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Rafale coming to India! Rajnath Singh to receive deadly French fighter jet on IAF Day in Paris
Golden Arrows have the distinction of being the most decorated fighter Squadron of the IAF, having won a maximum number of gallantry awards during Kargil conflict.

The first French fighter aircraft `Rafale’ will be handed over to the defense Minister Rajnath Singh on October 8 in Paris, which is celebrated as Indian Air Force Day and is also the auspicious of Dushera. Singh will be accompanied by a top-level official delegation will head to Paris where he will be handed over the first aircraft at a ceremony.

Sources explained that this aircraft which has been manufactured as per the specifications are given by India will be used by a batch of IAF pilots and ground crew for training purposes. So far the pilots and the ground crew has been undergoing training on the Rafale which is being flown by the French Air Force.

On Tuesday, at a ceremony Air Chief Marshal Dhanoa resurrected the ‘Golden Arrows’ 17 Squadron at the Ambala Air Force Station, which will be the home for the first batch of French fighter aircraft `Rafale’. He presented a memento to commemorate the ocassion to Group Capt Harkirat Singh.

Dhanoa would leave behind a stamp of his rich legacy of valor and leadership for the IAF and for Gold Arrows as they usher into a new era with the induction of the Rafale, say former IAF officers.

The Golden Arrows 17 Squadron was commanded by Dhanoa in 1999 during the Kargil operations in 1999, which had operated from Bhatinda airbase. However, as the Russian MiG-21 fighter planes were being phased out by the IAF, this was disbanded in 2016.

Air Vice Marshal Manmohan Bahadur VM (retd), Addl Director General, Centre for Air Power Studies, says: “Number 17 Squadron had been wound down (termed `number plated’) as the Type-96 MiG-21 was phased out from the Squadron. So a small ceremony is being carried out to bring it back to life with Rafales.”

According to former Group Capt Sundeep Mehta, “Golden Arrows was earlier number plated, implying that it existed only on paper as an establishment -without any equipment and manpower or any financial support to it. In effect, it indicated the declining strength of the IAF.”

Golden Arrows have the distinction of being the most decorated fighter Squadron of the IAF, having won a maximum number of gallantry awards during Kargil conflict. Air Chief Marshal Dhanoa, who is due to retire later this month, had led the Golden Arrows to its glorious heights with his dynamic leadership and bravery, during the Kargil conflict. Choice of a Golden Arrows squadron to be equipped with Rafale is indeed a perfect match. Rafale fighter jets is known to be a game-changer for the geostrategic equation of the subcontinent. It is indeed a proud moment for the country and the Air Warriors to witness the Squadron being resurrected by him. A major milestone in the history of the squadron, says Mehta.

“At a time, when the IAF has a rapidly declining numbers, Rafale will indeed bring a huge relief until the squadron strength gets restored over a period. Rafale jet was in news post-Balakot strike when a MiG-21 BISON had to lock horns with the advanced and modern F-16. Even when the BISON shot down F -16, deficiency in equipment being made good by superior tactics or skill and training is not a happy situation for national security and came for public criticism. For a similar reason, a massive Ex GAGAN SHAKTI was held last year to validate the preparedness – at a strategic level, with less than desired force levels available to meet the challenges on two fronts simultaneously,” according to Mehta.

Says former Wing Commander AR Giri, “ It means when the MiG 21 Type 96 were being phased out, the Squadron flying them were number plated if no immediate replacement is available or planned. In the case of number plating the Squadron history and property are all held in safe custody after a board of officers and all personnel are posted out.”
https://www.financialexpress.com/de...ench-fighter-jet-on-iaf-day-in-paris/1701838/



 

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is it sure? The first news (serious???) explain it was not coming from the indian side.
The deliver ot the first Rafale to the Indian Air Force that has been annonced is only a ceremony in fact.

Even if the first planes are not really ready to be delivered, you can even conduct the ceremony. think about it. It's is not related to a late in applying paint or finishing to assemble some parts. Planes have already flown !

If the plane were not ready, it is not a postpone of few days that will change something, but you need weeks or more !

Sometimes, the explanation is the simplest:
 

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IT IS UNFAIR TO COMPARE THOSE... Maybe not with F4 or F5, but definitely F-14 or F-15. That's like T-55 being compared to M1A1 instead of M60!
Yes, but I also said, you don't get to choose who you will face in battle. Looking at our own episode of F-16 VS Mig-21 Bison, we can easily hide behind such a statement, it's unfair to compare them yet we have on F-16 with a R-73 up it's tuchus.
 

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Yes, unfair to compare a low range 7.4T empty weight to a 13 to 18T empty weight one !!! Absolutely not the same radar size, not the same amount of missiles, not the same range so time available to move, place yourself and combat....

F16 and Mirage 2000 are dancing in the same league : nearly 8T empty weight.

But it's abslolutely usual that you answer like that. Your french bashing is now forum wide known. :rotfl:

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USA will be under the union jack without french help. :frusty:
On a battlefield comparison are useless, those who demonstrate good tactics win. French help during the American Revolution was nowhere in the scale, shape or form compared to World War-2, not to mention to massive investment in rebuilding efforts. I am not bashing the French, I am just bashing your bitch ass who seems to have delusions of grandeur.

