Know Your 'Rafale'

[BON PLAN]

Thanks this is very detailed. I guess next batch for india will be F4 standard.

An order now means a first delivery in 2024. So a F4 for sure.

 

[fire starter]

An order now means a first delivery in 2024. So a F4 for sure.

What about existing fleet of rafale since they are already the most advanced in world.

 

[Snowcat]

What about existing fleet of rafale since they are already the most advanced in world.

I heard something like F3R variants can be easily brought upto F4 standards while the same is not possible for older variants without extensive modifications. I can't find the article where I read it. Sorry.

 

[Frontrunner]

I heard something like F3R variants can be easily brought upto F4 standards while the same is not possible for older variants without extensive modifications. I can't find the article where I read it. Sorry.

Doesn't matter for us as the Rafale which we had ordered are basically a souped up f3R that is equivalent to F4.1 tranches.. after all are upgraded with ISE in 2022-23...

After all we paid a heavy a 1.8 billion dollars just for upgrading our batch of rafale.

It is the f4.2 version which will incorporate heavy upgrades like GaN radar nd GaN spectra suite..

 

[BON PLAN]

What about existing fleet of rafale since they are already the most advanced in world.

All the brend new F3R, ie all the Indian ones, are made to be fully and easily F4.2 once the tests ended, and after the purchase of some new hardware. Without new hardware, the F4.1 will be reached also of course.

It's not the case of the first 24 of Egypt, and nearly all the already delivered french Rafale : they are easily upgradable to F4.1, but it will be costly to go to F4.2.

 

[not so dravidian]

@BON PLAN
will we too be getting this capability!!!!1

 

[omaebakabaka]

@BON PLAN
will we too be getting this capability!!!!1

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Hmm, that's not very believable and probably wont ever come along. It is not fast enough to climb to the altitude of mig-31 or sr-71 and even then this sounds like early 80's way based on Rafale....they need to better than mig-31 and even then benefits are really questionable in nuclear scenario and the size of the payloads these can launch

 

[IndianHawk]

@BON PLAN
will we too be getting this capability!!!!1

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If we have to do it we will do it with su30mki which can fly faster and already has hardpoints strengthen to carry bramhos which is basically a very powerful rocket itself.

 

[MonaLazy]

@BON PLAN, Does the Rafale have air brakes dedicated for the role? as opposed to canards, landing gear, elevons acting together to bring the plane to a halt after landing.

Secondly does it have a drag chute?

TIA.

Video I referenced:

 

[Fonck83]

@MonaLazy rafale has no air brakes dedicated. The fonction is made by canard only. Dassault wanted the less mobile parts as possible.

 

[MonaLazy]

@MonaLazy rafale has no air brakes dedicated. The fonction is made by canard only. Dassault wanted the less mobile parts as possible.

Amazing!! Thank you for your response. What about drag chutes have those also been done away with?

Really admire the design choices made on Rafale.

 

[Lonewolf]

Amazing!! Thank you for your response. What about drag chutes have those also been done away with?

No drag chute is a necessary addition , it is available .

Those air brakes except canards would have increased maintenance for a twin engine fighter ,

 

[jouy31]

Croatia purchase officially confirmed!
Cheers

Croatia to buy 12 French Dassault Rafale fighter jets

Croatia will buy 12 French Dassault Rafale (AVMD.PA) fighter jets to modernise its air force in a deal worth 999 million euros ($1.22 billion), Prime Minister Andrej Plenkovic said on Friday.

www.reuters.com

 

[THESIS THORON]

3 rafae have landed in india
total in india - 23

 

[Lonewolf]

Croatia purchase officially confirmed!
Cheers

Croatia to buy 12 French Dassault Rafale fighter jets

Croatia will buy 12 French Dassault Rafale (AVMD.PA) fighter jets to modernise its air force in a deal worth 999 million euros ($1.22 billion), Prime Minister Andrej Plenkovic said on Friday.

www.reuters.com

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[Tang]

What do you think is the best solution wrt Rafale purchase/MMRCA for India,


I think India should go for 114 more Rafale with critical ToT in Engine, Spectra & source code for weapon integration.

