Know Your 'Rafale'

[smestarz]

Unfortunately seems that the french are begging the Indians to buy 36 planes are per this article
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/fra...-talks-for-another-36-rafale-fighters-1822171

France Wanted India To Announce Talks For 36 More Rafale Fighters
Sources in the Defence Ministry told NDTV there is no immediate decision likely till the first tranche of Rafales start arriving in 2019.
All India| Written byVishnu Som|Updated: March 10, 2018 17:00 IST

The acquisition of the Rafale fighter jets for the Indian Air Force has been mired in controversy.

NEW DELHI:
HIGHLIGHTS

1. French defence minister wrote to Nirmala Sitharaman last month
2. She wanted talks for more Rafales to be announced during Macron's visit
3. Government sources say talks likely after first Rafales arrive next year

A letter from the French Defence Minister Florence Parly addressed to her Indian counterpart Nirmala Sitharaman on February 26 indicates that the French government was keen to announce that both countries are in talks for 36 more Rafale jets for the Indian Air Force.

This was, however, not announcedin the joint statementmade by Prime Minister Narendra Modi and the visiting French President Emmanuel Macronin New Delhi todayand it's unclear at what stage the talks presently lie.

In her letter to Ms Sitharaman, Florence Parly wrote, "As written by the President of the French Republic to the Prime Minister of India on 25th October 2017, we would like to initiate discussions on the proposal of providing an additional thirty-six aircraft to the Indian Air Force, with a very significant share of Make in India." Ms Parly added, "A message to this effect during the visit would be particularly appreciated."

Senior sources in the Ministry of Defence Ministry whom NDTV spoke to in the days prior to the visit of the French President have said that while New Delhi has not ruled out a further acquisition of Rafale fighters, there is no immediate decision likely till the first tranche of Rafales, which are already on order, start arriving in 2019. These jets were ordered in 2016 in a controversialRs.58,000-crore government-to-government deal between India and France.

The joint statement by PM Modi and President Macron did not mention the talks for additional Rafales.

As far as the existing contract is concerned, "the construction of the aircraft intended for the Indian Air Force is progressing according to schedule" wrote Ms Parly in her letter. She added that France remains committed to fulfilling its offset commitments as part of the deal whereby manufacturing and other technology will be transferred to India as part of the overall deal worked out between both countries. "With regard to offsets, French companies are determined to establish long-term partnerships with public and private Indian companies. They have advanced. Thus, the Nagpur production unit should be able to manufacture the first components in spring."

a staggering loss ofRs.12,632 crore'' since ''India is clearly paying an extra price ofRs.350.90 crore per aircraft'' compared to what Qatar and Egypt are paying for jets they have ordered from Dassault, the manufacturer of the Rafale. These claims have been vociferously countered in the past with Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman recently telling reporters, "Don't compare it (the Rafale deal) with Bofors. There is no scam here."

Macron says the details of the Rafale deal could not be disclosed for "strategic reasons" ie nuclear reasons.

The interests of people of India were "well defended" by the Indian government "from an economic point of view and a strategic point of view" in the procurement of 36 Rafale fighter jets, Macron added.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...eveal-details-macron/articleshow/63223249.cms

 

[WolfPack86]

Let's first batch of Rafale come to India in 2019 then we will order another 36 more Rafale.

 

[Babloo Singh]

Let's first batch of Rafale come to India in 2019 then we will order another 36 more Rafale.

We will order another 36, when France / Safran delivers on their promise regarding Kaveri.
I guess it was agreed before hand... once they deliver Kaveri we will place order for next Lot of Rafale.

 

[undeadmyrmidon]

We will order another 36, when France / Safran delivers on their promise regarding Kaveri.
I guess it was agreed before hand... once they deliver Kaveri we will place order for next Lot of Rafale.

Rafale Lot 2 >>>>> Kaveri Engine

 

[smestarz]

They said, let the first batch come to India then we can see,
You can take the positive of this uncertainty surely.
But at least there is a clarify that,,, Till 2019, possibly we are talking almost 2020 early, there might not be any talk of ".. 36 more Rafales ... " etc

Let's first batch of Rafale come to India in 2019 then we will order another 36 more Rafale.

 

[smestarz]

What India needs its Kaveri, once we have Kaveri and we have its IP we can develop and produce Tejas as it was supposed to be a premium single engine fighter plane, There would be countries willing to buy them like Vietnam and Malaysia for their point defence requirements, Perhaps the speed with development of AMCA will have the boost because the uncertainty of the engine wont be there.

We will order another 36, when France / Safran delivers on their promise regarding Kaveri.
I guess it was agreed before hand... once they deliver Kaveri we will place order for next Lot of Rafale.

 

[Armand2REP]

We will order another 36, when France / Safran delivers on their promise regarding Kaveri.
I guess it was agreed before hand... once they deliver Kaveri we will place order for next Lot of Rafale.

There is a piece of paper held by Safran waiting for Modi's signature, all he has to do is sign it.

 

[Sancho]

The IAF Chief represents the best interests of the IAF. Those do not change with a new Chief.

Very true! That's why the Air Chiefs since the early 2000s keep stating the need for 126 MRCA.
Or why Dhanoa and his predecessor Raha confirmed, that IAF wants 126 MMRCAs, but not necessarily Rafales!
Or why Air Chief Browne was against a split of the requirement into 2 or more types.
Or why Air Chief Dhanoa stated last year, that IAFs priority is to make up numbers and want a follow order for Rafales only later, if there is a budget for them.

But then again, not the Air Chiefs are decidIng about procurements. Sometimes politicians put their own interests above the best interests of the IAF and the Air Chiefs have to deal with the created mess.

