than initially expected one with power limitations accounted. I really doubt this news.

The news is true.

 

[Steven Rogers]

Is radar became more power efficient, with the same power plant how come radar can able to work with higher tr modules than initially expected one with power limitations accounted. I really doubt this news.

Cooling system must ve improved over the one displayed in 2019(it is possible)....

 

[Defcon 1]

Then you should have ordered more and earlier too.

why did IAF only go for 83 and that too after haggling over the price for 2+ years only to settle basically on the terms HAL had first proposed?

production quantity follows order quantity.

The first MK1A will be delivered within 36 months of contract signature (March 2021) and all 83 will be delivered within 5 years of the first delivery. This is perfectly in line with global norms.

IAF and GoI are fully to blame for this sh!tshow and this is only the first chapter. Their unrealistic demand for the 114 gold plated MRFA will have the same effect on the LCA MK.2- they are going to order too few of them very late in the day

You forget that 2+ years of delay was not just because of price, but because HAL's response to RFP was non compliant as well:

HAL’s 83 LCA Tejas proposal non-compliant with tender requirements, IAF to take matter to Defence Ministry

New Delhi [India], Jan 28 (ANI): In the already long-delayed Light Combat Aircraft Tejas fighter programme, the HAL proposal for supplying 83 jets to the Air Force has been repeatedly found non-compliant with its requirements and the matter would now be taken to the Defence Ministry for deciding...

www.aninews.in

I think the core problem is lack of a single owner. We should have a Tejas CEO, a high ranking beaurucrat within MOD whose job is to ensure Tejas's timely induction into IAF