LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[abingdonboy]

The FCS was written for F16. Not Tejas...

Moreover I am pretty sure, the Americans have a lot more knowledge and experience in doing FCS. Add to that war data coming in from their pilots.
Ditto goes for their EW systems.

That’s not what they said. They tested the LCA’s CLAW on a F16 test bed in the early days of the program, that’s it.

 

[Super Flanker]

Some Youtube channels are saying Bangladesh may go for 45 Tejas MK1A with local assembly.
I don't know their source of information.

What I know,
1. Bangladesh is looking at two stage procurement 1. MRCA and 2. Single Engine Light Fighters.
MRCA is a twin engine fighter. ( About 16 in number)
Single Engine fighter to replace the Chinese F7/ F7BGI ( 3 Squadron)

2. PM Sheikh Hasina has said that she wishes that Bangladesh produces ( read assembles) it's own fighter jet. [1]

3. A aeronautical unit ( possibly) for assembly was to be opened in Bangladesh [2].


[1]https://www.thedailystar.net/city/hasina-hopes-bangladesh-will-build-fighter-jets-88522
[2]http://m.theindependentbd.com//post/222040


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So, my assessment is the following. It wouldn't be prudent for going for local assembly for 16 MRCA.
If local assembly is planned, it is for F7/F7BGI replacement.
BAF chief after his sortie in LCA Tejas also spoke that, they may consider Tejas as a contender for F7 replacement.
But, I don't think they are in any hurry, they want MRCA first. In any case, I don't expect any announcement before next year's air show in Dhaka as any announcement prior to the event will affect the participation in the air show.

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As Bangladesh is traditionally a Chinese platform buyer in Defence sector, one would expect Chinese platform to be selected. But, these days, some fine underground rifts may be present between Dhaka and Beijing.
Also, JF17 is not participating in the next year air-show. So, it can be ruled out. That leaves only the J-10 as the Chinese platform. ( For F7 replacement).

On things favouring Tejas.
1. India has extended $500 million defence line of credit and can extend more if needed.
2. As Tejas mk1A isn't available today and would take 3 years to develop Indian version and further more 1-2 years for Bangladeshi version ( changing the Israeli parts). The intervening time can be used for building the assembly line in Bangladesh. And thus no loss or diversion in production capacity in India for IAF and other smaller orders.
3. Bangladesh too wants MRCA first, so wouldn't be bothered about the intervening time as long as local assembly is promised.
3. If Tejas line is created in Bangladesh, in future, MWF too may get assembled in Bangladesh.

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I personally am not getting my hopes high for Tejas sale to Bangladesh. But can't reject the Idea either.

Selling a Fighter like Tejas to a country like Bangladesh will be a Big mistake because in the near Future, Bangladesh Airforce might use Tejas Against India.

Also what About JF-17 Thunder for Bangladesh? Bangladesh relationship with China are very good right? JF-17 block 3 seems to be a very good option for country like Bangladesh. But one hindrance to JF-17 is Myanmar. Myanmar Airforce already Operates JF-17s so I don't think so Bangladesh will buy it too. It is a mystery to me as to what exactly is Bangladesh's Requirements for a light Combat Fighter.

Unfortunately I see absolutelely no chance of Bangladesh buying Tejas in the near future.

 

[THESIS THORON]

Selling a Fighter like Tejas to a country like Bangladesh will be a Big mistake because in the near Future, Bangladesh Airforce might use Tejas Against India.

Also what About JF-17 Thunder for Bangladesh? Bangladesh relationship with China are very good right? JF-17 block 3 seems to be a very good option for country like Bangladesh. But one hindrance to JF-17 is Myanmar. Myanmar Airforce already Operates JF-17s so I don't think so Bangladesh will buy it too. It is a mystery to me as to what exactly is Bangladesh's Requirements for a light Combat Fighter.

Unfortunately I see absolutelely no chance of Bangladesh buying Tejas in the near future.

bruh, just gibe them downgraded version of uttam and ew suit.

 

[Super Flanker]

Guys I was going through Twitter and I had some Doubts in my mind with regards to Tejas Export. Is there a possibility that we could Export Tejas to Armenia. Like what are the Potentials.

 

[Super Flanker]

Not to forget R-Darter and PL-15E.

Oh yeah right about that. I forgot about PL-15E and R-Darter as i missed your post but only JF-17 of block 3 standards will be able to carry PL-15.

bruh, just gibe them downgraded version of uttam and ew suit.

Why UTTAM Aesa Radar? Why not Israeli Radar or something like that?

We could offer Bangladesh a simple Package of Israeli Radar/UTTAM and Elta-2022 Jammers.

Any other suggestions?

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Oh yeah right about that. I forgot about PL-15E and R-Darter as i missed your post but only JF-17 of block 3 standards will be able to carry PL-15.

Why UTTAM Aesa Radar? Why not Israeli Radar or something like that?

We could offer Bangladesh a simple Package of Israeli Radar/UTTAM and Elta-2022 Jammers.

Any other suggestions?

Do check out Israel-Bangladesh relations before making such guesses.

 

[Super Flanker]

Do check out Israel-Bangladesh relations before making such guesses.

