Know Your 'Rafale'

[TPFscopes]

There isn't anything super special with active cancellation, it is practically same as cover pulse jamming, just another form of deceptive jamming.Good pulse compression ,frequency hoping and PRF jittering will counter that rather easy.
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Everyone has their own aspects to achieve the goal. These may vary from person to person.

Not to offense you but the video is bad.

Hope to have something better from your end

Good day

 

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So ? Gold would reflect radar wave like any other metal. The only reason it was used is that it much easier to make a super thin semi-transparent gold layer

gold is a diamagnetic.....reflection part came only after absorbtion....

magentic lines tends to go away from diamagnetic materials , so the absorbtion part do not came , therefore no reflection....

in simple language diamagentic materials reples magnetic force of lines....

put a mobile under a gold cage , it will not recive signals , ....on the same logic , antenas never madeup of gold....

lets go back into history , the kings used to wear lots of gold , actually they are protecting their body/mind from earth magnetic field....

 

[StealthFlanker]

gold is a diamagnetic.....reflection part came only after absorbtion....

magentic lines tends to go away from diamagnetic materials , so the absorbtion part do not came , therefore no reflection....

in simple language diamagentic materials reples magnetic force of lines..antenas never madeup of gold

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Do you know what else is diamagnetic? Copper !
Wanna tell me how copper doesn't reflect radio wave or aren't used to make antenna?

Pretty much any material with good conductivity will make a good radio wave blocker/ or reflector and Copper and Gold are among the best conducting material we have

And FYI, gold is rarely used in big antenna because it is heavy and expensive, but it is very common for micro strip antenna.

put a mobile under a gold cage , it will not recive signals , ....on the same logic

You put a mobile in any metal cage with small enough screening, you will have no signal

 

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Do you know what else is diamagnetic? Copper !
Wanna tell me how copper doesn't reflect radio wave or aren't used to make antenna?

Pretty much any material with good conductivity will make a good radio wave blocker/ or reflector and Copper and Gold are among the best conducting material we have

And FYI, gold is rarely used in big antenna because it is heavy and expensive, but it is very common for micro strip antenna.


You put a mobile in any metal cage with small enough screening, you will have no signal

antennas are of two type...

transmitter .....reciver...

for transmitter , we can use any good conducting material to produce a magnetic field , don't matter is it diamagnetic or paramagnwtic...

it for the reciver antenna , that a strictly paramagnetic matrial /compound is used ....

also , for reciving antenna , metrlogy configuration of compound is also taken care.....for example cu(!) is dia but cu(!!) is para...

coming back to main point , gold been daimagnetic will reple em radar waves and act as a stealth coating on fighter aircraft....

 

[StealthFlanker]

antennas are of two type...

transmitter .....reciver...

for transmitter , we can use any good conducting material to produce a magnetic field , don't matter is it diamagnetic or paramagnwtic...

it for the reciver antenna , that a strictly paramagnetic matrial /compound is used ....

Is that so ?
These are television and mobiles phone antenna, no doubt they are receiving antenna, somehow they are all made from copper, a diamagnetic material. Do you want to tell me why ? =))

also , for reciving antenna , metrlogy configuration of compound is also taken care.....for example cu(!) is dia but cu(!!) is para...

We are talking about metallic copper here not ion copper in some chemical solution. Copper wire that some times used to make television antenna are around 99.99% pure copper.

coming back to main point , gold act as a stealth coating on fighter aircraft....

No, it doesn't. Why do you think they have to develop a specific RAM coating if a thin gold layer can do the job ?

 

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Is that so ?
These are television and mobiles phone antenna, no doubt they are receiving antenna, somehow they are all made from copper, a diamagnetic material. You wanna tell me why ? =)))

We are talking about metallic copper here not ion copper in some chemical solution. Copper wire that some times used to make television antenna are around 99.99% pure copper.

