LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Flying Dagger]

Please check official sources ! Our journos dont know the difference between AESA and PESA..so dont take their word for it. See if you can find official source. If its 15KG then yes weight reduction will also happen

It will be around that.. western OBOGS are similar in weight.

Main advantage will be ground and logistics supports flight safety and avoidance of fire and explosion hazard.

But I guess there will be another cylinder smaller one for safety in case the system fails as observed in F-35. This could be oxygen kept in spare by the OBOGS itself . So overall weight may be around 50-100 kg.

 

[Saichand K]

It will be around that.. western OBOGS are similar in weight.

Main advantage will be ground and logistics supports flight safety and avoidance of fire and explosion hazard.

But I guess there will be another cylinder smaller one for safety in case the system fails as observed in F-35. This could be oxygen kept in spare by the OBOGS itself . So overall weight may be around 50-100 kg.

Two Lox cylinders actually. One for Back-up and another one for emergency.

 

[Saichand K]

New deal doesn't cover any maintenance. Still it pricy, may be because of the imported critical components.

No. The older deal has larger number of spares and longer maintenance. But this is more streamlined in terms of that but still much better than russian/western deals.

 

[porky_kicker]

LCA at about $60 million a piece is a pricey jet.
Can somebody re-verify the above math.
Why is it so pricey.........

LCA MK1A unit price is 42 million dollars

 

[Narasimh]

What the hell! Which one is this?
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Tail number is when 5021 and the modified canopy of FOC but that box behind the pilot isn't there.

I think they just removed that cover during first flight and that is how it always look internally.

The cover is in the canopy itself. when canopy is closed it covers those structures.

 

[Flying Dagger]

New deal doesn't cover any maintenance. Still it pricy, may be because of the imported critical components.

And 20-30 % HAL profit cut

LCA at about $60 million a piece is a pricey jet.
Can somebody re-verify the above math.
Why is it so pricey.........

Engine Radar MB ejector seat many component in ew are imported one. Weapons systems will be Derby ER and ASRAAM so the operational cost (with weapon) will be high too until Astra mk2 And it's IR version kick in.

 

[Flying Dagger]

LCA MK1A unit price is 42 million dollars

Share the cost breakup

Mk1 cost 350+ crore a piece . Mk1a will be slightly expensive.

 

[Bleh]

LCA at about $60 million a piece is a pricey jet.
Can somebody re-verify the above math.
Why is it so pricey.........

You are overestimating.
₹39,000 (reduced from 45k by reducing the immediate spare & support structure requirement) crores for 83 Mark1A. So flyaway jets would make up for ₹30-35k crores of that.

Price could be lower though. @Flying Dagger answered it already.

LCA MK1A unit price is 42 million dollars

Not really.

30000 to 35000Cr ÷83= ₹361 to 421crore per unit for Mark1A jet.
That makes it between $48 to 56 million apiece.

 

[Suryavanshi]

And 20-30 % HAL profit cut



Engine Radar MB ejector seat many component in ew are imported one. Weapons systems will be Derby ER and ASRAAM so the operational cost (with weapon) will be high too until Astra mk2 And it's IR version kick in.

Seats Ejection- Martin Baker
RADAR
Engine
Helemt
Pneumatics
Some key radio components

The above are the imported components

 

[Hari Sud]

Seats Ejection- Martin Baker
RADAR
Engine
Helemt
Pneumatics
Some key radio components

The above are the imported components

Bless you for identifying the imported components which escalate the price.

 

[Hari Sud]

You are overestimating.
₹39,000 (reduced from 45k by reducing the immediate spare & support structure requirement) crores for 83 Mark1A. So flyaway jets would make up for ₹30-35k crores of that.

Price could be lower though. @Flying Dagger answered it already.
Not really.

30000 to 35000Cr ÷83= ₹361 to 421crore per unit for Mark1A jet.
That makes it between $48 to 56 million apiece.

I am wrong but could you compare LCA price with JF-17. Ultimately the assembly line has to be kept busy for 10 years with external orders.

 

[Bleh]

I am wrong but could you compare LCA price with JF-17. Ultimately the assembly line has to be kept busy for 10 years with external orders.

Google what Nigeria is paying for 6 Jf-17 & do the math. Price for these stuff vary widely. At ±$50mil Tejas is very reasonably priced for what it brings to the table.

 

[Flying Dagger]

I am wrong but could you compare LCA price with JF-17. Ultimately the assembly line has to be kept busy for 10 years with external orders.

Please keep that obsession with that junk fighter in another forum or thread meant for it.

With 320+ order in line do we really need to depend on external orders if it comes good if not that's fine too.

 

[aditya10r]

New deal doesn't cover any maintenance. Still it pricy, may be because of the imported critical components.

Maybe because of small number of jets ordered.

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Once economies of scale kick in the prices will plummet.

 

[Saichand K]

Seats Ejection- Martin Baker
RADAR
Engine
Helemt
Pneumatics
Some key radio components

The above are the imported components

Radome quartz cone as well is imported component.

 

[porky_kicker]

Maybe because of small number of jets ordered.

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Once economies of scale kick in the prices will plummet.

Bro

Don't fall for anything from hydra3

He is smart , and the not so smart here fall for his good cop and bad cop tactics .

Go through his comments in his timeline

I am 99% sure he is a porky and unfortunately he is smarter than most of us here.

 

[porky_kicker]

LCA MK1A deal includes maintenance contract , don't believe everything you read here especially by dubious characters.

And for the last time , try to be smarter than porkies / commies

 

[Flying Dagger]

A advice if you want

Don't fall for anything from hydra3

He is smart , and the not so smart here fall for his good cop and bad cop tactics .

Go through his comments in his timeline

I am 99% sure he is a porky

Kick when goes overboard simple as that.. Being porky is a mental state which many living here also suffers from.

Jo sar , jitne sar humare khilaaf khade honge vo jameen par honge .

 

[Suryavanshi]

Radome quartz cone as well is imported component.

This is from 2012 report.
Most of it must be already sourced in house now.

https://www.scribd.com/document/102...-to-Build-the-Light-Combat-Aircraft-LCA-Tejas

 

[porky_kicker]

LCA mk1A unit price is around 42 million dollars . 42×83 ~ 3.5 billion, ~ 1.7 billion for spares , maintenance , various line testers , test and training systems , engines , consumables etc etc

That's a very reasonable price , good things don't come cheap .

And why the fuck anybody wants to compare the bander with LCA ?

You don't compare a 3 rd gen aircraft with a 4 th gen aircraft

Stop this infatuation with porky bander and porkies in general .

Lomri ko sher ke barabar kyu karna hai ?