Know Your 'Rafale'

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Difference in the aerodynamics of the 2 planes. All is said by one pic.

 

[IndianHawk]

You forget :
-Switzerland (I think it will be a rafale win).
-Not a penny on Finland deal.
-at least 36 more for India, and probably more (I always said the final figure will be between 72 and 150).
-Greece : it's not 12, it's 18. And Greece is already thinking for some more (and don't speak of F35...)
- Morocco : They need to rely on 2 suppliers, the Mirage F1 are old, and they need something to oppose to Algerian Su30
- Malaysia...
- UAE (same thing than Morocco : 2 suppliers....)
- Croatia
etc....

And a last batch for France, 30 units minimum (and probably some more) for a total of 210+ for France.

Well still Rafale will probably be limited to 400 numbers afterall.

That begs the question of fcas which may see even less exports due to even higher costs.

 

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Well still Rafale will probably be limited to 400 numbers afterall.

That begs the question of fcas which may see even less exports due to even higher costs.

Rafale will fly along FCAS.
Why?
Because FCAS will be costly. So in limited numbers.
For all the other missions France forces will always need a more affordable bird (as Mirage 2000 fleet now, in low end solution, with Rafale in high end). This is why I think the next rafale batch for France will be higher than 30, or another batch after.
And there are some other mature prospects....

France : 210 already secured (180 inked, 30 more in the white book) and probably some more as a low or mid end solution to accompany FCAS
India : 72 to 150
Egypt : 54.
Qatar : 36
Greece : 18 to 48
Indonesia : 36
Morocco : 18 to 36
UAE : 36 to 60
Croatia : 12
Switzerland : 36.

Malaysia also in the pipe. Vietnam....

The final figure may fastly reach 520 to 670 units....

 

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Difference in the aerodynamics of the 2 planes. Another pic.

 

[Fonck83]

The Croatian government has decided to buy 12 used French F3R Rafale fighter jets, Jutarnji list has learned unofficially
well-informed sources.

Jutarnji doznaje: Hrvatska kupuje francuske borbene avione Rafale, evo koliko će koštati

Ukoliko bi ugovor bio potpisan ove godine, Francuska bi prvih šest aviona isporučila 2024. godine

www.jutarnji.hr

The decision should be made by the Government for Armed Forces Day. It is a twin-engine fighter plane and, as we find out,
the oldest plane that would be delivered to Croatia is 10 years old. According to available information,
Croatia would pay just under a billion euros for the entire package, which includes planes, training and weapons.

At today's session of the Defense Council, support was given to the Government for the purchase of a fighter jet.

President Zoran Milanovic in the Croatia barracks said a little later that the government had not been given a recommendation on what
type of aircraft to buy, but hoped "that he and the prime minister understood each other well".
Asked if he knew which plane we were buying, he replied "No comment".


After the official decision of the Government to accept the French offer, negotiations on the contract follow.

If the contract were signed this year, France would deliver the first six planes in 2024, and the remaining six a year later.
President Milanović, on the other hand, said that planes must be in Croatia by 2024 at the latest.

 

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Rafale will fly along FCAS.
Why?
Because FCAS will be costly. So in limited numbers.
For all the other missions France forces will always need a more affordable bird (as Mirage 2000 fleet now, in low end solution, with Rafale in high end). This is why I think the next rafale batch for France will be higher than 30, or another batch after.
And there are some other mature prospects....

France : 210 already secured (180 inked, 30 more in the white book) and probably some more as a low or mid end solution to accompany FCAS
India : 72 to 150
Egypt : 54.
Qatar : 36
Greece : 18 to 48
Indonesia : 36
Morocco : 18 to 36
UAE : 36 to 60
Croatia : 12
Switzerland : 36.

Malaysia also in the pipe. Vietnam....

The final figure may fastly reach 520 to 670 units....

It seems that Croatia may have selected the Rafale for it's fleet .....

Jutarnji doznaje: Hrvatska kupuje francuske borbene avione Rafale, evo koliko će koštati

Ukoliko bi ugovor bio potpisan ove godine, Francuska bi prvih šest aviona isporučila 2024. godine

www.jutarnji.hr

"Jutarnji finds out: Croatia is buying French Rafale fighter planes, here's how much it will cost"

 

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The Croatian government has decided to buy 12 used French F3R Rafale fighter jets, Jutarnji list has learned unofficially
well-informed sources.

Jutarnji doznaje: Hrvatska kupuje francuske borbene avione Rafale, evo koliko će koštati

Ukoliko bi ugovor bio potpisan ove godine, Francuska bi prvih šest aviona isporučila 2024. godine

www.jutarnji.hr

The decision should be made by the Government for Armed Forces Day. It is a twin-engine fighter plane and, as we find out,
the oldest plane that would be delivered to Croatia is 10 years old. According to available information,
Croatia would pay just under a billion euros for the entire package, which includes planes, training and weapons.

At today's session of the Defense Council, support was given to the Government for the purchase of a fighter jet.

President Zoran Milanovic in the Croatia barracks said a little later that the government had not been given a recommendation on what
type of aircraft to buy, but hoped "that he and the prime minister understood each other well".
Asked if he knew which plane we were buying, he replied "No comment".


After the official decision of the Government to accept the French offer, negotiations on the contract follow.

If the contract were signed this year, France would deliver the first six planes in 2024, and the remaining six a year later.
President Milanović, on the other hand, said that planes must be in Croatia by 2024 at the latest.

Tu me grilles toujours de quelques instants....

 

[Fonck83]

It seems that Croatia may have selected the Rafale for it's fleet .....

Jutarnji doznaje: Hrvatska kupuje francuske borbene avione Rafale, evo koliko će koštati

Ukoliko bi ugovor bio potpisan ove godine, Francuska bi prvih šest aviona isporučila 2024. godine

www.jutarnji.hr

"Jutarnji finds out: Croatia is buying French Rafale fighter planes, here's how much it will cost"

Arff j'ai été plus rapide que toi

 

[Fonck83]

Tu me grilles toujours de quelques instants....

EN fait ma traduction était déjà prête je l'avais faite pour f-16.net et bf4c

 

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another source for Croatia : https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/hrvatska-je-odabrala-francuski-rafale-1494042

 

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EN fait ma traduction était déjà prête je l'avais faite pour f-16.net et bf4c

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[fire starter]

Seems like after India purchased rafale there is sudden upsurge in popularity of aircraft.

 

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Seems like after India purchased rafale there is sudden upsurge in popularity of aircraft.

Not really.
India was the third export customer.
But not the less interesting, specially because Rafale was chosen to be put against china....

 

[Fonck83]

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You have founded I've seen.

 

[Lonewolf]

You have founded I've seen.

Ela bela bulu bulu , meow meow pew pew .



This is normal reaction of people here until they translate your above message

 

[MisraZ]

 

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First developpment flights for a Rafale F4.1 in late april (26 to 29 april).

in french : https://www.defense.gouv.fr/dga/act...-campagne-d-essais-du-rafale-au-standard-f4-1

 

[omaebakabaka]

Difference in the aerodynamics of the 2 planes. Another pic.

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35 is too clean....geometrically

 

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35 is too clean....geometrically

It's not what we can see.

 

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It's not what we can see.

I think the F35 wings are too small.