No, it doesn't. Why do you think

matel copper has a unpair electron in 4s orbital...

 

[StealthFlanker]

matel copper has a unpair electron in 4s orbital...

If you consider the individual copper atoms then they paramagnetic.But in number (copper metal) the odd electron is sent into the pool of electrons making the metallic bond=> the metal is diamagnetic, the same is for Cu+ salts, while Cu++ salts are paramagnetic.

 

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If you consider the individual copper atoms then they paramagnetic.But in number (copper metal) the odd electron is sent into the pool of electrons making the metallic bond=> the metal is diamagnetic, the same is for Cu+ salts, while Cu++ salts are paramagnetic.

in number ( copper metal) , the unpair electrons are rendomly oriented and supposed to cancel each others magentisum....so , i idle condition copper is supposed to be diamagnetic...

but when copper used as antenna the varying magnetic field of the incoming em wave introduce current in the metal which orient the unpair elecrtons all in one direction at a time , resuting in net magnetisum , make it paramegnetic....

their is no such case in gold...

french introduce carbon screws for the first time in mirage 2000.....how they are using gold coating , ...they know it better , we can only put our limited knowledge to make a guess..

 

[StealthFlanker]

in number ( copper metal) , the unpair electrons are rendomly oriented and supposed to cancel each others magentisum....so , i idle condition copper is supposed to be diamagnetic...

but when copper used as antenna the varying magnetic field of the incoming em wave introduce current in the metal which orient the unpair elecrtons all in one direction at a time , resuting in net magnetisum , make it paramegnetic....

their is no such case in gold...

Firstly, you should re-read the characteristics of diamagnetism
Secondly, you can induce a current and a magnetic field in both diamagnetic and paramagnetic material.
Thirdly, the effect of diamagnetic is very negligible
Last, How did you managed to make so many spelling mistakes?

french introduce carbon screws for the first time in mirage 2000.....how they are using gold coating , ...they know it better, we can only put our limited knowledge to make a guess..

Gold are used to prevent radar waves from entering the cockpit, the internal component can have so many corner reflector that will result in enormous RCS so in a way the coating help in total RCS reduction but the gold coating itself isn't RAM.

 

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Gold are used to prevent radar waves from entering the cockpit, the internal component can have so many corner reflector that will result in enormous RCS so in a way the coating help in total RCS reduction but the gold coating itself isn't RAM.

my point is , gold been a diamagnetic will reple the em waves , em waves will no fall on the aircraft body and tends to go away from it....therefore no reflection will take place..

you made your point...

ok...good........

on point getting personal....
bye !!

 

[StealthFlanker]

my point is , gold been a diamagnetic will reple the em waves , em waves will no fall on the aircraft body and tends to go away from it....therefore no reflection will take place..

you made your point...

What iam trying to say is it doesn't matter that gold is diamagnetic. If you coat the canopy with another metal, they will reflect EM wave just the same.

 

[WolfPack86]

On of the most exceptional feature of Rafale is its defensive countermeasures system "SPECTRA". SPECTRA includes radar, laser, and missile warning sensors, along with active jammers and four chaff-flare dispensers. It can automatically identify and categorize threats and take the necessary defensive actions.

SPECTRA's elements are all built into the airframe, ensuring that all stores pylons are free for carriage of stores. Receiving antennas are mounted alongside the engine intakes and in a module on the top of the tailfin, with the module also incorporating laser warning sensors. Jammer antennas are also fitted in the canard mounts, and laser warning sensors are mounted on each side of the fuselage below the cockpit. The upward-firing chaff-flare launchers are fitted on the fuselage, just forward of the engine exhausts, in the wing roots.
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SPECTRA can record threat data obtained during a mission to provide electronic intelligence. Ultimately, Rafale datalink capabilities will allow multiple Rafales to use their SPECTRA systems cooperatively to pinpoint adversary emitters.
Source-Air Vectors
https://www.facebook.com/IADnews/

 

[WolfPack86]

Dassault sets sights on supplying 200 Rafale jets to India over next decade
French aircraft maker Dassault Aviation on Wednesday said the Indian order for 36 Rafale fighters was a “bit small,” hoping it would swell to around 200 warplanes over the next decade. The firm has factored in an upcoming naval aviation programme to arrive at the figure.

