Know Your 'Rafale'

[smestarz]

They did have the exercise where Su-30MKI beat Rafale hands down.. forgot so easily?

bullshit.
Rafale is not induce in India, so your claim is just irrelevant.

 

[smestarz]

With carrier like Juan Carlos and Cavour, it can carry 6.8 tons of war load, thats enough..

It already has enough payload restrictions without a catapult, to do a straight vertical takeoff would restrict its payload to about... nothing.

 

[smestarz]

Pratt & Whitney F135 afterburner turbofan engine rated at 125kN of dry thrust. The engine can produce 191.3kN of thrust afterburner. Thats almost same or more than what two engines of Rafale bring on dont they?
Its just that Rafale cannot take of or land vertically tsk tsk

It already has enough payload restrictions without a catapult, to do a straight vertical takeoff would restrict its payload to about... nothing.

 

[smestarz]

Armaments

The F-35B is fitted with a 25mm GAU-22A Gatling cannon which has 220 rounds per gun of firing capacity. It has two internal weapon pods and four external underwing hardpoints to expand its mission lethality.

The aircraft can carry 6,803kg of weaponry payload. It is equipped with AIM-120C AMRAAM medium range air to air missiles, air to surface missiles, two GBU-32 JDAM guided bombs, six GBU-38 bombs and munitions dispensers.

What it can carry is enough tot take down a few Rafales without the Rafales knowing .. i guess thats good enough

It already has enough payload restrictions without a catapult, to do a straight vertical takeoff would restrict its payload to about... nothing.

 

[Armand2REP]

With carrier like Juan Carlos and Cavour, it can carry 6.8 tons of war load, thats enough..

Juan Carlos and Cavour have a flight deck with a ski ramp, you are talking about doing a vertical take off.

 

[smestarz]

So, you mean to say that plane cannot do a VTOL from a ski jump carrier?
BTW having F-35B can make LHD almost as powerful as an actual aircraft carrier

Juan Carlos and Cavour have a flight deck with a ski ramp, you are talking about doing a vertical take off.

 

[Armand2REP]

So, you mean to say that plane cannot do a VTOL from a ski jump carrier?
BTW having F-35B can make LHD almost as powerful as an actual aircraft carrier

If it takes off straight vertical it has no payload. It requires a running start and a ski jump to take a combat load. If it had a full runway it could take off with its max load.

 

[Armand2REP]

Sale of more Rafale jets high on French President Macron’s India agenda

New Delhi, March 7

Notwithstanding the controversy in India over the purchase of 36 Rafale fighter jets, the French are going to push New Delhi for a follow-on order of 100 or more of such warplanes under ‘Make in India’ during the visit of French President Emmanuel Macron.

The bilateral summit-level meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Macron will take place on Saturday. While all issues concerning India-France Strategic Partnership will be discussed, cooperation in defence is going to be the main focus from the French side, sources told BusinessLine.

Macron, on a three-day visit, will be accompanied by CEOs of almost all top French defence firms. This includes the chief of Dassault Aviation Eric Trappier; Chairman and CEO of Naval Group Hervé Guillou; Thales CEO Patrice Caine; and Safran Group CEO Philippe Petitcolin.

The follow-on order for 100-150 more Rafale jets is likely to be one of the topmost items in Macron’s agenda.

According to diplomatic sources, the French are treating the recent controversy around the purchase of 36 Rafale aircraft as an “internal political matter” of India.

The French are pushing India to go for another programme where Rafale will set up a production line here to address the needs of the Indian Air Force as well as augment defence exports from India.

Although India signed the $7.8-billion deal to acquire 36 Rafale jets, manufactured by Dassault Aviation, in fly-away condition with the previous French government, the present Macron administration has also been pushing to expand the deal.

During the visit of French Defence Minister Florence Parly to India in October last year, the issue of a follow-on order for Rafale was taken up. However, India has remained non-committal on the matter.

The French are also going to push for a follow-on order for three or more Scorpene-class submarines during the talks. This will be over and above the six Scorpene submarines that are being developed in India at a cost of $3.75 billion under the Indian Navy’s P75 programme by Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Ltd (MDL) under technology transfer from Naval Group, sources added.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...t-macrons-india-agenda-ep/article22970346.ece

 

[Tactical Frog]

I would say that there is a high probability of Rafale demonstrating their skills in Syria looking at Twitter reports of new chemical attack in Damascus (Eastern Ghouta) tonight.

EDIT : if any of it can be confirmed ...

 

[asianobserve]

I would say that there is a high probability of Rafale demonstrating their skills in Syria looking at Twitter reports of new chemical attack in Damascus (Eastern Ghouta) tonight.

