Know Your 'Rafale'

[sasum]

SOURCE: THE HINDU
US-based fighter jet maker Lockheed Martin’s CEO Marillyn Hewson is scheduled to meet Prime Minister Narendra Modi in New Delhi next week to discuss her company’s future plans, including the proposed manufacture of F-16 aircrafts as part of the ‘Make in India’ initiative.Hewson and her team of top officials will also meet Commerce and Industry Minister Nirmala Sitharaman, an official from the Department of Industrial Policy & Promotion told BusinessLine.“Hewson is scheduled to be in New Delhi on March 7-8 and is expected to meet both the Prime Minister and the Commerce and Industry Minister. The company has big plans for India including manufacture of F-16 fighter jets,” the official said.Earlier this month, chief executive of Lockheed Martin India, Phil Shaw, told reporters that the company was ready to manufacture F-16 aircrafts here but he did not specify a time-frame.While India’s low-cost capabilities and engineering skills can make the manufacturing of F-16 cost-competitive, Lockheed Martin is reportedly looking for contractual commitment for its fighter jets from the Indian government. Lockheed Martin, which has been present in India for the last two decades, supplied six C130J Super Hercules military transport aircraft to India in 2011. It is also scheduled to deliver six helicopters in 2017.

 

[Bahamut]

SOURCE: THE HINDU
US-based fighter jet maker Lockheed Martin’s CEO Marillyn Hewson is scheduled to meet Prime Minister Narendra Modi in New Delhi next week to discuss her company’s future plans, including the proposed manufacture of F-16 aircrafts as part of the ‘Make in India’ initiative.Hewson and her team of top officials will also meet Commerce and Industry Minister Nirmala Sitharaman, an official from the Department of Industrial Policy & Promotion told BusinessLine.“Hewson is scheduled to be in New Delhi on March 7-8 and is expected to meet both the Prime Minister and the Commerce and Industry Minister. The company has big plans for India including manufacture of F-16 fighter jets,” the official said.Earlier this month, chief executive of Lockheed Martin India, Phil Shaw, told reporters that the company was ready to manufacture F-16 aircrafts here but he did not specify a time-frame.While India’s low-cost capabilities and engineering skills can make the manufacturing of F-16 cost-competitive, Lockheed Martin is reportedly looking for contractual commitment for its fighter jets from the Indian government. Lockheed Martin, which has been present in India for the last two decades, supplied six C130J Super Hercules military transport aircraft to India in 2011. It is also scheduled to deliver six helicopters in 2017.

Sell to both India and Pakistan and make profit ,do they really think we are that dumb?F 16 is not needed ,it does not even qualify for our requirement,why should we buy it.

 

[Tactical Frog]

SOURCE: THE HINDU
US-based fighter jet maker Lockheed Martin’s CEO Marillyn Hewson is scheduled to meet Prime Minister Narendra Modi in New Delhi next week to discuss her company’s future plans, including the proposed manufacture of F-16 aircrafts as part of the ‘Make in India’ initiative.Hewson and her team of top officials will also meet Commerce and Industry Minister Nirmala Sitharaman, an official from the Department of Industrial Policy & Promotion told BusinessLine.“Hewson is scheduled to be in New Delhi on March 7-8 and is expected to meet both the Prime Minister and the Commerce and Industry Minister. The company has big plans for India including manufacture of F-16 fighter jets,” the official said.Earlier this month, chief executive of Lockheed Martin India, Phil Shaw, told reporters that the company was ready to manufacture F-16 aircrafts here but he did not specify a time-frame.While India’s low-cost capabilities and engineering skills can make the manufacturing of F-16 cost-competitive, Lockheed Martin is reportedly looking for contractual commitment for its fighter jets from the Indian government. Lockheed Martin, which has been present in India for the last two

No kidding Modi has time to meet with Lockeed CEO ?

 

[sasum]

Sell to both India and Pakistan and make profit ,do they really think we are that dumb?F 16 is not needed ,it does not even qualify for our requirement,why should we buy it.

If Lockheed Martin makes 100% direct investment on a green-field factory and buys back entire production for export to third country, I see no harm. It will generate direct employment, ancillary industries and earn revenue to Govt.

 

[sasum]

No kidding Modi has time to meet with Lockeed CEO ?

I have a different take. Make everything locally only to flood global market, like China does. She makes all kinds of crap and dumps all over the world. Swelling foreign exchange and zero unemployment.

 

[Sam Biswas]

BS? You prove post after post that you doesn't understand so much in aeronautics !
You surestimate Tejas which is a plane aways on study. Too small to be other than a point defense fighter, but for you it's the 21st century F22 !!!
You know to few about Rafale.
Your answer about Meteor just because AdlA only ordered 100 pcs is astonishing....

Stop demonstrating us that this forum is well over your knowledge.

Tejas will evolve and into something much bigger and better than Rafale. Rafale will drain India's budget after sabotaging India's Air Force over many years and will be outdated before it even joins IAF. Then India will be forced to pay more to France for MLU. India will get into a vicious cycle by getting into this Rafale deal. In addition, Dussault is not a high throughput manufacturer to fulfill India's needs. I believe Indian PM and DM are slowly getting out of this deal.