Okay than what are your suggestions for a Package which can be Offered to Bangladesh or any other client?(I am not really sure if Bangladesh will buy Tejas)

but let's assume that Bangladesh is really interested in Tejas so what can we offer them?

 

[Haldilal]

There was a news of making Desi Al31 called ganga. 1200+ TR module AESA is planned for Mkisuper sukhoi.

Ya'll Nibbiars yeh news Maine hei spared kiye thi with the help of the @fire starter Nibba. Aur bhaut Maaza aya tha.

 

[MonaLazy]

FCS for F16 would have been developed based on already existing infrastructure

Right from the Wright brothers themselves. They recognized that the frustrating search for inherent stability that had obsessed their forerunners might well be abandoned if only the pilot were provided with sufficiently powerful controls with which to balance and steer—in a more modern context, that the human pilot, operating on feedback signals, could use the controls to stabilize a neutrally stable or even an inherently unstable aircraft.

the whole paper is an interesting read..

https://www.acgsc.org/history/A%20Flight%20Control%20Century%20Triumphs%20of%20the%20Systems%20Approach.pdf

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars @HariPrasad-1 Nibba.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Okay than what are your suggestions for a Package which can be Offered to Bangladesh or any other client?(I am not really sure if Bangladesh will buy Tejas)

but let's assume that Bangladesh is really interested in Tejas so what can we offer them?

Whatever is being offered to Malaysia, you are over-estimating the threat of Bangladesh, stop living in this world of fear mongering and get a grip on international relations. Obviously an export variant of of the radar and EW suite, which is relatively less potent than the IAF one, but still suitable for their needs, so that spares and support can be withrawn if ever a situation arises as you believe. If other international systems or components are available, they can buy those components off the shelf and replace it themselves.

 

[Super Flanker]

Whatever is being offered to Malaysia, you are over-estimating the threat of Bangladesh, stop living in this world of fear mongering and get a grip on international relations. Obviously an export variant of of the radar and EW suite, which is relatively less potent but still good enough so that spares and support can be withrawn if ever a situation arises as you believe. If other international systems or components are available, they can buy those components off the shelf and replace it themselves.

Thank you @Aditya Ballal .

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Ya'll Nibbiars @HariPrasad-1 Nibba.

Anyway, I heared that 72.5 kn dry and 110 kn Afterburner is in msking which will allow a scope of 130 kn Afterburner upgrade.

 

[Haldilal]

Anyway, I heared that 72.5 kn dry and 110 kn Afterburner is in msking which will allow a scope of 130 kn Afterburner upgrade.

Ya'll Nibbiars yeah from the Base AMCA Engines.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Ya'll Nibbiars yeah from the Base AMCA Engines.

72.5/110 is confirmed by DRDO.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Okay than what are your suggestions for a Package which can be Offered to Bangladesh or any other client?(I am not really sure if Bangladesh will buy Tejas)

but let's assume that Bangladesh is really interested in Tejas so what can we offer them?

If Bangladesh is interested in Tejas we should offer them complete full capability.
Currently getting international customers is more important for Indian defense industry.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Obviously an export variant of of the radar and EW suite, which is relatively less potent than the IAF one,

Then no country will Tejas from us. We are neither US or PRC to detect terms to their clients.
Would we accept strip down version of Rafale? Then how can you expect someone will accept strip down version of Tejas if better alternative are available?

 

[Super Flanker]

If Bangladesh is interested in Tejas we should offer them complete full capability.
Currently getting international customers is more important for Indian defense industry.

Full Capability? In the sense? I know one thing though that Bangladesh has good Relations with Russia so We can offer Tejas with Russian Missiles like R-73 as WVR Missiles.

Also can Tejas Carry Kh-35 and Kh-59MK? These two missiles can be offered as Anti-Ship Missile Package and Astra MK-1 can be offered as BVR(No Derby because Bangladesh will probably not be willing to buy because of Israel-Bangladesh relations) Please tell me because the Weopon package is a mystery to me.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Why UTTAM Aesa Radar? Why not Israeli Radar or something like that?

Israeli Radar will be expensive, using Uttam AESA Radar will be economical. With Uttam AESA Radar we can offer better integration of sub-systems and EW suite. Offer Indian weapons. Boost Indian defense R&D and production.
The list of advantage are enormous compared to the fear mongering that Bangladesh will back-stab us.

We could offer Bangladesh a simple Package of Israeli Radar/UTTAM and Elta-2022 Jammers.

Any other suggestions?

We should offer our entire indigenous package. This will help keep cost down and will have less logistic issues. We and client will have to deal with less sub-vendors. It will also give boost to our domestic defense industry (both R&D and production) and we shall have some marketing regarding our products and improve the confidence of Indian manufactured defense equipment world-wide.

 

[Roland55]

Okay than what are your suggestions for a Package which can be Offered to Bangladesh or any other client?(I am not really sure if Bangladesh will buy Tejas)

but let's assume that Bangladesh is really interested in Tejas so what can we offer them?

For what ive seen in the ADA brochure, i wouldnt be suprised that in the upcoming years, they could offer almost everything (armament, simulators, ground equipment, etc).