Dassault Aviation CEO Eric Trappier said a bigger order would ensure that transfer of technology was meatier and also position the country as a high-end manufacturing hub under the Make in India initiative. India plans to induct some 400 warplanes during the next 10 years to sharpen its military edge.

“Thirty six is a good number to start with but we need to build on that foundation. It is not big enough for transfer of technology,” Trappier told a select group of journalists at Aero India-2017. “We are pushing for more orders. We are aware of the Indian military’s requirements and additional orders could come.”

Read | IAF chief says 36 Rafale warplanes not enough, India needs at least 200 jets

India and France signed the $8.7-billion Rafale deal on September 23, 2016. The jets, equipped with latest weapons and tailored for Indian needs, will be delivered between 2019 and 2022. Indian Air Force fighter pilots and technicians will head to France in 2018 to train on the Rafale. The IAF has also cautioned that the 36 fighters are not enough to check the erosion of its IAF’s strength.

Trappier said Rafale was a strong competitor for an Indian programme to build twin-engine fighters in the country. He said Dassault would also compete with global rivals for an order to supply 57 carrier-borne fighters to Indian Navy.


“It makes better sense to equip the IAF and the navy with the same platform as it means good logistics, maintenance and industrial support,” he said. US aerospace giant Boeing will also compete for the naval programme with its F-18 Super Hornet.

Read | Rafale triggers political dogfight, Cong wants contract to be made public

The IAF’s Rafale fighters will be equipped with European missile maker MBDA’s Meteor beyond visual range missiles. MBDA CEO Antoine Bouvier told HT the missile’s no-escape zone was three to four times greater than other missiles. MBDA has formed a joint venture with Larsen & Toubro to take part in upcoming missile programmes under the Make in India plan.

“This is MBDA’s first JV outside Europe. We are willing to transfer most sensitive missile technologies,” Bouvier said.

Dassault Aviation has forged a joint venture with billionaire Anil Ambani’s Reliance Defence for carrying out its offset obligations bundled with the Rafale deal. Ambani flew in a Rafale fighter at the airshow, pulling 6G (experiencing six times the force of gravity) during the 35-minute sortie.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...next-decade/story-sICe1UFTRC0RxR3wkpLCZK.html

 

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su30mki program seem to gathering the needed attention....
spare part jv"s are set ....
in higest probabilities is that navy going to buy the super sukhoi ...

 

[smestarz]

by the time the last Rafale is delivered, we might expect Pakistan and China both to be inducting 5th Gen planes. So its "great" to be facing 5th Gen planes with 4th Gen rafale..
cannon fodder

Dassault sets sights on supplying 200 Rafale jets to India over next decade
French aircraft maker Dassault Aviation on Wednesday said the Indian order for 36 Rafale fighters was a “bit small,” hoping it would swell to around 200 warplanes over the next decade. The firm has factored in an upcoming naval aviation programme to arrive at the figure.

Dassault Aviation CEO Eric Trappier said a bigger order would ensure that transfer of technology was meatier and also position the country as a high-end manufacturing hub under the Make in India initiative. India plans to induct some 400 warplanes during the next 10 years to sharpen its military edge.

“Thirty six is a good number to start with but we need to build on that foundation. It is not big enough for transfer of technology,” Trappier told a select group of journalists at Aero India-2017. “We are pushing for more orders. We are aware of the Indian military’s requirements and additional orders could come.”