Also Mirage kill the F-16 in the Aegean case is disputed, Turkey claims it was shot and Greece denies shooting it. It's a dubious claim to begin with.
 

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Jab apna hee kutta pagal ho jaye to aisa hota hai… He has gone totally off the rails.

Some of his other gems in recent times.
- Make income tax 0% for everyone.
- Put boots on ground in Afghanistan.

Now buy Dassault rather than Rafale… :rofl:

And do what sir do what? Run it like HAL (even if it was possible in some alternate delusion-verse where the French were willing to part with a strategic asset that to for one tenth its actual price.)


Dassault is not for sale !
The main shareholders are the Dassault family and some very very near friends, not needing fresh money.
In all the case, the french govt have something to say. And it will definitively never be accepted.
so... NO WAY !
 

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Also Mirage kill the F-16 in the Aegean case is disputed, Turkey claims it was shot and Greece denies shooting it. It's a dubious claim to begin with.
Never see that.

There are a lot of information from the Turkish AND greek sides :
The Greek M2000 pilot was Lt Thanos Grivas.
The F16 D was driven by Cpt Nail Erdogan and Lt colonel Osman Gicekli. Gicekli ejected safely and was secured by a Greek AB 205 helo. He received some medicinal and braught back to Turkey. Erdogan boby never found.
 

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France received very few from the Marshall plan. General De Gaulle refused the US help.

Main effort was used for Germany.

Refused my bottom! What an ungrateful comment. The highest Martial Plan recipient was UK at 24%. But the second highest recipient was France at 21%. Read your history!

The other 40% of the counterpart funds were used to pay down the debt, stabilize the currency, or invest in non-industrial projects. France made the most extensive use of counterpart funds, using them to reduce the budget deficit. In France, and most other countries, the counterpart fund money was absorbed into general government revenues, and not recycled as in Germany.
The France also recieved massive military assistance in the form of materiele after the War. You used these American materiele in your failed efforts to maintain your colonialism.
 
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Why are the French and Americans fighting here?

Its common knowledge that US is a unreliable ally. US wants lapdogs, which India will refuse to be. Hence its unlikely that India will buy strategic equipment from USA.

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Well at least now we know what others feel like when we have the incessant indi- Napaki squabbles on other, International fora!

And in terms of tech, both have useful stuff that is critical for our military.
I would agree French materials more suitable for say mrca or subs but the Americans have P-8s, predator drones, transport aircraft and helicopters which are best suited for us.

Not being crooks or thieves like the Chinese has some advantages we can pick and choose where we want to buy from.
 

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Several Iran air force were shooted down by Miage F1. Confirmed shoots were :

- 12 F4 (28 oct 1981, 4 dec 1981, 12 dec 1981, 27 jan 1982, 16 july 1982, etc.... ),
- 4 F5 (26 feb 1982, 1st april, dec 1982, dec 1984)
- and at least 3 F14 (5 feb 1988 and 2 x 18 july 1988 thanks to Matra super 530 AAM)
so....

Add that F1 also smashed a US destroyer thanks to exocet....

And to compare single light fighter with heavy dual ones (F14, F15) is quite unfair.
Not the case of Mirage 2000 vs F16, direct competitors. And this match ended by 1-0 for the french plane :lol:

Good night average american.
Lol.. more bogus claims by Iraqis against Iran that you claim “confirmed” . Indian wannabe French— how shameful. Why not call yourself what you are -Indian? Does that bother you? Namaste.
 

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Refused my bottom! What an ungrateful comment. The highest Martial Plan recipient was UK at 24%. But the second highest recipient was France at 21%. Read your history!
YOU ARE RIGHT. Sorry.
I checked that and it's true. I'm very surprised, not by the fact that France was the 2nd beneficiary, but by the fact germany was only the 4th (after Italy, the third)

I've learn something this morning !
 

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The France also recieved massive military assistance in the form of materiele after the War. You used these American materiele in your failed efforts to maintain your colonialism.
It was not "also". It was included in the Marshall plan, and as GB, Italy,... we received subs and tanks from ex 3rd reich and some US equipments.
 

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France received very few from the Marshall plan. General De Gaulle refused the US help.

Main effort was used for Germany.
That's just plain nonsense, cumulative total between 1948 and 1951 for France was $2.296 Billion which was second only to the UK. Actually West Germany received $1.448 Billion by estimates out of 13 Billion in 1948 for Europe. This is around 138 Billion at 2019 value. France received +17% which is around 24 Billion in 2019 value compared to 1948 when law was passed.

The Marshall Plan Fifty Years Later, by Palgrave MacMillan (read-up)

Without The Marshall Plan, there wouldn't be a EU.

People forget post war, total US loans, grants and aid between 1945-53 globally were around 44.3 Billion.
 

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Why are the French and Americans fighting here?

Its common knowledge that US is a unreliable ally. US wants lapdogs, which India will refuse to be. Hence its unlikely that India will buy strategic equipment from USA.

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What is your definition of strategic equipment? Give me some examples of such equipment and why are some equipment strategic in nature.
 

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