Know Your 'Rafale'

[sayareakd]

80 will be F35 after all uncle needs to be keep happy specially against Chines. This deal will give then good idea not to add useless conditions for use of offensive platforms in war or peacetime.

 

[SpArK]

80 will be F35 after all uncle needs to be keep happy specially against Chines. This deal will give then good idea not to add useless conditions for use of offensive platforms in war or peacetime.

But the amount associated with it will not only burn our back pockets ....but beyond it.

 

[weg]

Big time.

They are linking an aid package to a defence deal. It was different had they provided a $25 Billion aid package and expected an EF deal worth $20Billion + 40Billion in return. Jokers think their $1.5Billion is the same as our $ 60Billion.

Somebody teach them math.



Who cares? They lost. They aren't your girlfriends who need to be chased after every little argument.

Daily Mail readers are morons, no debate about that.

Still, India bought European, not US,and thats good for Europe. However, consolidating Europe around one fighter program - like the F-35 with its many partners - would mean twice as many Europe aircraft sold. This win may make the French go it alone again.

 

[sathya]

hope delay is due to adding nuclear reactor for those scorpenes subs and not due to language problem.

may be... is that the reason AIP is not sought for those.

 

[Armand2REP]

Daily Mail readers are morons, no debate about that.

Still, India bought European, not US,and thats good for Europe. However, consolidating Europe around one fighter program - like the F-35 with its many partners - would mean twice as many Europe aircraft sold. This win may make the French go it alone again.

The share of Rafale vs Eurofighter is evening out now. France is getting almost 300 and EF partners are only getting 400 something. That is one nation vs four. Global share seems to be exceeding total EF sales of about 500. Rafale in France and India will equal the same. UAE gives it the advantage and there are plenty more open tenders to win. Going it alone is turning out to be the right decision. The future sales of F-35 are anything but certain. Half the partners are looking at alternatives if the costs don't drop. The US is even considering dropping a variant.

 

[Tshering22]

The share of Rafale vs Eurofighter is evening out now. France is getting almost 300 and EF partners are only getting 400 something. That is one nation vs four. Global share seems to be exceeding total EF sales of about 500. Rafale in France and India will equal the same. UAE gives it the advantage and there are plenty more open tenders to win. Going it alone is turning out to be the right decision. The future sales of F-35 are anything but certain. Half the partners are looking at alternatives if the costs don't drop. The US is even considering dropping a variant.

TBH, it was that B variant of JSF that screwed up the entire program. Less payload, shortest wings of all 3 models, limited range and fuel etc are some reasons that screwed up the funding and timeframe. Their carrier variant, the C model has a god wingspan that would generate better lift than A or B. That should have been standard dimensions.

I think Rafale should market itself more aggressively to countries like Netherlands, Australia and Norway. While Norwegians might slip for a Gripen-NG or something, other two offer good potential to France as partners.

500 units from both you and us in total won't just cut it.

 

[SpArK]

Btwn .. US is sending a few peace pigeons to neighborhood.

Block 52+ F-16 serial no. #10801 and MLU F-16 #84731 en route to Pakistan.

Tell that JayAtl to get Jay Ho.

 

[Armand2REP]

TBH, it was that B variant of JSF that screwed up the entire program. Less payload, shortest wings of all 3 models, limited range and fuel etc are some reasons that screwed up the funding and timeframe. Their carrier variant, the C model has a god wingspan that would generate better lift than A or B. That should have been standard dimensions.

I think Rafale should market itself more aggressively to countries like Netherlands, Australia and Norway. While Norwegians might slip for a Gripen-NG or something, other two offer good potential to France as partners.

500 units from both you and us in total won't just cut it.

500 is not enough. We need 100 in Brasil, 60 in Kuwait and Qatar, 60 in UAE, 18 in Switzerland, 24 in Malaysia. We can still get up to 800 in foreseeable future..

 

[pankaj nema]

Btwn .. US is sending a few peace pigeons to neighborhood.

Block 52+ F-16 serial no. #10801 and MLU F-16 #84731 en route to Pakistan.

Tell that JayAtl to get Jay Ho.

The first tranche of new 18 F 16 has been completed and there is no news whether the options
of 18 more F 16 HAS been accepted by USA

Pak is having no hope for any MORE F 16

These must have gone for some technical work to the USA

MLU are the upgradation of old planes

 

[Nirvana]

Deal is off the table last I heard. OFB is building the Bofors instead.