The cost would be around 17$ billion spread around the time span of 5 years

What is the acquisition budget for IAF? Is it feasible?

What do you think guys?

@Lonewolf @Bleh

 

[Lonewolf]

What do you think is the best solution wrt Rafale purchase/MMRCA for India,


I think India should go for 114 more Rafale with critical ToT in Engine, Spectra & source code for weapon integration.

The cost would be around 17$ billion spread around the time span of 5 years

What is the acquisition budget for IAF? Is it feasible?

What do you think guys?

@Lonewolf @Bleh

Not feasible ,too many projects undergoing , they are required for immediate needs and such big contract will take time ,better off the shelf 72 at max , also tot will be delayed and denied in some critical areas we are asking ,cause that's what makes a rafale a rafale

 

[Fonck83]

Après la Croatie, pas de nouvelle commande de Rafale pour la France

Selon nos informations, le ministère des Armées ne souhaite pas commander de nouveaux appareils mais préfère privilégier la qualité du parc à la quantité. Les Rafale auront de nouveaux équipements de mission supplémentaires (radar AESA, pod Talios, moteur M88) achetés grâce au produit de cession...

www.latribune.fr

Future Croatian order will have an impact on the Air Force's Rafale fleet. The target of 171 Rafales (including 129 for the Air Force) planned for the end of the Military Programming Law (LPM) will not be reached after all, according to our information. The Ministry of the Army does not want to order new aircraft, but prefers to focus on the quality of the fleet rather than quantity. Thus, with the proceeds from the sale of the Air Force Rafale to Croatia (more than 999 million euros), the ministry wants to buy mission equipment, which is currently lacking on the Rafales in service.

To improve the Rafales' operational readiness and missions, the French defense procurement agency (DGA) will order AESA radars (Thales), which will gradually replace the RBE2s, Talios designation pods (Thales) and additional M88 engines (Safran). This will make it possible to more quickly eliminate all the different standards of the Rafales in service (currently the latest standard is the F3R). These purchases therefore go beyond the forecasts in the 2019-2025 LPM. Above all, this equipment will improve the performance of the Rafale. Typically, the Meteor air-to-air missile will be fully operational with an AESA radar.

The Rafale chain saved
The Ministry of the Army has changed its mind about Greece. This decision is clearly different from the one taken after the Rafale contract in Greece (18 aircraft sold, including 12 second-hand): the ministry wanted to replace the 12 second-hand Rafales sold to Athens with 12 new Rafales for the air force. It had also planned, as part of the Ravel program, to put 10 Rafales back in the air, which had been parked by the air force and cannibalized for use as spare parts for aircraft leaving on missions or for training. In theory, the French air force will therefore eventually benefit from 22 additional aircraft "in service".

Finally, export contracts in Egypt and Greece, as well as national orders, have given Dassault Aviation's Rafale production line visibility for several years. There is no longer any urgency concerning the industrial chain for the French fighter, which supports a network of 500 French companies.

By Michel CABIROL

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

 

[Bleh]

What do you think is the best solution wrt Rafale purchase/MMRCA for India,


I think India should go for 114 more Rafale with critical ToT in Engine, Spectra & source code for weapon integration.

The cost would be around 17$ billion spread around the time span of 5 years

What is the acquisition budget for IAF? Is it feasible?

What do you think guys?

@Lonewolf @Bleh

We may get a jet 36 Rafales, but any more than that isn't possible... Hell IAF haven't yet got the greenlight to issue an RFP!

 

[Tang]

Not feasible ,too many projects undergoing , they are required for immediate needs and such big contract will take time ,better off the shelf 72 at max , also tot will be delayed and denied in some critical areas we are asking ,cause that's what makes a rafale a rafale

IAF has roughly Rs55K cr annual acquisition budget.
For the next 5 years that would be - 275K cr

MK1a deal - 48K
Mig29 deal -7K
Su30MKI deal - 10K

MK2 deal - 80K or less ?

Do add more

BTW even when we buy 72 off the shelf - the total number would be 108 - Which is close to original MRCA
As a buyer, we must ask ToT of critical areas else we can always move on to F16V which has far far better industrial value(We might be able to recover all money that we would invest in buying F16 by industrial offset and supply chain benefit)