Know Your 'Rafale'

[WolfPack86]

More Rafales Coming to India confirmation from Air Chief Marshall BS Dhanoa

Air Chief Marshal Dhanoa said Rafale fighter aircraft would be inducted into the IAF by 2019. A total of 36 fighters would be added to the fleet in the first batch, he said.

 

[WolfPack86]

Dassault officially begins development of the Rafale F4 standard.

Although some features will be available from 2023, the ministry says, the first aircraft to be fully equipped to the F4 standard will arrive in 2025.

The improvements include a beefed up sensor suite with GaN modules and new variants of the engine and weapon systems. — with Pradeep Mittal.
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[BON PLAN]

More Rafales Coming to India confirmation from Air Chief Marshall BS Dhanoa

Air Chief Marshal Dhanoa said Rafale fighter aircraft would be inducted into the IAF by 2019. A total of 36 fighters would be added to the fleet in the first batch, he said.

The most interesting : "36 fighters would be added to the fleet in the first batch,"

 

[smestarz]

Indian ACMs are known to say a lot, but its the Govt that decides what and how to purchased based on inputs of IAF chief, fuurther, the delivery would be starting from 2019 and should be completed till 2022 I do not think all the 36 planes would come in 2019 haha so maybe he was misquoted or then he really does not know a lot,

The most interesting : "36 fighters would be added to the fleet in the first batch,"

 

[BON PLAN]

Indian ACMs are known to say a lot, but its the Govt that decides what and how to purchased based on inputs of IAF chief, fuurther, the delivery would be starting from 2019 and should be completed till 2022 I do not think all the 36 planes would come in 2019 haha so maybe he was misquoted or then he really does not know a lot,

An order in 2019 has sense because it takes 3 years to produce a Rafale (long term lead time as engines, landing gear...), so with an order in 2019 the first second batch planes could arrived just after the end of the first batch.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

As FgFa is toast more rafales are the only option.

 

[smestarz]

Rafale does take 3 years to produce and 36 planes are not going to come at the same time, they would come in batches of say 3 or 5 or 6 depending how are available, so it might be 3 or say 6 out of 36 and that is the frist batch, and not 36 as first batch.

An order in 2019 has sense because it takes 3 years to produce a Rafale (long term lead time as engines, landing gear...), so with an order in 2019 the first second batch planes could arrived just after the end of the first batch.

 

[TPFscopes]

Complete view about STEALTH of RAFALE FIGHTER AIRCRAFT

 

[smestarz]

The Refueling probe is angled so its stealthy?
If only RAM coating is the answer, then Su-30 MKI coated with RAM would be stealthy too.

Further the rounded air ducts are not stealthy and the answer is angled ducts are tucked below the fuselage and so they shield the intakes from top down radar ?? Really? I mean last time I looked Su-30 MKI engine ducts are also below the fuselage..

Complete view about STEALTH of RAFALE FIGHTER AIRCRAFT

 

[WolfPack86]

Mystery emerges....
1) France to get fifth gen jet?
2) India getting more no of Rafales ?

France to make a Next Generation version of Rafale , known as Rafale F-4 which will have enhanced capabilities than latest F3-R version. No doubt new version will have enhanced stealth along with new firepower capabilities. Interesting is, previously it was said France will go for a sixth generation jet without being involved in a fifth gen jet development program. But seems a fifth gen version of Rafale (thus making France one of the nine countries eying for indigenous fifth generation stealth aircraft program ) is coming unless this new generation means just "more" advanced within fourth generation category .

Another important aspect of the subject is that may be India getting more no of Rafales than just 36. Officially India ordered for 36 units and Egypt ordered 24 units (officially still now). But according to Defence Blog total no units for Egypt and India is 78 and not just 60! Even if potential Egyptian unit under negotiation is considered (36) still there remain a difference. Does this imply India getting 6-18 more units?

Future will answer
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[smestarz]

5th Gen plane has a lot of 5th Gen technologies and it has to fulfill them. F-4 at best would be incremental over F3R standards etc,. and thus in short it will be 4.5++ Gen and not beyond that, Very much like Su-35. 5th Gen jets have to be purpose built with shaping etc, which unfortunately the planes like Eurofighters, Rafale or even Su-35 cannot be. So, Rafale is only trying to put in more 5tj Gen tech to keep it competitive. It cannot be a 5th Gen plane as its not designed to that purpose. If they have to try and make it 5th gen then perhaps might be cheaper to design a new purpose built one. After all one of the issue will be the shaping and airframe design, The afterburner shaping to reduce IR stealth. Would need a lot more.

Blogs are based on some inputs or rumours etc, even France will be needing some new ones itself to replace its Mirages.

Mystery emerges....
1) France to get fifth gen jet?
2) India getting more no of Rafales ?

France to make a Next Generation version of Rafale , known as Rafale F-4 which will have enhanced capabilities than latest F3-R version. No doubt new version will have enhanced stealth along with new firepower capabilities. Interesting is, previously it was said France will go for a sixth generation jet without being involved in a fifth gen jet development program. But seems a fifth gen version of Rafale (thus making France one of the nine countries eying for indigenous fifth generation stealth aircraft program ) is coming unless this new generation means just "more" advanced within fourth generation category .

