Know Your 'Rafale'

p2prada

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why the drama, for next 80 aircrafts.. ?
i strongly believe next 80 will be rafale.. unless signed otherwise.
in rare chance can EFT be selected ? new logistics, maintenance will make it more expensive..
There is no separate tender for the 80 aircraft. It is just the additional options for the MRCA aircraft once the contract is signed. The 80 aircraft may happen and the final number will be decided in the contract. Once the contract is singed, the 80 additional options may be exercised sometime after 2015, once production has progressed somewhat. That's why the potential number is 200 Rafale.

It's like how the MKI program shot up from 190 to 270 with 5 contracts of 50+140+(18MKI - 18MK)+40+42. Keep an X amount extra to recover from any crash during production. The contract for 140 MKIs came with an option for 40 more aircraft.

There is no real point in launching a tender for just 80 aircraft. That's makes no sense.

It's different if the tender is for the Navy. That's for another thread and a topic of discussion for another day.
 

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Big time.

They are linking an aid package to a defence deal. It was different had they provided a $25 Billion aid package and expected an EF deal worth $20Billion + 40Billion in return. Jokers think their $1.5Billion is the same as our $ 60Billion.

Somebody teach them math.

is there anyway to pacify the Europeans with deals other than MMRCA ?
Who cares? They lost. They aren't your girlfriends who need to be chased after every little argument.
 

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No such thing like a different plane for 80 more aircraft will happen

In India ONCE we INVEST in a system we use it for decades

The Mig 21,Mig 27 , Jaguar , Mig 29 and Mirage 2000 are all examples of the LONG periods for which we
use a particular system

Rafale; PAK FA ;Su 30 mki will take care of all our needs

Total 300 SU 30 mki ; 200 Rafales and 250 PAK FA s will come in
 

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is there anyway to pacify the Europeans with deals other than MMRCA ?

like refueller, artillery, passenger aircrafts like we ordered around 15 billion $ from USA

btw when will India announce RFP for the next 80.. current deal itself will take 1 year..
Yup.. We can write "Made In Germany/UK" in the fighters we make in HAL.

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French Rafale out of race for IAF fighters - Indian Express


Rafale Kicked out of MRCA


In a shocker, the French Rafael fighter has been knocked off a $ 10 billion contract to provide 126 combat aircraft for the Indian Air Force. The French fighter, which was one of the six contenders for the race, was officially rejected by the Defence Ministry for failing to meet qualitative requirements for the contract.
The news comes as a bit of a shock as the Indian Air Force has been maintaining that all six contenders – the American F 18 and F 16, the Eurofighter Typhoon, Russian MiG 35, Swedish Gripen NG and the French fighter – had met the technical requirements.
However, a senior defence ministry official made is clear on Thursday that Rafael has been rejected at the technical evaluation stage for failing to meet minimum performance requirements that had been detailed in the tender document. The flight trials for the remaining five fighters are now expected to commence within three months, a senior MoD official said.
"They did not meet the requirements and will not proceed to the next stage. We hope to begin trials within three months with the others that have qualified," a top Defence Ministry official said.
While the French fighter was always considered an underdog in the competition, which has been described as the largest international defence contract in the world, it was been aggressively pushed by the French government. Former President Jacques Chirac and his successor Nichols Sarkozy have been talking about the fighter in all their interactions with India.


Interestingly, a separate contract, valued at close to $ 2 billion, for the upgrade of IAF's Mirage fighter fleet has also been stuck for several months with India and France stuck in commercial negotiations. While the IAF requires an urgent upgrade, the excessive price being quoted by France for the upgrade of over 50 fighters has been a dampener.
The early elimination of the Rafael too is being attributed by insiders to high costs and failing to respond to technical queries. While the commercial bids were to be opened at a later stage, the cost of the fighter has always been considerably more than most of its competitors.
Insiders also say that the ministry was not very happy with the replies it received on technical queries that had been sent after the French company submitted its technical bid. Sources say that the `half hearted' replies and failure to provide enough information were factors that were considered in the fighter's elimination from the second round of evaluations.

The fighter had also been missing from the bi annual Aero India military aircraft exposition that takes place in Bangalore while all its competitors were showcasing their fighters.

what was this all about?^^^
 

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^^^ Well Later it had turned out that there were some lobbies at work

Most likely the Brits must have done this dirty trick

Because the explanations that followed this controversy about Rafale
were unconvincing and it looked like there were interested parties
within our own MOD for one or the other plane

When so much is at stake such dirty tricks will be played

And India's Past record of Lobbies and corruption means that SELLERS
will try to influence our officials and our purchases
 
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We need to learn french now if we want to effectively use the capability of this fighter.
 

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The Nick name for the RUSSIAN lobby in MOD is called the NATASHA lobby

It is the strongest and most well entrenched :lol:
 

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Our personnel ie Bureaucrats technocrats Pilots etc etc who will NOW frequently go to France
will simply fall in love with France

And LIKE it happened in Russia some HONEYTRAPS will be waiting for OUR people :lol:

Ahh PARIS !!! Simply lovely and enchanting
 

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did we get TOT for M2K ??? what if people dont understand what are the instructions in French language ??
Must be in English. If Chinese can write English manuals in lego toys.....french can write ToT in english.

Or are u saying we delayed the MRCA decision after translating that 1000 pager given last year,because it was written in French ...:heh:
 

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oh you mentioning about delay in scorpenes due 2 language prob
 

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There is no separate tender for the 80 aircraft. It is just the additional options for the MRCA aircraft once the contract is signed. The 80 aircraft may happen and the final number will be decided in the contract. Once the contract is singed, the 80 additional options may be exercised sometime after 2015, once production has progressed somewhat. That's why the potential number is 200 Rafale.

It's like how the MKI program shot up from 190 to 270 with 5 contracts of 50+140+(18MKI - 18MK)+40+42. Keep an X amount extra to recover from any crash during production. The contract for 140 MKIs came with an option for 40 more aircraft.

There is no real point in launching a tender for just 80 aircraft. That's makes no sense.

It's different if the tender is for the Navy. That's for another thread and a topic of discussion for another day.
exactly that was usual way..
why to announce that loosers can rebid in next 80 ? :stirpot:
 

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Has any other media report talked about 80 further ones?// why 80? 4 sqadrons + 8... why??? :why:


The only advantages it can bring is speedy squadron induction and retiring of MiGs. and the numbers advantage if the additional is cheap.
 

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