LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[patriots]

From local or foreign vendors?

Local.......... vendor..........................................

 

[Akula]

Local.......... vendor..........................................

Right now MRF supplies tyres for Su-30mki. They have also developed tyres for Tejas and Mig-29K. Maybe they are working for Tejas mk2.

 

[Super lca]

Right now MRF supplies tyres for Su-30mki. They have also developed tyres for Tejas and Mig-29K. Maybe they are working for Tejas mk2.

What about the landing gear?will it be indegenous?

 

[IndianHawk]

 

[LondonParisTokyo]

Jesus. I wonder how quickly LCA would have arrived had HAL been privitazed when Parrikar (Om Shanti) was still alive. This monstrosity of decision making with nobody taking responsibility needs to end ASAP

 

[IndianHawk]

Jesus. I wonder how quickly LCA would have arrived had HAL been privitazed when Parrikar (Om Shanti) was still alive. This monstrosity of decision making with nobody taking responsibility needs to end ASAP

They won't come quickly because the order size was too low. Private sector won't even invest in infrastructure for such a small order in the first place or would demand way more money.

If you want quick delivery you need to order big numbers and pay in advance for infrastructure buildup.

BTW Hal is now capable of building 16 lca + 12 su30mki per year. That's on par with building capability of dassult and much bigger than Saab.

 

[aerokan]

Jesus. I wonder how quickly LCA would have arrived had HAL been privitazed when Parrikar (Om Shanti) was still alive. This monstrosity of decision making with nobody taking responsibility needs to end ASAP

Being lazy govt organization.. HAL would take a lengthy 3 years AFTER signing of contract by IAF/MOD.
If it had been privatized, we would get it really fast in 36 months AFTER signing the contract.

 

[patriots]

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[IndianHawk]

So I was looking at price comparison for lca and rafale since data for both is now known.

We got 36 rafale all inclusive ( spare / infra/ Indian specifics / weaponry) for 7.8 billion euro which is 8.7 billion usd.
So 36 rafale for 8.7 billion usd = 243 million per jet.

Lca mk1a is just 5.2 billion usd for 83 == 62.6 million per jet ( including infra spare weaponry).

Earlier 40 mk1 came for 1.25 billion usd == 31.25 million per jet only.

It may take 1 billion more to upgrade 40 mk1 to mk1a with aesa . ( Mig29 upg deal was 900 million for 66 jets. Aesa will cost more but no payment to Russia in case of mk1 to mk1a. Also less numbers only 40).

Adding all up we will have 123 mk1a for 7.25 billion usd all in.

So for the cost of 36 rafale ( 8.7 billion usd ) you can get 150 mk1a.

150mk1a armed with 2052 or uttam aesa radar and derby ER / Astra and Astra mk2 later sfdr are very very potent firepower.

 

[Neil]

BTW Hal is now capable of building 16 lca + 12 su30mki per year. That's on par with building capability of dassult and much bigger than Saab.

HAL needs to seriously consider building a second line for LCA. The su30 line though will sit ideal for a few years but cannot convert it into LCA line since su30 upgrade will come online in few years.

But second line for lca makes economic sense as well. Faster delivery of 83 LCA, plus upgrades for 40 Mk1 and by the time these commitments are delivered, MWF will need production.

 

[IndianHawk]

HAL needs to seriously consider building a second line for LCA. The su30 line though will sit ideal for a few years but cannot convert it into LCA line since su30 upgrade will come online in few years.

But second line for lca makes economic sense as well. Faster delivery of 83 LCA, plus upgrades for 40 Mk1 and by the time these commitments are delivered, MWF will need production.

That will cost money and then price of lca will increase. Lca line will keep humming with mk1a from 2023-27 till mwf comes alone. If you deliver 83 actually 73 mk1a any faster then lca line will be idle before mwf.

Now if iaf orders more mk1a and more mk1 them your suggestion makes sense.

 

[janme]

What about the landing gear?will it be indegenous?

Yes, Landing gear of Tejas was designed and developed with the help of HAL, so naturally for tejas mk2 also it will be indigenously developed.

 

[aerokan]

HAL needs to seriously consider building a second line for LCA. The su30 line though will sit ideal for a few years but cannot convert it into LCA line since su30 upgrade will come online in few years.

