LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Varun2002]

. There have also been successes in radar, sonar. EW, artillery, pilotless target aircraft( Lakshya) and several others. It's not all 'failure' and delay.

I shouldn't have neglected to mention one of the real major successes of DRDO- missiles. Agni 1,2,3, Prithvi 1,2,3 Akash, all deployed. Plus totally successful tests of Agni-4 and Agni-5, plus ASAT test.

 

[LondonParisTokyo]

Yeah yeah, India should only buy imported weaponry, not dare to produce its own.British colonial mentality. Of course, India's going to take longer to produce those things, it doesn't have the experience or infrastructure the western countries and Russia have. There have also been successes in radar, sonar. EW, artillery, pilotless target aircraft( Lakshya) and several others. It's not all 'failure' and delay.

HAL Marut was indigenously developed in the '60s. Then derailed and Mig21 bought instead. Arjun tank saga, same story. It's sad.

 

[Varun2002]

And.. it should therefore abandon all indigenous development of weapons. So other countries can make huge profits off India. Arjun is in production, by all reports, and is quite well regarded.

 

[IndianHawk]

HAL Marut was indigenously developed in the '60s. Then derailed and Mig21 bought instead. Arjun tank saga, same story. It's sad.

It was Jaguar which replaced marut.

 

[airtel]

Bootlickers galore in this topic. Very sad to see. Please tell me which public industry besides ISRO has successfully produced anything?

Here is a dedicated thread for you ... check few pages

DRDO, PSU and Private Defence Sector News

Found this in a OFB annual report. what is HEEB Ammunition? High Explosive Extended-Range Base-Bleed.

defenceforumindia.com

 

[Wisemarko]

Opportunity for LCA- trainer??

US Air Force considers leasing trainer jets that lost the T-X competition
Valerie Insinna

WASHINGTON — The U.S. Air Force wants to lease advanced trainers as early as next summer while it waits for Boeing’s T-7 Red Hawk, creating an opportunity for the two training jets that lost out to the Red Hawk during the T-X competition.

The Air Force intends to open a competition for trainer jets that would help it test out a new training concept called “Rebuilding the Forge,” or “Reforge,” said Air Combat Command head Gen. Mike Holmes on June 22. The concept is meant to speed up the time it takes to produce an experienced pilot.

The service initially intended to lease T-50 jets — originally made by Korea Aerospace Industries — from Hillwood Aviation, according to a sources-sought solicitation released in January. But since then, other companies have expressed a desire to bid on the opportunity, called RFX, and Holmes confirmed that the Air Force plans to allow outside firms to propose alternative options.

“In our initial market research, there was some thought that there might be only one airplane there was going to be bid against it. But as we did more market research, we found out that there were multiple people that wanted to bid, and they were going to bid with a couple of different airplanes at least,” Holmes told reporters during an event hosted by the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies.

“Certainly competition is in our interest, so we want to have that competition to see who can come in and at an affordable cost. And frankly, our budgets are tight,” he added.
The goal of Reforge, Holmes said, is to produce experienced fighter pilots without having to put operators through the “basic course” currently required by any student who has never flown a fighter.

“We proposed to lease some airplanes while we’re waiting on the T-7 to arrive and do some experiments along with AETC [Air Education and Training Command] to try to figure out what’s the best use of this new T-7 that we’re going to buy,” Holmes said. “We think taking advantage of the capabilities of that new trainer along with the [virtual] training systems that AETC has previewed and premiered give us a great opportunity to meet the requirements of the [pilot] shortage that we have in the fastest, best way.”

Holmes added that if no single company comes in with an affordable proposal, the Air Force may back away from the leasing idea.
The service is still refining the specifics of its leasing strategy, but Holmes said the hope is to lease upward of 11 planes starting in the summer of 2021. The original solicitation stated that it could lease anywhere from four to eight trainers to provide approximately 4,500 flight hours annually for about five years.

Opening up RFX could make way for the third entrant in the T-X competition — Italian defense company Leonardo’s M346 Master — to butt heads against the T-50 once again.

