we have always been looted on these small misc items
Give me proof.
EFT as evaluated by IAF meets IAF requirements
True. But negotiations go beyond requirements.
the same is applicable to EFT and the german offer also
And they won't loot us? Especially when it is painfully obvious Typhoon is more expensive?
No this is your Rafale prem speaking
If the Dasault is so worried about us why dont it give us rafale at lower prices ?
The price they are giving us is the lowest possible price for Rafale. Check the price of Rafales in the senate article Halloweene posted. And IAF Rafales appear to be more advanced.
why was it dilly dallying for 1 year to make HAL partner ?
Why was it not ready to work with HAL ?
What do you think the reason is?
the thing is they got confident that they can dictate terms after being declared L1 and didnt anticipate counter offers from EFT / SAAB
Unit prices remain the same. France cannot increase prices arbitrarily. They can only put new prices on new equipment. The cost of the engines, airframe and majority of the electronics will remain the same as the bid.
The counter offers from EADS and SAAB do not influence the pricing on Rafale.
Let's disband the air force entirely.
Buy 60 Super Su30MKi (still cheaper than Rafale) + 60 Su34MKI + increase tejas Mk1 orders to 80 (40 + 40) + Tejas Mk2 to 189 (83+106)
Are you aware you don't know what you are talking about?
Where is the second supply line?
Can LCA carry 9.5 tonnes of payload? And is LCA survivable? Can LCA carry Brahmos? Can LCA drop nukes? The answer to all is a very big NO.
And we can't just outright buy Super Sukhois. It will take us at least 10 years or more to fully adapt the existing squadron to Super Sukhoi standards. We will most likely upgrade the Su-30 at the rate of 2 per month. With 270 aircraft, we will take 11.25 years. And 2 per month is not guaranteed, it could be lesser. So if the process has started this year, then it will end only in 2026-27. If we order 126 more Su-30, and then apply the upgrade after 2026, then it will take another 6 years. So, all Su-30s will be upgraded only in 2032, most likely 2035 including all the technological and bureaucratic delays. The point behind the Rafale deal is to get an equally capable aircraft within the next 10 years, and not in 2035, that's 20 years away. By then Su-30 will be entirely pointless because we will be talking about upgrading the FGFA, Super FGFA. So what you say about ordering more Su-30 is impossible. The IAF knows all of this very clearly, and what they are doing today is correct. Even their future is planned out.
So the upgrade of the Su-30 and induction of Rafale will happen in parallel. That saves time and keeps the IAF at a higher level. And this ensures a second supply line in case of problems. For eg: Just a few years ago the entire Su-30 fleet was grounded due to an FBW issue. Nobody likes being grounded, especially during war. So in case Su-30s do get grounded, Rafales continue flying and viceversa. If we have only Su-30s and they are grounded, then we could as well just disband the air force.
I support the Rafale induction because of the above points and because of the capability of the PLAAF. It isn't some juvenile prem for Rafale like you have assumed. I have logical points for every little thing I support.
Also LCA's price is being underestimated. It is well over $30 Million and that's just unit price. LCA MK1 FOC squadron costs $1 Billion. And this price is from 2007. You have to add inflation of over 4% and also cost of other newly added items like the refueling probe. And this is not the total procurement cost.
Basically the cost of LCA Mk1 IOC as initially ordered was 150 Crores each. Today the cost is well over 200 Crores. The initial cost of LCA Mk1 FOC was Rs 300 Crores. What makes you think it will only cost 300 Crores each in the next 3 years? Costs only increase.