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Rafale with metor missile with 150 km range can safely shot down any pakistani fighter inside our air space.
150 km is an unofficial range. Maybe effective against a liner, in straight flight, and fired by a fighter cruising at 18000 meters height....
Some very well informed source in France said few weeks ago : 60km of no escape zone (against 20 to 25 km for recent AMRAAM (C7?) )
 

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Astra Mk2 is 2 stage dual pulsed motor (like Barak-8 missile). SFDR is meteor like missile
A dual pulsed motor is used to give some more energy to the missile the last few seconds before impact, so as to be agile. It help to increase the NEZ, but not realy the max range (because first stage of the motor is smaller to give space to the second one).

Meteor use a Stato : the oxidizer is not including in the load : it's the air, when a classical motor has to embark fuel + oxidizer.

So a 150 kilo classical motor AtoA missile, with single or dual pulse motor will never have the same range or the same NEZ than a Stato one (comparing same state of the art missile, and same average speed)
 

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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...different-pm-narendra-modi-1469100-2019-03-02

Prime Minister Narendra Modi said the country is today feeling the absence of Rafale fighter jets. He said if previous governments had purchased the Rafale aircraft the outcome of the recent incidents could have been different.

Speaking at the India Today Conclave 2019, Prime Minister Narendra Modi said there is a lot of talk in the country these days that the country is suffering due to the absence of Rafale fighter jets.


"In dino bahut charcha chal rahi hai aur ek swar uth raha hai ki desh main Rafale ki kami khal rahi hai. Aaj Hindustan ek swar main keh raha hai ki aaj agar hamre paas Rafale hota toh shayad parinam kuch aur hota (Today there is talk that India is missing the Rafale jets. The entire nation is saying that if India had Rafale jets today, the outcome of the recent incidents would have been something different)," he said.
 

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A dual pulsed motor is used to give some more energy to the missile the last few seconds before impact, so as to be agile. It help to increase the NEZ, but not realy the max range (because first stage of the motor is smaller to give space to the second one).

Meteor use a Stato : the oxidizer is not including in the load : it's the air, when a classical motor has to embark fuel + oxidizer.

So a 150 kilo classical motor AtoA missile, with single or dual pulse motor will never have the same range or the same NEZ than a Stato one (comparing same state of the art missile, and same average speed)
You are right that dual pulsed motor can't give the range of RAMJET. But solid RAMJET is quite difficult to make, especially the solid chemical compound which has to sublimate to mix with the sucked air. The Dual pulsed AAM is being sought to reduce cost and help in mass manufacturing. India is developing SFDR missile side by side which will have solid fuel RAMJET.

The dual pulsed AAM will be cheaply mass manufactures whereas the SFDR will be manufactured in limited numbers
 

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150 km is an unofficial range. Maybe effective against a liner, in straight flight, and fired by a fighter cruising at 18000 meters height....
Some very well informed source in France said few weeks ago : 60km of no escape zone (against 20 to 25 km for recent AMRAAM (C7?) )
Which is indeed a good improvement, 60KM NEZ would allow for decent BVR abilities against maneuvering aircraft. While 150km would be great for larger, less maneuverable birds.

Eitherway, changes the game, looking forward to the Rafale landing quickly now. Time to order another bunch of birds.
 

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Which is indeed a good improvement, 60KM NEZ would allow for decent BVR abilities against maneuvering aircraft. While 150km would be great for larger, less maneuverable birds.

Eitherway, changes the game, looking forward to the Rafale landing quickly now. Time to order another bunch of birds.
60km NEZ means not a decent, but a nice BVR ability against every manned fighter. It's nearly 2.5 to 3 times better than current medium range missiles. Max range is unreleased, but 150km is a possible figure only in a ballistic trajectory, with few terminal agility (against a freight aircraft...).
Rafale will remain on line until 2050 at least. F4 is on track. F5, maybe called MLU, will follow.
Futur plane may arrived only near 2035.
 

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60km NEZ means not a decent, but a nice BVR ability against every manned fighter. It's nearly 2.5 to 3 times better than current medium range missiles. Max range is unreleased, but 150km is a possible figure only in a ballistic trajectory, with few terminal agility (against a freight aircraft...).
Rafale will remain on line until 2050 at least. F4 is on track. F5, maybe called MLU, will follow.
Futur plane may arrived only near 2035.
Yes decent, not sure if this still means a 100% kill. It appears demonstrably possible to evade missiles fired in NEZ as well. However, a good ability for sure. I would think even with a bigger NEZ, it would be significantly more effective to use it with a stealthy aircraft. Meteor would be most effective when deployed by the likes of F-35, Rafale.
 

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Yes decent, not sure if this still means a 100% kill. It appears demonstrably possible to evade missiles fired in NEZ as well. However, a good ability for sure. I would think even with a bigger NEZ, it would be significantly more effective to use it with a stealthy aircraft. Meteor would be most effective when deployed by the likes of F-35, Rafale.
Indeed, a missile can be misfonctionning inside the NEZ (ie the seeker that never ran), or can be jammed.

Yes, a stealthy plane is an asset.
But stealthy is today only in X band. Not in low radar bands or in IR bands.
And I think every radar manufacturer is working on anti stealth technics, even with on board "small" radars (ie not in low bands). Always the old battle between the sword and the shield !
 

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Rafale with metor missile with 150 km range can safely shot down any pakistani fighter inside our air space.
150km is an unofficial data. And even if it's true, it's near a ballistic trajectory, so "usefull" only on a slow maneuvring target, not a fighter.
The NEZ of Meteor is said to be 60km.
 

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150km is an unofficial data. And even if it's true, it's near a ballistic trajectory, so "usefull" only on a slow maneuvring target, not a fighter.
The NEZ of Meteor is said to be 60km.
Some said the max range, in a full ballistic trajectory is up to 250km.... but with few agility at the end.
 

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