In March, Texas-based aviation company Mission Support Systems told Aviation Week that it hoped to propose a version of the M-346 that would, within a year, be integrated with a radar from Leonardo’s GRIFO radar series. However, Air Combat Command expressed a preference for the T-50, which already is equipped with a radar.
If the Reforge concept proves successful, the Air Force may find itself with a requirement in excess of the 351 jets that are planned to be procured in the T-7 Red Hawk program of record. Those T-7s may have different specifications than the Red Hawks used for undergraduate pilot training and could end up becoming a separate variant of the aircraft, Air Force Magazine reported.

Holmes said that while the T-7 is “a great airplane,” it’s possible for Boeing and its partner, Swedish defense firm Saab, to accelerate the program quickly enough to use the Red Hawk for the Reforge proof of concept.

“It’s several years away from us getting their hands on it,” he said. “Boeing and Saab are working through the shift from their prototypes to the operational airplane. They will tell you that they were pretty darn close in their prototypes to an operational airplane. … I agree, but it still takes some time to work through the issues and turn that into an operational platform.

 

[rohit b3]

Opportunity for LCA- trainer??

US Air Force considers leasing trainer jets that lost the T-X competition
Valerie Insinna

WASHINGTON — The U.S. Air Force wants to lease advanced trainers as early as next summer while it waits for Boeing’s T-7 Red Hawk, creating an opportunity for the two training jets that lost out to the Red Hawk during the T-X competition.

The Air Force intends to open a competition for trainer jets that would help it test out a new training concept called “Rebuilding the Forge,” or “Reforge,” said Air Combat Command head Gen. Mike Holmes on June 22. The concept is meant to speed up the time it takes to produce an experienced pilot.

The service initially intended to lease T-50 jets — originally made by Korea Aerospace Industries — from Hillwood Aviation, according to a sources-sought solicitation released in January. But since then, other companies have expressed a desire to bid on the opportunity, called RFX, and Holmes confirmed that the Air Force plans to allow outside firms to propose alternative options.

“In our initial market research, there was some thought that there might be only one airplane there was going to be bid against it. But as we did more market research, we found out that there were multiple people that wanted to bid, and they were going to bid with a couple of different airplanes at least,” Holmes told reporters during an event hosted by the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies.

“Certainly competition is in our interest, so we want to have that competition to see who can come in and at an affordable cost. And frankly, our budgets are tight,” he added.
The goal of Reforge, Holmes said, is to produce experienced fighter pilots without having to put operators through the “basic course” currently required by any student who has never flown a fighter.

“We proposed to lease some airplanes while we’re waiting on the T-7 to arrive and do some experiments along with AETC [Air Education and Training Command] to try to figure out what’s the best use of this new T-7 that we’re going to buy,” Holmes said. “We think taking advantage of the capabilities of that new trainer along with the [virtual] training systems that AETC has previewed and premiered give us a great opportunity to meet the requirements of the [pilot] shortage that we have in the fastest, best way.”

Holmes added that if no single company comes in with an affordable proposal, the Air Force may back away from the leasing idea.
The service is still refining the specifics of its leasing strategy, but Holmes said the hope is to lease upward of 11 planes starting in the summer of 2021. The original solicitation stated that it could lease anywhere from four to eight trainers to provide approximately 4,500 flight hours annually for about five years.

Opening up RFX could make way for the third entrant in the T-X competition — Italian defense company Leonardo’s M346 Master — to butt heads against the T-50 once again.

In March, Texas-based aviation company Mission Support Systems told Aviation Week that it hoped to propose a version of the M-346 that would, within a year, be integrated with a radar from Leonardo’s GRIFO radar series. However, Air Combat Command expressed a preference for the T-50, which already is equipped with a radar.
If the Reforge concept proves successful, the Air Force may find itself with a requirement in excess of the 351 jets that are planned to be procured in the T-7 Red Hawk program of record. Those T-7s may have different specifications than the Red Hawks used for undergraduate pilot training and could end up becoming a separate variant of the aircraft, Air Force Magazine reported.

