Know Your 'Rafale'

[BON PLAN]

3 ( +3+[2] ) more Rafale EH/DH squadrons, 2 ( + 2 ) dedicated for maritime strike.

]3 ( +3+[2] ) : hard to decrypt ! Explain us please.

 

[BON PLAN]

All Rafale standards contents

• LF1 standard (2000/05/01)
• • R550 Magic 2
• F1 standard (2001/12/01)
• • 30M791 gun A2A modes
  • Mica EM
  • SPECTRA
• F2.1 standard (2005/12/01)
• • Hadrware update
  • MDPU
  • MIDS-Link16
  • Upgraded SPECTRA
  • OSF
  • Sensor fusion
  • SCALP
  • MICA-IR
• F2.2 standard (01/06/2006)
• • SBU-38
  • Upgraded SPECTRA
  • Obsolescences updates
• F3.0 standard (01/07/2008)
• • Hardware update
  • Long range MICA-IR modes
  • High resolution Radar MAP
  • Upgraded IFF
  • SLPRM V4-2
• F3.1 standard (2009/06/01)
• • Common F3 software for retrofited F2 and F3-O aircrafts
• F3.2 standard (2010/03/01)
• • Full LGB capability
  • Damocles-MP
  • GBU-12/22
  • SBU-64
  • 30M791 gun A2G modes
  • AM39 block 2 mod 2
  • ASMP-A
  • AREOS recce pod
• F3.3 standard (2012/01/01)
• • MIDS-Link16 upgrade
  • RBE-2 AESA
  • OSF-IT
  • DDM-NG
  • New MFD
  • Improved HUD transparancy
  • Upgraded IFF
• F3.3' standard (2013/05/01)
• • GBU-24
  • AESA antenna compatibility with tranche 1, 2, 3 aircrafts
• F3.4+ standard (2014/12/01)
• • MGRS format GPS data input
  • Updated HUD safety symbology and warning
  • New take off abortion warning (max brake energy capability)
  • Real time ground following mode switch (radar-digital mapping)
• F3R standard (2018/10/01)
• • Meteor
  • Talios LDP
  • AGCAS
  • IFF mode 5/S
  • Link 16 upgrade
  • RBE-2 PESA upgrade
  • SPECTRA upgrade
  • AREOS pod upgrade
  • Full SBU-54 integration
  • AASM fuse programmation upgrade
  • GBU-16 integration
  • NARANG refueling pod
• F4.1 standard (2023 ?)
• • M88 "light"upgrade
  • Mica NG
  • SCALP-MLU or New SCALP ?
  • CONTACT radio
  • Satcom 2
  • MIDS-Link16 block upgrade 2
  • AASM upgrade
    • Block 4
    • Datalink
    • 2 new models : 500/1000 Kg
  • AASL
    • Smart Glider light
    • Smart Glider heavy
  • ASPTT (BAT 120 LG ?)
  • Active towed decoy (maybe on F4.2 ?)
  • GMTI on RBE2 AESA
  • Ultra high resolution SAR mode of RBE2 (maybe on F4.2 ?)
  • follow on PEA TRAGEDAC (passive detection improvement via aircraft networking and triangulation) (maybe on F4.2 ?)
  • High speed intra-fligt tactical data link
• F4.2 standard (2025 ?)
• • INCAS : Spectra improvement, with GaN
  • RBE-2 AESA upgrade
    • GaN antennae (with 2 side arrays added to the front antenna)
    • Ultra Haute Resolution SAR (if not on F4.1)
  • Active towed decoy (if not on F4.1)
  • new OSF IRST
  • New cockpit with bigger screens
  • Hardened weapon system architecture (follow on PEA CAPOEIRA)

 

[Filtercoffee]

Lol.
What do you mean 'explian us' ?. I meant number of squarons which would be 3 more after the 36 ordered, and another 3 as an option of 2 after those. I read that DH stands for Dual Hindustan, but no metion of the 'E' in EH, though H here is the same. But I persue E here as electronic. Thank you for this timeline post.