But second line for lca makes economic sense as well. Faster delivery of 83 LCA, plus upgrades for 40 Mk1 and by the time these commitments are delivered, MWF will need production.

We already have 2 lines planned for production for MK1A.
Actually third line is also being planned right now. 5+8+8 MK1A per year to finish deliveries by 2027

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

HAL needs to seriously consider building a second line for LCA. The su30 line though will sit ideal for a few years but cannot convert it into LCA line since su30 upgrade will come online in few years.

But second line for lca makes economic sense as well. Faster delivery of 83 LCA, plus upgrades for 40 Mk1 and by the time these commitments are delivered, MWF will need production.

HAL is already operating 2 assembly lines for LCA Tejas, one is the LCA division in Banglore which can make 8 aircraft/year and the other which is the older Kiran assembly line which can make 4 aircraft/year.
Currently, as the order for LCA is only 40, both these assembly lines are not operating at full capacity.
The LCA division is making 5 Tejas/year and older Kiran assembly line is making 3 Tejas/year.
In November 2020, HAL will inaugurate a 3rd assembly line which will initially make the 18 trainer aircraft( 8 Mk1 + 10 Mk1A) at a rate of around 8 aircraft/year.
All in all, at full capacity, all 3 assembly lines are capable of making 20 aircraft/year but HAL would need large scale orders for that.

 

[Tang]

They won't come quickly because the order size was too low. Private sector won't even invest in infrastructure for such a small order in the first place or would demand way more money.

If you want quick delivery you need to order big numbers and pay in advance for infrastructure buildup.

BTW Hal is now capable of building 16 lca + 12 su30mki per year. That's on par with building capability of dassult and much bigger than Saab.

Just for the info:- The private sector is heavily invested in LCA program -> HAL is now just an integrator

 

[Super lca]

Just for the info:- The private sector is heavily invested in LCA program -> HAL is now just an integrator

Better for HAL

 

[LondonParisTokyo]

They won't come quickly because the order size was too low. Private sector won't even invest in infrastructure for such a small order in the first place or would demand way more money.

If you want quick delivery you need to order big numbers and pay in advance for infrastructure buildup.

BTW Hal is now capable of building 16 lca + 12 su30mki per year. That's on par with building capability of dassult and much bigger than Saab.

HAL is a **** organization. It needs to be broken up and privitazed ASAP. It is the absolute need of the hour.

 

[LondonParisTokyo]

So I was looking at price comparison for lca and rafale since data for both is now known.

We got 36 rafale all inclusive ( spare / infra/ Indian specifics / weaponry) for 7.8 billion euro which is 8.7 billion usd.
So 36 rafale for 8.7 billion usd = 243 million per jet.

Lca mk1a is just 5.2 billion usd for 83 == 62.6 million per jet ( including infra spare weaponry).

Earlier 40 mk1 came for 1.25 billion usd == 31.25 million per jet only.

It may take 1 billion more to upgrade 40 mk1 to mk1a with aesa . ( Mig29 upg deal was 900 million for 66 jets. Aesa will cost more but no payment to Russia in case of mk1 to mk1a. Also less numbers only 40).

Adding all up we will have 123 mk1a for 7.25 billion usd all in.

So for the cost of 36 rafale ( 8.7 billion usd ) you can get 150 mk1a.

150mk1a armed with 2052 or uttam aesa radar and derby ER / Astra and Astra mk2 later sfdr are very very potent firepower.

Costs will continue to go up when you have a trash public sector organization that is doing the design, development, integration, manufacturing. Delays are the RULE in India, not the exception. Privatize, NOW

 

[LondonParisTokyo]

We already have 2 lines planned for production for MK1A.
Actually third line is also being planned right now. 5+8+8 MK1A per year to finish deliveries by 2027

The Indian mentality is to forever plan and plan and plan but never do. Nobody wants to take responsibility.

 

[aerokan]

The Indian mentality is to forever plan and plan and plan but never do. Nobody wants to take responsibility.

Yup.. bad bad mentality. Always asking for money. It's not like IAF owes lot of money to HAL which is pending.. like say some thousands of crores which is talking money away from operational needs. Ohh wait!! Did i blurt out the truth? Oops!!

HAL should simply take a leaf out of IAF's playbook and not pay any of the private contractors for a while and deliver the planes to the IAF immediately. Why does anyone need a signed deal to do things anyways?