EDIT : if any of it can be confirmed ...

Yawn... Assad has been gassing civilians for years now. France should have struck Damascus with Rafale by now. The Syrian-Russian AD integration has just made Rafale's work more difficult.

 

[WolfPack86]

186 Rafales in IAF?

French President Macron coming to India eying several military deals. 100-150 more Rafale jets is likely to be one of the topmost items in Macron’s agenda.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamINDRA/photos/?ref=page_internal

 

[WolfPack86]

It makes sense to order more Rafales for Indian Air force and Indian Navy instead of issuing tender again.

 

[BON PLAN]

Very relevant, The reason is that it cannot be armed as much as Rafale of F/A-18
But it sure can be used from even helicopter carrier which are cheaper to buy and use.
So where Rafale can be purchased by only few countries that have CATOBAR carrier, F-35B can be carried by ships of Spain, Thailand, Italian cavour.. That helps their flexibility.
Thus if say Italy wants a naval option, With Rafale and F-18 they will need to invest in CATOBAR carrier thus the cost of purchase of a plane becomes planes + carrier, but for F-35. they can use their existing Cavour and thats why its relevant

a VTOL plane (VTOL if used from helo carrier) can only achieved air to air mission. And the carrier must be studied for the very hot plume generated by the F35 engine. It's not the case for most.

On the other side, SU27, Rafale, Mig29, SH18 can be used in STOBAR. It's a medium term.

 

[BON PLAN]

They did have the exercise where Su-30MKI beat Rafale hands down.. forgot so easily?

1) Source for that (already requested so may times ago).
2) The indian were so disapointed that they ordered.... the Rafale !!!

 

[BON PLAN]

With carrier like Juan Carlos and Cavour, it can carry 6.8 tons of war load, thats enough..

are you sure of that? .

 

[Immanuel]

186 Rafales in IAF?

French President Macron coming to India eying several military deals. 100-150 more Rafale jets is likely to be one of the topmost items in Macron’s agenda.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamINDRA/photos/?ref=page_internal

No deal for additional Rafales will happen before elections next year are over. Moreso, we can probably allocate money for another 36 for IAF + 57 for Navy, taking the total to 129. This could only happen if IN & IAF agree to buy the same jet by understanding without trials of the Rafale or realistically the Super Hornet outperforms the Rafale in carrier ops in trials and 36 Rafales come and 57 SH block-3s for IN. Eitherway there will be atleast 36 more Rafales in IAF eventually.

 

[sthf]

Sale of more Rafale jets high on French President Macron’s India agenda

Highly doubtful and doesn't make much sense.

• So far not a single Rafale has been delivered so India doesn't know of the operational challenges first hand.
• Opposition and its media whores are bitching and moaning about "the deal" and will continue to do so. They think it has the potential to be the next Bofors scandal and we all know what happened in it's aftermath.
• Since no trials of Rafale M has taken place, its not just premature speculation but an absurd one.

That being said 36+57 Rafales is a mouth watering proposition for both France and India. It all depends on the greed of DA.

 

[Immanuel]

https://theaviationist.com/tag/f-35b-stovl/page/2/

People keep forgetting, the F-35A/B/C are still stealthier than the any other 4.5 gen aircraft even with external payload. It's standard EW suite is good enough to keep a very low profile and can carry plenty of payload. The F-35's Internal load is perfectly fine to operate for most LHDs including from INS Vikramaditya and future IAC-1/2 and hopefully the Juan Carlos LPDs which I hope IN orders. By Block-4, the F-35 will be deploying among the widest set of modern weapons from US, Israel, Norway, Japan etc including Meteor, Derby-ER, SDB, Asraams, JSM. If a Rafale can sneak in and hit targets the F-35 can only do it way better.

 

[pankaj nema]

Sale Of More Rafale Jets High On French President Macron’s India Agenda
https://defenceaviationpost.com/sale-rafale-jets-high-french-president-macrons-india-agenda/

 

[Armand2REP]

No deal for additional Rafales will happen before elections next year are over. Moreso, we can probably allocate money for another 36 for IAF + 57 for Navy, taking the total to 129. This could only happen if IN & IAF agree to buy the same jet by understanding without trials of the Rafale or realistically the Super Hornet outperforms the Rafale in carrier ops in trials and 36 Rafales come and 57 SH block-3s for IN. Eitherway there will be atleast 36 more Rafales in IAF eventually.

I don't think the president of France would go all the way to India unless something was going to be signed. That is why he has a plethora of ministers to go before him. Maybe it is Rafale, maybe it is Scorpene, maybe it is both. He wouldn't go just to be told off.