 

[WolfPack86]

National security compromised, enormous burden on exchequer, private party given financial benefit - @YashwantSinha @pbhushan1 and Arun Shourie claim on the #Rafale controversy.

 

[WolfPack86]

Frontal attack by Arun Shourie on Reliance Defence, says the company was under Rs 8,000 crore debt.

 

[WolfPack86]

Arun Shourie says it has not been disclosed who came up with the figure of 36 #Rafale when the IAF was looking for 126.

 

[WolfPack86]

True, but only at the time of execution of offsets. Which in the #Rafale case starts in September 2019, as per the contract signed

 

[WolfPack86]

Nobody in the air force was consulted to bring down the number of fighters bought from 126 to just 36, I have been told - @pbhushan1 on #Rafale

 

[WolfPack86]

Imported agents are working very had to derail Rafale fighter jet. I feel like punching them hard.

 

[mayfair]

Nobody in the airforce was consulted? pbhushan spoke to everyone in IAF?

 

[Armand2REP]

If you guys were doubting how good French ECM is, a Spanish Eurofighter launched an AIM-120C-7 at one of our M2000-5Fs on the Baltic patrol mission and it missed crashing into the ground. This is like rudimentary compared to the Spectra.

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

If you guys were doubting how good French ECM is, a Spanish Eurofighter launched an AIM-120C-7 at one of our M2000-5Fs on the Baltic patrol mission and it missed crashing into the ground. This is like rudimentary compared to the Spectra.

Why would Spain try to attack France? What was the context?

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

If you guys were doubting how good French ECM is, a Spanish Eurofighter launched an AIM-120C-7 at one of our M2000-5Fs on the Baltic patrol mission and it missed crashing into the ground. This is like rudimentary compared to the Spectra.

Why would Spain try to attack France? What was the context?

 

[sorcerer]

Rafale contract allegations are unfounded, says Reliance Defence president Rajesh K Dhingra

Rajesh K Dhingra, president, Reliance Defence & Aerospace, defends his company on the Rafale controversy after Congress chief Rahul Gandhi’s charges of nepotism. In an interaction with Manu Pubby, he details what the Dassault Reliance Aerospace (DRAL) JV will produce, how offsets for the Rafale deal will be rolled out and how focus is on Falcon executive jet and not the

fighter aircraft
.

Congress says Reliance Defence has benefitted from a Rs 30,000-crore contract from the defence ministry (MoD), related to offsets for 36 Rafale aircraft...

Reliance Defence or any other Reliance company has not received any contract from the MoD till date related to 36 Rafale aircraft. This is absolutely unfounded. It will be good to understand that as per the defence procurement policy, the foreign vendor has a choice to submit the details of its offset partners at the time of claiming offset credits. In this case, offset obligations are due only after September 2019. It is, therefore, possible that MoD has no formal communication from Dassault about choice of its partners for the offsets.

The Opposition alleges that Reliance was selected due to proximity to the government.

As per the procurement policy, the MoD has no role in selection of Indian Partners by the foreign vendors. This has been position right from 2005 when offsets were first introduced. In more than 50 offset contracts signed till date, the same process has been followed. Therefore, it is a deliberate attempt to mislead. Dassault is required to inform the MoD about its offset partners at the time of claiming credits, which I am sure they will do. Exact share of each company involved in the offset contracts will be known only after completion of offset obligations by Dassault, Thales, Safran,

MBDA
and others.

It is also being pointed out that Reliance has no experience in making fighter aircraft?

We should get our facts right. There are no fighter aircraft to be made as part of this contract as all aircraft are to be delivered as ‘Fly Away’ from France. No company in India, except HAL has the experience of making fighter aircraft. In any case, Reliance will be participating in offset program through DRAL. Dassault hold 49% in the company and brings with this 90 years of Aerospace manufacturing experience, thereby positioning DRAL as most qualified vendor.

What will the JV with Dassault do in India for offsets said to be worth over Rs 30,000 crore?