 

[undeadmyrmidon]

Very true! That's why the Air Chiefs since the early 2000s keep stating the need for 126 MRCA.
Or why Dhanoa and his predecessor Raha confirmed, that IAF wants 126 MMRCAs, but not necessarily Rafales!
Or why Air Chief Browne was against a split of the requirement into 2 or more types.
Or why Air Chief Dhanoa stated last year, that IAFs priority is to make up numbers and want a follow order for Rafales only later, if there is a budget for them.

But then again, not the Air Chiefs are decidIng about procurements. Sometimes politicians put their own interests above the best interests of the IAF and the Air Chiefs have to deal with the created mess.

Rafales or bust seems to be the agenda. Better than some dogshit F 16s.

 

[WolfPack86]

India & France In Talks For 36 More Rafales?
https://twitter.com/livefist?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

 

[WolfPack86]

BREAKING: India & France In Talks For 36 More Rafales?

 

[WolfPack86]

Dassault CEO Eric Trappier on the price confidentiality in the #Rafale.
https://twitter.com/livefist?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

 

[Tactical Frog]

Unfortunately seems that the french are begging the Indians to buy 36 planes are per this article

When France pushes for Rafale : Beggars !

When Moscow pushes for Su-35 : « From Russia with Love » , hugs

When US pushes for F-16, F/18, F-35 : wow, superpower tallks to us !


This is so unfair. I need holidays

 

[WolfPack86]

When France pushes for Rafale : Beggars !

When Moscow pushes for Su-35 : « From Russia with Love » , hugs

When US pushes for F-35 : wow, superpower tallks to us !


This is so unfair. I need holidays

Is Dassault started manufacturing Rafales for India?.

 

[Tactical Frog]

Of course ! It takes 24 months for the full manufacturing and testing process.

This video has very nice footage of final assembly and testing at Merignac (first 3-4 minutes). Sorry that there are no English subs . But images speak for themselves.

 

[sthf]

You forget that the current president of the US is the largest protectionist since Calvin Coolidge, who caused the Great Depression.

Regardless of what Trumpets believe Trump is not a man of his words. His "plans" for American steel in Keystone XL pipeline fizzled out very quickly.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/03/news/companies/trump-keystone-pipeline-american-steel/index.html

Indian steel is a very minute part of India-US trade. Same goes for Trump's bombast over Harley-Davidson.

The U.S. ranked seventh in the list of Indian steel exports.

The Export Import Data Bank maintained by the Department of Commerce reveals that in 2016-17, India traded iron and steel worth ₹2,211 crore with the U.S. This represents only 0.78% of the aggregate trade between the two countries. India has a trade surplus of ₹133,352.61 with the U.S., its second largest trade partner after China.

http://www.thehindu.com/business/Ec...fect-indian-manufacturers/article23032560.ece

US runs its largest "services deficit" with India against any other country and that is not going to change anytime soon if ever. Indians are now in a good position vis-a-vis immigration. Republicans want skilled immigrants and Democrats want all immigrants. Indians qualify for both.

 

[smestarz]

that is basically what we call French arrogance, and you wonder why the majority of the world speaks English?
Deals do not happen in the stupid way you suggest, Modi might suggest to roll the paper... lol, you know what happens next, has happened to you a lot of time

There is a piece of paper held by Safran waiting for Modi's signature, all he has to do is sign it.

 

[smestarz]

At least two of our last Air chiefs represented corruption and perhaps not the best interest of IAF
When a basic trainer is purchased and that too without Zero Zero ejection seat which denotes basic pilot safety, that does talk a lot about "best interest of IAF" and it is the same air chief who talked a lot about safety record of MiG-21.
So when you talk of IAF chief representing the best interest of IAF,. I would point you to look at
a) VVIP chopper scam
b) Pilatus trainer.
At least there are many who are convinced that IAF chied represents best of kickbacks they can get,

The IAF Chief represents the best interests of the IAF. Those do not change with a new Chief. They have gone on record for several years the requirement for at least 72 Rafale and an original requirement for 128. You forget that the Rafale went up against all of the contenders and beat them in a transparent and fair competition. The government priority after the wishes of the IAF is to Make in India. There is nothing of the F-35 programme left to be made with so many promises to other nations. India will choose that which fits the Make in India policy.

 

[Mikesingh]

Stunning Photography and an equally stunning display of the Rafale!

How was this photographed? See in full screen.....

 

[smestarz]

IAF pilots know what they like IAF chief knows what their pilots like and also what can pay them more
The politicians know most of it,
Now IAF was supposed to be a professional force but the VVIP chopper scam and also Pilatis scam
IAF uses its planes from land bases and not carrier, and so the weight class does not become important, what becomes important is the roles,
Russian air force, does it have Light class ? American air force does it have a light class?
Most professional air forces go by the roles of the planes even the French, but its only the IAF which categories on weight class , I guess the IAF chiefs would have been transport pilots before.,.

Very true! That's why the Air Chiefs since the early 2000s keep stating the need for 126 MRCA.
Or why Dhanoa and his predecessor Raha confirmed, that IAF wants 126 MMRCAs, but not necessarily Rafales!
Or why Air Chief Browne was against a split of the requirement into 2 or more types.
Or why Air Chief Dhanoa stated last year, that IAFs priority is to make up numbers and want a follow order for Rafales only later, if there is a budget for them.

But then again, not the Air Chiefs are decidIng about procurements. Sometimes politicians put their own interests above the best interests of the IAF and the Air Chiefs have to deal with the created mess.