 

[garg_bharat]

Solidarity with Russia ..you didn't give the Mistrals to immortal Putin,

So we have to blame the French Scorpene is bad and not performing well, poorly designed, lack of spares and etc

our Russian lovers ready sacrifice India to save Putin's A$$

I need to give you one more title - "Champion of BS".

Who makes you the spokesperson of IAF??

 

[garg_bharat]

Don't understand what you want to explain in a forum called "know your Rafale"....

I think Indian public has known enough about Rafale. There is no need to know more.
There is a limit to how much BS anybody can take.

Nobody is hopeful now that Rafale will fly in IAF. Maybe some diehard who receive money from France, but no other.

 

[SajeevJino]

I need to give you one more title - "Champion of BS".

Many thanks for the title .

Who makes you the spokesperson of IAF??

what makes you think like that

 

[sasum]

Dussault is not a high throughput manufacturer to fulfill India's needs.

I have a feeling Dassault may be merged with a much bigger entity by 2019-20 when it is scheduled to start delivery of Rafalla to India, and India will have to renegotiate the deal. Dassault lacks financial muscle to scale up production, stocking of spares and supplies for clients, MRO etc.
We have seen many smaller players like Hughes Aircraft, Northrop Corp, McDonnell Douglas etc. being cannibalised by much bigger companies.

 

[smestarz]

Sell to both India and Pakistan and make profit ,do they really think we are that dumb?F 16 is not needed ,it does not even qualify for our requirement,why should we buy it.

It might not be really that, "Make in India" does not really relate to only entire plane, but also parts, F-16 is one of the most used plane, and C-130 is one of the most used transport plane, And the business of parts (5% annually per plane) is also a good business. Make in India does not mean BUY FOR INDIA or USE FOR INDIA. Be clear about this. So if we manufacture say Gripen in India, the idea for SAAB would be that India would buy them and use them (more like putting a production line for India) but the indian idea is that making in india is more economical and hence MAKE IN INDIA AND SELL TO THE WORLD. That helps the economy, makes a good base for spares and parts, And if in future we buy that plane, we have a good base for spares.

F-16 is a good plane, Actually combat proven in various countries It has excellent characteristics. But we have already a few similar planes in similar roles (Tejas, and M2000) so there is no need for another plane to add in the mix. But on other hand C-130J has proven quite useful.

 

[smestarz]

No kidding Modi has time to meet with Lockeed CEO ?

He did give time to Hollande, did he not?
Lockheed making in India is good boost for economy. Considering a plane consumes 5% of its value in terms of spares per year, THAT IS GOOD BUSINESS. specially considering that Lockheed has more planes flying than Dassault or any other manufacturer (except Boeing)

 

[WolfPack86]

New Delhi: The Defence Ministry will have about Rs. 86,000 crore for the financial year 2016-17 to fund the purchase of the French made Rafale fighters, Medium Range Surface to Air Missiles (MRSAM) and Submarines for the Indian Navy.
If the Rafale deal goes through, at an estimated cost about Rs. 60,000 crore, India will have to pay about one-sixth of the total cost in the financial year to France.
The total budget allocation for this financial year of Rs. 2,49,099 crore is an increase of nearly one per cent over last year's allocation.
This is apart from the funds for pension and allocation for payment for One Rank One Pension which stands at Rs. 82,332 crore.
The Defence Ministry returned back about Rs. 20,000 crore worth of unspent funds to the exchequer this time. "This is excess is largely because of low international fuel prices," a senior MoD official told NDTV.
Out of nearly Rs. 2,50,000 Crore allocated to the ministry, Rs. 1,62,759 crore is allocated for Revenue expenditure. It includes expenditure for Defence Ordnance factories, Research and Development, Rashtriya Rifles, Military Farms and the National Cadet Corps.

 

[WolfPack86]

http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/03/defence-ministry-gets-rs-86000-crore.html

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

The key is the si. Heading of budget for acquisition of aircrafts & aero engines

 

[garg_bharat]

86000 crore for Rafale?? Is it correct title??

We expected an increase of Rs 10000 crore in Air Force allocation if Rafale was to be paid for this year. There are many other programs to pay for too, both local and imported.

 

[Bornubus]

Modernisation of Armed forces takes a back seat,again.OROP takes a large chunk,the money otherwise allocated for capital exp.

Tin Buckets will be in army for a long time.

 

[sasum]

86000 crore for Rafale?? Is it correct title??

We expected an increase of Rs 10000 crore in Air Force allocation if Rafale was to be paid for this year. There are many other programs to pay for too, both local and imported.

It is a mischievous title by TOI. The budgetary allocation is for purchasing mmrca & Subs. Rafalla is just a candidate aircraft and subject to signing of the final agreement. Probably Rafalla will fall through if Dassault fails to freeze the deal at $7-8 billion or raise the offset to 50% of the agreed price.

 

[garg_bharat]

Modernisation of Armed forces takes a back seat,again.OROP takes a large chunk,the money otherwise allocated for capital exp.

Tin Buckets will be in army for a long time.

BMP-2 upgrade can be done. Who stops Army?
T-72 modernization can be done. Who stops Army? Why cant Army go for upgrade similar to Russian T-72B3.

Radically new programs like FICV: these will move at a slow pace unless Army comes down on requirements.
Artillery: M777 is cleared. OFB will start supply of Dhanush soon.

So what is really the problem?

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

Well. As per last news

There is a -8.5% allocacatoon for defence capital allocations over last year's for the three services combined