Holmes said that while the T-7 is “a great airplane,” it’s possible for Boeing and its partner, Swedish defense firm Saab, to accelerate the program quickly enough to use the Red Hawk for the Reforge proof of concept.

“It’s several years away from us getting their hands on it,” he said. “Boeing and Saab are working through the shift from their prototypes to the operational airplane. They will tell you that they were pretty darn close in their prototypes to an operational airplane. … I agree, but it still takes some time to work through the issues and turn that into an operational platform.

I knew there was an opportunity when their Airchief flew on LCA. But HAL's marketing team is so laid back, or i believe they dont have a marketing team at all, so wont happen.

 

[janme]

December end meaning minimum mid next year. Also notice the word "expecting" meaning even that is not confirmed yet.

 

[Tuco]

December end meaning minimum mid next year. Also notice the word "expecting" meaning even that is not confirmed yet.

So we may not see first Mk1A until 2025 and they are promising MK2 to start testing by 2024?

 

[Flying Dagger]

HAL Marut was indigenously developed in the '60s. Then derailed and Mig21 bought instead. Arjun tank saga, same story. It's sad.

Marut had nothing to do with Mig 21 Both had different roles.
Due to want of engine it never reached its potential as a fighter bomber later we bought Jaguar and then multirole Mirage 2000.

 

[Flying Dagger]

So we may not see first Mk1A until 2025 and they are promising MK2 to start testing by 2024?

Mk1a is on its schedule whenever it is signed won't affect this project.

From 2023 onwards it will be under serial production.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Second line for manufacturing already build if we get the order we can build 16-20 aircraft per year.

 

[Akula]

I knew there was an opportunity when their Airchief flew on LCA. But HAL's marketing team is so laid back, or i believe they dont have a marketing team at all, so wont happen.

I read somewhere that the trainers were developed keeping cost in mind.

 

[Suryavanshi]

December end meaning minimum mid next year. Also notice the word "expecting" meaning even that is not confirmed yet.

Kich chiz ka intezar he?

 

[Flying Dagger]

Second line for manufacturing already build if we get the order we can build 16-20 aircraft per year.

He can build 100 but I have serious concern abt the quality control at HAL let them slowly build up the number else we may found ourselves with Tejas crashing here and there...

We may take help of Dassault to monitor and help them in production of Tejas quality check procedures etc since make in India made in india etc stuff for Rafale seems a long way ahead for now.

 

[Flying Dagger]

I knew there was an opportunity when their Airchief flew on LCA. But HAL's marketing team is so laid back, or i believe they dont have a marketing team at all, so wont happen.

Actually they do have propaganda team but somewhere they also knew and doubt their capability.

To enter into export first they need to buildup a decent production line with good quality control measures else in international level their mischievous acts won't be tolerated specially if it's USA.

 

[Sridhar_TN]

Bootlickers galore in this topic. Very sad to see. Please tell me which public industry besides ISRO has successfully produced anything? GTRE? Failed (Kaveri). HAL? Failed (Tejas, 40 years. LCH (20 years)). Countless more.

Bhel, drdo, bel....

 

[Suryavanshi]

Actually they do have propaganda team but somewhere they also knew and doubt their capability.

To enter into export first they need to buildup a decent production line with good quality control measures else in international level their mischievous acts won't be tolerated specially if it's USA.

And no strikes as well.
Say Vietnam places an order to be delivered in 2 years, even if it takes a month to two more than it will negatively affect HALs image.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Bootlickers galore in this topic. Very sad to see. Please tell me which public industry besides ISRO has successfully produced anything? GTRE? Failed (Kaveri). HAL? Failed (Tejas, 40 years. LCH (20 years)). Countless more.

HAL isn't responsible for Tejas delay ADA is. But yes HAL has disappointed in various other projects like trainers etc.

 

[Suryavanshi]

What a comapny needs to be a global aerospace contender.
-Quality first and foremost
-Production Rate
-Spare parts supply
-Upgrade Option
-Techical experts to fix any issue