Know Your 'Rafale'

[Drsomnath999]

thats a great analysis doc.
Now about your 6th
point.
I have heard of two-three
listing posts jointly held by
the French and India in
Indian-Ocean region.
I will try to find it and
post it.

well talks were happening much before ,and this deal would give us a boost to india's request of using french naval bases in the region

 

[p2prada]

^^^^ Rofl.

Now the British are blaming the Germans for the failure and are hoping for Dassault to fuk things up.

 

[nitesh]

IAF is increasing its Squadron limits..

Yes, thx kunal, you bought this point out, 39.5 is not the strength IAF wanted, they wanted 45 squadrons, but now this figure needs to be revised and we need close to 60 combat ready squadrons to go offensive on 2 front. The steps are already in that direction, may be we will soon see the increase in number of sanctioned squadrons strength for IAF too in line of increase in IA strength.

 

[sathya]

Ok will make it simple.

Gripen NG upgrades



"¢ Increased range
"¢ Increased MTOW
"¢ Added weapons stores
"¢ Increased thrust
"¢ NORA AESA (Active Electronic Scanning Array)
"¢ MIDAS (Multifunction Defensive Avionics System)
"¢ Enhanced EWS
"¢ Advanced rear cockpit
"¢ Enhanced NCW
"¢ Full capability HMD
"¢ GCAS
"¢ Satellite Comms
"¢ Jammer Pod Integration
"¢ Improved LCC
"¢ Overall increased basic performance
"¢ More Internal Fuel, New Landing Gear
"¢ Increased Payload
"¢ Centerline pylon is complemented by two pylons for heavy stores
"¢ New main landing gear (Increased take-off and landing masses)
"¢ New Engine
"¢ Communications
"¢ Advanced data communication with FAC and other ground units
"¢ Electronic Warfare
"¢ Enhanced MAW
"¢ JSM (NSM), SDB"¦
"¢ Gripen D cockpit with some enhancements
"¢OTIS-IRS-T system
"¢ Avionics Structure Rig Demo
"¢ New computers
"¢ Advanced internal communications



What is in paper????:shocked:

i just hope our neighbour doesnt buy these..
its cheaper
compatible with saab awacs
has single engine ( our neighbour always go for single engine )

 

[sathya]

Even the D version was heard came third after EFT and Raffy in trials.

NG is relatively new and they did bring 2 of them to Bangalore..

If the D was this much good, wonder what N can do.

yup India even extended timeline to see NG capabilities.

a single demonstrator developed with only few flights logged came.

its development would have been accelerated only if it had won the deal..

 

[p2prada]

Gripen has superlative maneuvering. It can out maneuver anything flying in the sky today including F-22s and Rafales.

 

[sathya]

May be there's a consideration in IAF or MoD that due to the huge delay in the MMRCA deal, the planned induction process which would have maintained the depleting fleet level would not work with single vendor now. Sourcing another plane from another vendor would reduce the required timeline by almost half or 1/3, as HAL has to come up with infrastructure to handle the additional task. Our force level is going to be seriously low in near future. Just a thought.

extension of the same thought..

bringing in private players into aerospace industry, will hit many mangoes in one stone..
like TATA with SAAB

btw after Rafale deal i doubt how much newer tech even EFT can offer ..
if rafale selected again, we can ask even core technologies..
others wont bring in much. newer tech. in which case numbers in fast is going to be important..

 

[sathya]

Gripen has superlative maneuvering. It can out maneuver anything flying in the sky today including F-22s and Rafales.

what is that ?

i thought su 30 mki with 2d tvc is the best, may be 3d tvc can beat it.. how come grippen with no tvc.. ?

 

[sathya]

rafale with GE f414 engine , Will france agree for that ?

it will make kaveri development go nowhere..

 

[Armand2REP]

Mr Lake said: "I would suspect when the Indians probe hard into the French price they will find that it is not satisfactory and hasn't included things."

What does Mr. Lake think India has been doing for the last year? Playing tiddly winks? Rafale came out cheaper by Rs. 10,000 crore.

 

[Armand2REP]

rafale with GE f414 engine , Will france agree for that ?

it will make kaveri development go nowhere..

GE414 doesn't fit and isn't worth it to try. Far cheaper just to develop M88-3.

 

[bhramos]

Rafale Started fighter production for India!!!!
in such a hurry.!!!!

 

[plugwater]

Rafale Started fighter production for India!!!!
in such a hurry.!!!!

Don't spread false news!!

 

[sayareakd]

Rafale Started fighter production for India!!!!
in such a hurry.!!!!

no this is some secret facility in India manned by Frenchmen.

 

[nrj]

Rafale Started fighter production for India!!!!
in such a hurry.!!!!

Are you high?

 

[Armand2REP]

India: the Rafale was 15 to 20% cheaper than the Eurofighter

Inde : le Rafale était 15 à 20% moins cher que l'Eurofighter

 

[Param]

Rafale Started fighter production for India!!!!
in such a hurry.!!!!

You would have been a great Copy Editor for TOI !

 

[sathya]

Its going to take almost a year to only sign the contract...
Damn, waiting.. waiting.. waiting..

 

[p2prada]

what is that ?

i thought su 30 mki with 2d tvc is the best, may be 3d tvc can beat it.. how come grippen with no tvc.. ?

Superlative = Of the highest order, quality, or degree; surpassing or superior to all others.

TVC gives high AoA and greater stability during rolls. That in no way compensates for the greater maneuverability offered by Gripen simply because of it's airframe design. Gripen with TVC will be even better.

The flanker maneuvers better than the F-16Block 52. But not as good as Gripen.

Comparatively the EF-2000 is a better dog fighter than the 2D TVC equipped F-22. But the F-22s acceleration and corner speeds cannot be compared to any other fighter currently. Only EF, Eagle and Flanker can be compared.

Gripen is a great replacement for our Mig-21s, but not as good as Rafale in order to replace strike fighters. EF has the same problem, it provides greater capability in air to air while nearly zero capability in strike.

What does Mr. Lake think India has been doing for the last year? Playing tiddly winks? Rafale came out cheaper by Rs. 10,000 crore.

Are you quite sure because there is nothing about it in our media? It is too early to talk about price. The 15-20% figure seems like speculation because we don't know how much the deal alone will cost. Latest figures say it's around $650Million and not $2Billion.

 

[arundo]

GE414 doesn't fit and isn't worth it to try. Far cheaper just to develop M88-3.

Armand, do you have some information on possible development of a 90 kn M88 by SNECMA and integration on Rafale ? I've read that the engine itself wouldn't be such a challenge, but the price of its integration may require some modifications of the plane and therefore amount to several hundred million €... I think that it could be helpful in the future, close the gap to some competitors and convince the last skeptics.
How realistic is that, according to you?