Another important aspect of the subject is that may be India getting more no of Rafales than just 36. Officially India ordered for 36 units and Egypt ordered 24 units (officially still now). But according to Defence Blog total no units for Egypt and India is 78 and not just 60! Even if potential Egyptian unit under negotiation is considered (36) still there remain a difference. Does this imply India getting 6-18 more units?

Future will answer
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[StealthFlanker]

Complete view about STEALTH of RAFALE FIGHTER AIRCRAFT

Such a shitty video. Their reason only is RAM are every where on Rafale ?.
Then some nonsense about "gold coating reflects less radar energy" ??? Compare to what ? the gold coat is there to prevent radar wave from coming inside and reflect off internal components ( especially in the case of the cockpit, which often result in total RCS reduction). But saying gold coating reflect less will give the impression that the coating can absorb radar wave.That simply wrong They are as reflective as any other metal.


Does he know Su-35, F-15 , F-16 , F-18 , Mig-29 all have RAM on their surface ? Does that mean they are all stealth aircraft ?.

 

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Such a shitty video. Their reason only is RAM are every where on Rafale ?.
Then some nonsense about "gold coating reflects less radar energy" ??? Compare to what ? the gold coat is there to prevent radar wave from coming inside and reflect off internal components ( especially in the case of the cockpit, which often result in total RCS reduction). But saying gold coating reflect less will give the impression that the coating can absorb radar wave.That simply wrong They are as reflective as any other metal.


Does he know Su-35, F-15 , F-16 , F-18 , Mig-29 all have RAM on their surface ? Does that mean they are all stealth aircraft ?.

gold is a diamagnetic , the magnetic lines of forces tends to go away from it rather going through it...

 

[StealthFlanker]

gold is a diamagnetic , the magnetic lines of forces tends to go away from it rather going through it...

So ? Gold would reflect radar wave like any other metal. The only reason it was used is that it much easier to make a super thin semi-transparent gold layer

 

[smestarz]

Its a video but not really informative,
So all Su-30 MKI needed was RAM coating and we have a plane that is better than Rafale,
Honestly we dont need Rafale. We need it because the IAF wants Medium Medium MRCA. cos technically they put MiG-29 in light Medium MRCA. hahaah
They might take Rafale Marine for IAF if they term it Heavy Medium MRCA

Such a shitty video. Their reason only is RAM are every where on Rafale ?.
Then some nonsense about "gold coating reflects less radar energy" ??? Compare to what ? the gold coat is there to prevent radar wave from coming inside and reflect off internal components ( especially in the case of the cockpit, which often result in total RCS reduction). But saying gold coating reflect less will give the impression that the coating can absorb radar wave.That simply wrong They are as reflective as any other metal.


Does he know Su-35, F-15 , F-16 , F-18 , Mig-29 all have RAM on their surface ? Does that mean they are all stealth aircraft ?.

 

[TPFscopes]

Such a shitty video. Their reason only is RAM are every where on Rafale ?.
Then some nonsense about "gold coating reflects less radar energy" ??? Compare to what ? the gold coat is there to prevent radar wave from coming inside and reflect off internal components ( especially in the case of the cockpit, which often result in total RCS reduction). But saying gold coating reflect less will give the impression that the coating can absorb radar wave.That simply wrong They are as reflective as any other metal.


Does he know Su-35, F-15 , F-16 , F-18 , Mig-29 all have RAM on their surface ? Does that mean they are all stealth aircraft ?.

Gold coating/tint works as "Faraday cage"
A metallic coating of Gold oxide is added to the canopy to reflect the radar waves, giving it a golden tint.
Gold is a very dense material with high conductivity, so even an extremely thin layer (so you can see through it) would already be effective.

 

[TPFscopes]

Its a video but not really informative,
So all Su-30 MKI needed was RAM coating and we have a plane that is better than Rafale,
Honestly we dont need Rafale. We need it because the IAF wants Medium Medium MRCA. cos technically they put MiG-29 in light Medium MRCA. hahaah
They might take Rafale Marine for IAF if they term it Heavy Medium MRCA

There is no EW suite on Su-30MKI with active cancellation Capability, which plays an important role in minimising RCS.
There are also many factors for Su-30MKI to make it STEALTHY or you can say it as lower RCS. Many modifications will need to be done for it, Which is not possible without ToT

 

[StealthFlanker]

Gold coating/tint works as "Faraday cage"
A metallic coating of Gold oxide is added to the canopy to reflect the radar waves, giving it a golden tint.

Yes that exactly what i said. But the phrase YouTuber used in that video "gold coating reflects less radar energy" is misleading, most people who read that would misunderstand that gold have radar absorbing capability. It doesn't.

 

[TPFscopes]

Yes that exactly what i said. But the phrase YouTuber used in that video "gold coating reflects less radar energy" is misleading, most people who read that would misunderstand that gold have radar absorbing capability. It doesn't.

Actually, I'm that YouTuber
I write that article in hurry for my FB page than later converted it into video.

 

[StealthFlanker]

There is no EW suite on Su-30MKI with active cancellation Capability, which plays an important role in minimising RCS.

There isn't anything super special with active cancellation, it is practically same as cover pulse jamming, just another form of deceptive jamming.Good pulse compression ,frequency hoping and PRF jittering will counter that rather easy.

Actually, I'm that YouTuber
I write that article in hurry for my FB page than later converted it into video.

Not to offense you but the video is bad.