Read | IAF chief says 36 Rafale warplanes not enough, India needs at least 200 jets

India and France signed the $8.7-billion Rafale deal on September 23, 2016. The jets, equipped with latest weapons and tailored for Indian needs, will be delivered between 2019 and 2022. Indian Air Force fighter pilots and technicians will head to France in 2018 to train on the Rafale. The IAF has also cautioned that the 36 fighters are not enough to check the erosion of its IAF’s strength.

Trappier said Rafale was a strong competitor for an Indian programme to build twin-engine fighters in the country. He said Dassault would also compete with global rivals for an order to supply 57 carrier-borne fighters to Indian Navy.


“It makes better sense to equip the IAF and the navy with the same platform as it means good logistics, maintenance and industrial support,” he said. US aerospace giant Boeing will also compete for the naval programme with its F-18 Super Hornet.

Read | Rafale triggers political dogfight, Cong wants contract to be made public

The IAF’s Rafale fighters will be equipped with European missile maker MBDA’s Meteor beyond visual range missiles. MBDA CEO Antoine Bouvier told HT the missile’s no-escape zone was three to four times greater than other missiles. MBDA has formed a joint venture with Larsen & Toubro to take part in upcoming missile programmes under the Make in India plan.

“This is MBDA’s first JV outside Europe. We are willing to transfer most sensitive missile technologies,” Bouvier said.

Dassault Aviation has forged a joint venture with billionaire Anil Ambani’s Reliance Defence for carrying out its offset obligations bundled with the Rafale deal. Ambani flew in a Rafale fighter at the airshow, pulling 6G (experiencing six times the force of gravity) during the 35-minute sortie.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...next-decade/story-sICe1UFTRC0RxR3wkpLCZK.html

 

[smestarz]

Super Sukhoi may not be the right plane for the navy, Indian navy had put all their trust on MiG-29K and hat made even the Russians dump the Su-33 program. With Russians also aiming to build new 100,000 Ton carriers, am sure they will come with a new plane, maybe a naval PAKFA. maybe that could be a chance for that.,
If the Indian navy pushes for something urgent then maybe its more MiG-29K or rafale M
Navy is very eager to go for imported Maal

su30mki program seem to gathering the needed attention....
spare part jv"s are set ....
in higest probabilities is that navy going to buy the super sukhoi ...

 

[WolfPack86]

Sea-Air-Space 2017 Day 3 / Part 1 - International Presence & US Naval Technology
In this video a from 5:14 a US official talking about Emals for Indian navy for INS Vishal

 

[WolfPack86]

Rafale catapult take off with small ramp at end

 

[lcafanboy]

New RM Arun Jaitly wants DA to integrate the Safran-Kaveri Engine in Rafale, which was recommended by Manohar Parrikar who wanted all new Jets in India should have Indian Engines as much as possible.
This could delay Rafale procurement by 1 year or beyond depending on the success of Safran-Kaveri.
Safran-Kaveri program would see the single engine eventually going to LCA variant, twin engines powering Rafale and an upgraded version to AMCA. This will help in real Make In India with 50% of offsets in 36 Flyaway giving us component level manufacturing and with Engines and other things, the custom build Rafale for India will easily cross more than 50% with target of more than 70% for Indian parts.

As I have stated earlier with all the fighter engines (3000-5000 engines) required over a 20-30 years period Rafales will be actually free for India. 100% of Kaveri IPR will be with India and we will make the engine from raw material stage with zero imported parts.

To arrest the falling squadron strength of IAF there is a talk of buying out old Mirage 2000 from Qatar 12 nos, UAE around 50 nos, and France 30 nos, that's around 5 sqdns worth of M2Ks to retire equal nos of Mig 27s. The plan is to offer buy back scheme where these nations buy Rafales made in India and we buy out their old M2K so as to increase sale of Rafales and bring down R&D cost down and also final cost too. Could be on lines of Malaysian Mig 29 deal where we are supplying Sukhoi Su 30 spare Parts in lieu of 18nos. Mig 29s.