Saurav Jha @SJha1618 · 6h 6 hours ago >>
* Comrades,
there is an active lobby pushing the Gripen as a Mig-21 replacement by offering a 'Make in India' scheme. #DDBI.
* This lobby first came in wanting to improve the 'LCA' by providing aerodynamic data and other consultancy support in a hangar. #DDBI.
* Their case was that Gripen is v.similar to Tejas etc etc. Now they are even talking about 'Make in India'. # DDBI.
* The situation for
the Tejas program far from being comfortable is actually Code Red. I realize this now. # DDBI.
* So worried is everybody about the need for aerodynamic refinement of the Tejas platform that it is being used by an opening by the G-lobby.
* G-lobby is proposing everything from 51 % in Mk-2, 100 % for G itself under MII.
Now tell me will anybody do MII on no cost no commitment?
*
The best way for Indian industry to actually upgrade itself is get its hands dirty producing homegrown systems not doing spoon fed bullshit.
==============
@ersakthivel, Its not the Swedish should be concern off, But Russians ..
This seems to be true,
It seems made in India is being made into bleed india.
it is absurd to consider another another single engine fighter in place of tejas.
I dont know why this govt is going down this road,
For LCA Tejas, it’s now about months, not decades - The Times of India
With well planted article like these.
When manohar parrikar said that it will be tejas "or some other single engined fighter", I guessed it is none other than gripen.
Now with officials considering another single engined fighter between the capability of tejas and rafale,(I am hundred percent sure that this is fake plant)
"Don't compare Rafale, a top-end fighter, to MiG-21s, which we will phase out in about six to 10 years. The replacement for MiG-21s will be Tejas or some other single-engine, lighter aircraft. Tejas ki maar bhi kaafi hai (Tejas packs a punch) and it's much better than a MiG-21, but has certain limitations," said Parrikar.
Though some interpreted this to mean impending doom for the Tejas project, a top official dismissed it by clarifying the government was "just keeping all options open" to make "numbers" with IAF down to just 34 fighter squadrons when 44 are needed. "There could be scope for a single-engine fighter, which would be much cheaper than Rafale, somewhere between the capabilities of Rafale and Tejas," he said.
brazilian deal with SAAB places gripen at over 100 million dollar per plane, is it justified for India to put that much amount when we have tejas?
If GOI can accept the cost they can straight away award Dassault the MMRCA ignoring higher prices , because it will at least give us much better plane than gripen at not too high an extra cost,
it is disgusting logic to induct gripen and rafale simultaneously using this foolish make in india pitch..
What is IAf a ready made shop?
Rafale is between su-30 MKI, and tejas
now gripen in between tejas and rafale,
and tomorrow will it be mig-35 in between gripen and rafale ???
it seems there are many "unnamed high officials " in defence ministry who are itching to get between the sheets with various foreign models?
And many "in between go to" guys are using this govt's penchant for fast decision to get lot of in between categories.
First they justified rafale deal as IAF needed a medium MRCA,
Now inventing another category is disgusting.
Saurav jha hinted a that move some time ago, with SAAB trying to pass of their gripen NG as "make in india".
Now it seems free for all,
Bharath karnard was prophetic about these new invented categories, now we will be the laughing stock of the world by turning IAF into a circus.
The fighter's final operational clearance (FOC), with integration of all weapons like guns, laser-guided bombs and BVR (beyond visual range) missiles as well mid-air refuelling capability, is likely to be delayed beyond the re-revised deadline of December 2015.
The Tejas Mark-II version which the IAF actually wants — with more powerful engines, airframe changes, weight and drag reduction — will begin to come in only by 2021 or so. So, Parrikar will need to do a lot of pushing if he wants swifter deliveries of the multi-role fighters.
As usual standards will always be different for indian products, they will buy rafale with ever setting their eyes on ASEA radar and meteor missile, but when it comes to tejas phased induction is out of question and there were reports that the reason for the delay was IAF rejected previous designs of composite radome and refuelling probe design given by Cobham.
It will be more interesting if some one goes into those reasons of rejections.Particulary for the refuelling probe this was the third attempt by cobham after IAF rejected first two designs.
It makes one thing sure, this NDA govt is still run by UPA mode , with UPA high officials.
They will buy thousands of T90s unfit to operate in indian dessert conditions with out even giving a trial but wont advance a single rupee for tejas even it has proven 95 percent of its capabilities in demanding indian hot conditions and cold conditions. Lot of people are making hay in the "make in India" sun shine.
The first 40 Su-30 MKI s which cost billions of dollars ,that spent a decade with IAF did not conform to SU-30 MKI standards and they were later exchanged for SU-30 MKI model once it was developed ,Many import lobbysts justified that by saying that IAF wanted to develop tactics for close combat with SU-30 susing those 40 fighters. And there were many sermons on why IAF will need 4 or 5 years to completely develop those dog fight tactics with every new plat form.
but when it comes to tejas so such steps are needed perhaps, They wont tough it without refueling probe!!! Cant IAf develop dog fight tactics for tejas mk1 with out those refueling probe?
You can count on rajat pandit and his DDM ilk to never ask such inconvenient quetions to any of those "un named defence ministry or IAF or Army officers".
Instead these guys will let out tons of lies like tejas can not fly without telemetry support, its brakes jam and what else not all quoting those ,"high and mighty unnamed IAF officials of course ".
Mirage-2000 spent years in IAF with nothing but a gun,
Even its much much acclaimed laser guided bombing (stating which many import dalals are pushing rafale!!!)of kargil had nothing to do with Dassault and a emergency work done by indians and Isaelis in fitting laser guidance kit to indian bombs. These import dalals are making out it is as if the Dassault CEO who landed in Srinagar airport with those LGBs in the nick of time to save tiger Hill
Rajat pandit and his ilk will never high light such inconvenient facts ever!!!!
" Incidentally, the original plan was that six squadrons each of MMRCA and Tejas would replace the existing 10 Mig-21 and four MiG-27 squadrons. Parrikar, on his part, said, "In the next four to five years, we can add about six LCA squadrons if we push HAL, which I am doing."
All is well with these kind of sentiments, But the moot point is whether HAL is being given the order numbers and resource needed to produce tejas quick?
last time we all heard HAL was going to Air force and navy with begging bowl for the money required to set up production line for tejas, with UPA MOD refusing to grant 1600 crore needed to set up the production line for tejas, becuase instituting a production line for just 40 tejas is not profitable.
HAL is ready to pour its own resources into HTT , but when it comes to tejas neither IAF, nor MOD, or HAL are ready to part with the money, Why?