Dassault share of offsets is approximately 25% with remaining offset obligations being shared by Thales, Safran, MBDA and others. Therefore, the basic premise of Dassault givingRs 30,000 crore of offset contract to Reliance is totally unfounded. Dassault and its suppliers have already indicated more than 100 Indian companies that will participate in offset contracts. DRAL will not produce the Rafale jet in India. It will be making aero structures for the Falcon 2,000 executive jet and subsequently could assemble this commercial aircraft in India. This would be the first time that a commercial jet will be assembled in India.

It is being said Reliance Defence was incorporated days before announcement of the Rafale deal?

We incorporated three companies in December 2014. In February 2015, we publically announced our entry in the Defence segment in presence of hundreds of media persons at Aero India. Formal notification was sent to Stock Exchange in February 2015. Ten more companies were incorporated during January to April 2015. How can one link date of incorporation of Reliance Defence to announcement of Rafale purchase ?

The Congress has been questioning Anil Ambani’s presence in Paris at the time of announcement of the deal...

Mr Ambani is part of CEO’s Forum for France and also many other countries. He was in Paris because there was a meeting of CEOs Forum on the side lines of the Prime Minister’s visit. More than 25 other CEOs from the Indian companies were also present, including Chairman HAL

Read more at:
//economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/65316451.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

 

[Sancho]

Just add 36 for the IAF and the 90 for a line is reach.

Come on, I countered Pic and that claim back at IDF months ago, since we know what Eric Trappier said about the licence production:

Éric Trappier, CEO of Dassault Aviation, while speaking on the sidelines of the 11th edition of the Aero-India said: “We are pushing for more orders. The existing order of 36 is not big enough to have transfer of technology...

...On being asked what could be an ideal number for making in India, Trappier pointed to the original tender that was for 126 twin-engine jets. “It will be good if we get an order of some 200, including 36 of the existing IAF order and the Navy needs,” Trappier said in an interaction with a select media group. We need to know how many more we get. On being asked if what will be cost reduction for India, Trappier said, “That will be fresh negotiation.”

https://www.tribuneindia.com/mobi/n...-india-says-dassault-aviation-ceo/364474.html

 

[Sancho]

Excellent report by Manu Pubby again

 

[Armand2REP]

The CAG report revealed that the Rafale was more expensive than Eurofighter once the 2.7X of man hours required by HAL was added to it. The HAL hours were never applied to Eurofighter because it never made it to that level of negotiations. If it did Rafale would still have been L1. The real revelation is the UPI corruption in the P-8I deal.

 

[sthf]

The real revelation is the UPI corruption in the P-8I deal.

Doubtful. A working, functioning state of the art P-8 against a non-existent Airbus platform with uncertain future and unknown capabilities. There is no competetion, regardless of whether Airbus was L1 or its bid was inflated.

CAG are auditors, they good at their job which is counting. Making sense of military technologies is beyond their scope.

 

[Armand2REP]

Doubtful. A working, functioning state of the art P-8 against a non-existent Airbus platform with uncertain future and unknown capabilities. There is no competetion, regardless of whether Airbus was L1 or its bid was inflated.

CAG are auditors, they good at their job which is counting. Making sense of military technologies is beyond their scope.

India would not have to pay for development of the platform, any costs outside of the bid would have been eaten by Airbus. CAG revealed that P-8I did not have to include the cost of 20 years of support where Airbus did to get L1.

 

[sthf]

India would not have to pay for development of the platform, any costs outside of the bid would have been eaten by Airbus.

How come? IN ordered P8 in 2009, Airbus MPA has no firm orders in 2018 and it is still on the drawing board with no first flight in sight. So either Airbus is having technical dificulties or is waiting France and Germany or any other customer like India for example to pony up the development costs. Either way, bad option for India and probably bad for France and Germany too.

P8 is a much bigger program backed by US Navy. I am pretty sure that qualifies as a major advantage in itself, atleast for India.

CAG revealed that P-8I did not have to include the cost of 20 years of support where Airbus did to get L1.

Boeing is offering support for additional cost. Airbus MPA doesn't exist.

Saab has been trying to do the exact same thing. A more cost effective but then non existent Gripen E vs proven Rafale which was flying in 100s.

India made right choice in both cases.