LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

Arjun Mk1A

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Hey Man. Got the MK2 Tejas T-Shirt. Quality was good and the imprint also same what they are advertising.

Only thing is Price is bit on higher side. 600 will be fine but 899 is pretty high for this shirt.
 

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Then you should have ordered more and earlier too.

why did IAF only go for 83 and that too after haggling over the price for 2+ years only to settle basically on the terms HAL had first proposed?

production quantity follows order quantity.

The first MK1A will be delivered within 36 months of contract signature (March 2021) and all 83 will be delivered within 5 years of the first delivery. This is perfectly in line with global norms.

IAF and GoI are fully to blame for this sh!tshow and this is only the first chapter. Their unrealistic demand for the 114 gold plated MRFA will have the same effect on the LCA MK.2- they are going to order too few of them very late in the day
Actually it's the number of mk1a which have cut down mk2 numbers..

IAF wanted mk2 in the first place but mk1a is just to support production and streamline everything which is being setup.
 

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You forget that 2+ years of delay was not just because of price, but because HAL's response to RFP was non compliant as well:


I think the core problem is lack of a single owner. We should have a Tejas CEO, a high ranking beaurucrat within MOD whose job is to ensure Tejas's timely induction into IAF
Had the appointed a consultant (fancy name for a middleman), this would have been completed.
 

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Can people use HAL brand name, LCA, LCH on tshirts and other merchandise without consent/paying royalty?
Good question, though HAL will probably never bother. In India people do this stuff plenty, no one selling Mickey Mouse school bags ever paid a rupee to disney.

Names like LCH etc I doubt will be a problem, unless HAL has trademarked the name? Unlikely IMO. Though using HAL name can be a problem,
 

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Good question, though HAL will probably never bother. In India people do this stuff plenty, no one selling Mickey Mouse school bags ever paid a rupee to disney.

Names like LCH etc I doubt will be a problem, unless HAL has trademarked the name? Unlikely IMO. Though using HAL name can be a problem,
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Agree but every once in a while, companies crack the whip and an unsuspecting vendor/supplier gets whipped across his face.

An acquaintance designer was in the business of selling printed Marvel t-shirts online without taking their consent or paying them any royalty.

The designs were his own creations so he thought it was OK and thus made a decent sum of money till Marvel got wind of it and sent him a legal notice demanding lakhs of rupees in royalty, penalties and a contract with Marvel if he wished to continue using their 'super-heroes'.

While they took pity on him and let him off with a warning, the poor guy was stuck with more than 4000 cotton t-shirts with prints of Marvel. They didn't allow him to sell it to the public or give it away for free. He managed to discard a few hundred tees on the sly but was stuck with most of the stock throughout the pandemic period and eventually dumped them in some landfill.

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9 Para SF et al.. these are fine in a unit canteen but on a public website... I don't know. Could easily open the flood gates. Someone sporting a smart polo with 9 para SF embroidered across the chest could pull off a convincing act.. not that there's any paucity of impostors as of today.
 

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Typical they do it everywhere near any defence installation , camp etc in Jammu Kashmir too.

There won't be a single without. MAajaar or mosque attached to it which will grow multiple fold in size once it comes up.
They have built on all the strategic points in every city. All are sleeping. MI. IB. Local Intelligence.
 

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According to recent media reports India has invited Egyptian President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi a military General turned politician as Chief Guest for the 2023 Republic Day parade, this would be the first time an Egyptian President would be the chief guest at India's Republic Day Parade.

New Delhi has extended this invitation to Cairo as it wishes to expand upon Indo-Egyptian economic and defense ties and is exploring a sale of 70 Tejas Mk1A Light Combat Aircraft to Cairo as the latter is looking for a replacement for its aging fleet of Mirage F5s with a focus on local manufacturing and technology transfer and the Republic day parade would be a great opportunity for the Indian military-industrial complex to showcase its abilities in front of the Egyptian leader.

Tejas Mk1A is a single-engine tailless compound delta wing light multi-role fighter designed by the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) intended as a replacement for India's aging fleet of Mig-21s.
It has a Length of 13.2 m, a Wingspan of 8.2 m, and a Height of 4.4 m with an empty weight of 6560 kg and a maximum takeoff weight of 13500 kg.
Powered by a single General Electric F404-GE-IN20 afterburning turbofan Engine it can fly at a maximum speed of Mach 1.6 and can carry a total weight of 5300 kg on its 8 external hard points and with an internal fuel capacity of 2500 kg, it has an effective combat range of nearly 750 km.

Cairo has tried to diversify its portfolio of aircraft to prevent its air force from being rendered useless in case it ever gets hit by western sanctions. This sentiment has only grown stronger after the partial arms embargo imposed by the EU and USA after the 2013 coup.
It is for this reason that EAF is so adamant about an aircraft with no strings attached, local manufacturing, and some degree of technology transfer so that its aircraft can keep on flying even in the heat of the sanctions
The Egyptian Air force operates a mix of American, French, soviet, and Chinese aircraft, Indian HAL Tejas Mk1A will add an extra layer of depth to this diverse mix bag of aircraft.
The Indian offer seems to fulfill all these conditions as the Tejas manufacturer Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has offered to establish a production line and some degree of ToT along with a repair and overhaul facility if it wins the deal.
India's no strings attached policy regarding its weapons usage along with the diverse set of weapons package Tejas can fire such as the Soviet R73, R77, KH59, KH35 French MICA, AASM American GBUs, and Indian Astra 1/2/3, SAAW, Bramhos (world's fastest supersonic cruise missile), Rudram 1/2/3, etc makes Tejas even more attractive as EAF already operates many of these weapons.

However, it's not all sunshine and roses for Tejas either. Tejas has a fairly high amount of imported subsystems present in it, 25% to be exact most notable of which are the Israeli Elta EL/M 2052 AESA Radar, DASH Helmet Mounted Display, British Martin Baker Mk16 Ejection seats, and American General Electric F404-GE-IN20 afterburning turbofan engine, presence of these imported subsystems makes it susceptible to western sanctions, also given the tense relations between Egypt and Israel a deal with Israeli subsystems present on Tejas is highly unlikely, However, it should be noted that HAL is trying to replace these imported subsystems with homegrown alternatives such as the Uttam AESA radar to replace the current Israeli Elta EL/M 2052 AESA Radar, etc.
Other imported subsystems such as the Martin Baker Ejection seats, and General Electric F404-GE-IN20 afterburning turbofan engine shouldn't be too much of a problem since EAF already operates a large number of them making logistics easier, furthermore such strict western sanctions are highly unlikely in the recent future.
The reluctance shown by the IAF in inducting Tejas in its early days and its low order amount gives Tejas a bad rep.

The Main competitor against the Tejas would be the Korean FA-50 a light combat aircraft developed by Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) and Lockheed Martin an American aerospace giant
Technologically speaking both the Tejas and the FA-50 are quite similar and even face the same difficulties in this competition for example both have a high amount of imported subsystems, however, FA-50 has more imported subsystems than the Tejas such as Israeli Radar, EW suite, helmet mounted display American Engine, avionics, weapons, etc.
Apart from that unlike Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) is unwilling to offer local manufacturing or any useful amount of technology transfer.
However, one field FA-50 excels in comparison to Tejas is its high export success because as of right now at least 5 countries are using the FA-50 whereas Tejas is only used by India
 

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