OFB is Developing 155 mm Gun !! The M777 Deal is just Postponed - earlier it was thought off to be Signed by this Financial year but has been Postponed to next

May be by end of this year they can ink the deal

 

[p2prada]

flashback


French Rafale out of race for IAF fighters - Indian Express


Rafale Kicked out of MRCA

what was this all about?^^^

As mentioned by officials, this was a rumour.

 

[sathya]

Has any other media report talked about 80 further ones?// why 80? 4 sqadrons + 8... why??? :why:


The only advantages it can bring is speedy squadron induction and retiring of MiGs. and the numbers advantage if the additional is cheap.

i tried few, as such nothing concrete.. everything is assumption. here are the few

India's M-MRCA Fighter Competition: Rafale Contract Works

An Indian Express report even adds that:
"...government sources told Reuters about the $15 billion deal that France's Rafale jet was the likely winner, adding that the defence ministry was now considering buying another 80 or so jets and could invite bidders excluded from the current process to take part."

http://www.defencenews.in/defence-news-internal.asp?
get=new&id=1005
The defence ministry was now considering buying another 80 or so jets and could invite bidders excluded from the current process to take part.

 

[methos]

500 is not enough. We need 100 in Brasil, 60 in Kuwait and Qatar, 60 in UAE, 18 in Switzerland, 24 in Malaysia. We can still get up to 800 in foreseeable future..

The Swiss Bundesrat (=government) chose the Gripen, and it will stay with it. They decided it on 30.11.2011. Rafale and EF lost, that Dassault is wanting to sell does not change any facts and next elections are far away. Contract hasn't been made yet, but it is the same with India.
Brazil is not gonna buy 100 aircraft, but less. They also said that Gripen is ahead to other contenders.

 

[Nirvana]

Has any other media report talked about 80 further ones?// why 80? 4 sqadrons + 8... why??? :why:


The only advantages it can bring is speedy squadron induction and retiring of MiGs. and the numbers advantage if the additional is cheap.

How about 1 Sqdn of F-35 - To keep the Project Alive
1 Sqdn of F-18 - To make the Yankees Happy
1 Sqdn EFT - For the Brits
1 Sqdn Gripen
4 Mig 35 - So the Russian's wont complain
4 Jf-17 - so the Chinese get's Export Customer


Happy Ending !!

 

[panduranghari]

It may be because their over-reliance on US. They thought they need not do anything since US is there and stopped being themselves. I like India's attitude to be one's own-self and rely less on US or other countries. Self-reliance is always the best policy. This was the main reason of India's past prosperity and why whole of the Europe was looking for INDIA during 15th century.

I'm happy with their unhappiness with India's decision. It in a way is proving India's comeback.

Agreed. Britain far too long is still living in the past. Colonialism and all that. Its true.

 

[p2prada]

We need to learn french now if we want to effectively use the capability of this fighter.

Not really. We will get them to learn Sanskrit or English. We are the clients mate, we da big man. It has always been so, even with the Russians. What we say is law.

There are always clauses which can halt payments in case of unsatisfactory work on their parts.

exactly that was usual way..
why to announce that loosers can rebid in next 80 ?

Naa. Bad reporting. I don't think the journo knew what he was talking about.

 

[p2prada]

Nope we bunked classes..and demanded female tutor and french kiss, part of curriculum...

Damn, when I did my 11 and 12 I chose French only because we had this hot French teacher and the Hindi teachers were supposed to be losers:bs:. Unfortunately in my 12th the French teacher leaves , replaced by some old paan eating guy. Attendance was over 70% in the 11th. Attendance was less than 35% in my 12th.

Of course these are figures only for French classes. Overall attendance was around 50% for both years.

Damn I still remember her smile.

 

[p2prada]

Daily Mail readers are morons, no debate about that.

Still, India bought European, not US,and thats good for Europe. However, consolidating Europe around one fighter program - like the F-35 with its many partners - would mean twice as many Europe aircraft sold. This win may make the French go it alone again.

EADS still owns 46% of Dassault. So it's not a great loss.

 

[p2prada]

may be... is that the reason AIP is not sought for those.

Totally different reasons. AIP cannot be fitted on the Scorpenes being made as of today. Quite similar to how some aircraft cannot be fitted with the AESA radar, like the old Mig-29 and F-16 Block 50/52.

French is of little concern and they know more English than the Russians do. We are quite comfortable dealing with the Russians while the Pakistanis don't have problems with the Chinese. Language is never an issue, culture is. As long as culture issues are sorted out, then we won't have problems at all.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

The trials were not to make any country happy but to get the best plane with the best terms.