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who says tejas isnt a good platform

I never see It's Performance in Real time ..Since Long way to inducted into Service


it is equal to gripen which have defeated rafale most of the time
Rafale Outperform Gripen in all Aspects ..Only one negative Point is Fly away cost is Higher than Gripen


just prove me how tejas is immature platform
Even @ersakthivel told There we need to Three Platforms to Kill One Rafale . ie) One Flanker and Two Tejas

who says days of air superiority is over and for your kind information su30mki as well as tejas are multirole fighters
Read carefully His Posts "Numbers winning air superiority days are over" that means No. is not a Matter ..Who have Higher tech Edge Will win the Fight
 
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I never see It's Performance in Real time ..Since Long way to inducted into Service




Rafale Outperform Gripen in all Aspects ..Only one negative Point is Fly away cost is Higher than Gripen




Even @ersakthivel told There we need to Three Platforms to Kill One Rafale . ie) One Flanker and Two Tejas



Read carefully His Posts "Numbers winning air superiority days are over" that means No. is not a Matter ..Who have Higher tech Edge Will win the Fight
you clearly have a reading problem @ersakthivel said that 3 fighter will return to base safely killing rafael
india is a third world country so before investing they should think about cost
did you saw real time performance of mirage, if yes then iaf pilot quote it to be inferior to tejas.
american pilots says f16 flies better with fly by wire of tejas
isn't that enough for you
 
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I never see It's Performance in Real time ..Since Long way to inducted into Service

IOC , FOC and induction itself show the platform maturity, and with astra already fired , the armament choice is also complete, And ADA chief himself has said that they will give the interface to integrate meteor with tejas mk-1. DRDO is developing a smaller sized brahmos cruise missile for all fighters of IAF.

Rafale Outperform Gripen in all Aspects ..Only one negative Point is Fly away cost is Higher than Gripen

for the same costs incurred the grippen fleet and rafale fleet give same performance.

Even @ersakthivel told There we need to Three Platforms to Kill One Rafale . ie) One Flanker and Two Tejas

What I mentioned was for the same cost incurred one su-30 MKI + 2 tejas can a;ways defeat the one rafale in any any exercise with any rules of engagement.

And they will come back to base while rafale wont.

Not one rafale equals one su-30 MKI+ 2 tejas mk-2. We will have to see after the super sukhoi upgrade whether one rafale can take on a single single super sukhoi.

Read carefully His Posts "Numbers winning air superiority days are over" that means No. is not a Matter ..Who have Higher tech Edge Will win the Fight
Rafale has no demonstrable higher tech edge, what it has extra range and weapon load which can be had with two tejas mk-2 fighters for lesser cost with a su-30 MKI thrown in as bonus.

The IRST, sensor fusion and spectra type ew suit can be developed and put on su-30 MKi or tejas mk-2 with israeli help by india . so no tech edge .

All the sensors on rafale are not rafale specific, they can be had any modern 4.5 th on any fighter and those sensors can be fused with spectra like suit which is nothing but software implementation.


Numbers will always determine who wins the war, and rafale is no F-22 to boast with space ace tech either. It just has a set of sensors and asea radar which will be on tejas mk-2 with time as well.

Mk-2 is a product improvement over mk-1 and it does not need a decade to get into service, from the first fighter itself it is being planned to be produced in production for induction mode not the gruelling Tds , LSP s and then SPs mode of tejas mk-1 due to finding cuts.
 
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Do you realize that software and integration are the most complex and costly parts???
 

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Don't forget supercruise.

The Dassault Rafale can supercruise, in dry power, even with four missiles and a 1,250-liter belly drop tank and even in the naval version (Rafale M). Wikipedia.
 

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yes, i also cited the original data in my ottawa citizen articles, but i never could know for how long, in which config etc. Classified data
 

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Quoted verbatim from wiki article.

Should be of interest anyway as RFP of IN to be released soon.
 

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I think IN will induct mig29k, tejas mk1, tejas mk2 and AMCA
IN Already Inducted MiG 29 K into Service ..we yet to seen It's Actions from INS Vikky

Tejas MK 1 will be a Training fighter for IN Aviation Pilots

MK 2 will come after 2020 ..we don't know where the IN puts it

AMCA is long way to induct ..Before F 35 B ,Rafale M and Naval FGFA ..anyone of them Will be there in IN Carriers
 
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IN Already Inducted MiG 29 K into Service ..we yet to seen It's Actions from INS Vikky

Tejas MK 1 will be a Training fighter for IN Aviation Pilots

MK 2 will come after 2020 ..we don't know where the IN puts it

AMCA is long way to induct ..Before F 35 B ,Rafale M and Naval FGFA ..anyone of them Will be there in IN Carriers
there is no naval fgfa.
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naval tejas is not a training bird and if you thinks so then prove it
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india won't gonna purchase f35 cause it will affect fgfa
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rafael is too costly and that's why no plan to induct rafael in IN instead mig 29k are better
 

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there is no naval fgfa.
Russians Plans Naval Version of PAK FA into their Future Carrier ... Go and Catch Up
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naval tejas is not a training bird and if you thinks so then prove it
Sure Will give the Real time Updates ...when they Inducted
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india won't gonna purchase f35 cause it will affect fgfa
Jump Jet Matters ..!!! with IAC 1
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rafael is too costly and that's why no plan to induct rafael in IN instead mig 29k are better
Catapult :dude:
 
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Russians Plans Naval Version of PAK FA into their Future Carrier ... Go and Catch Up
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Sure Will give the Real time Updates ...when they Inducted
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Jump Jet Matters ..!!! with IAC 1
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Catapult :dude:
Sir when I told you superiority of tejas over rafale then you used smiley now too you are using smiley
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clearly you are confused between fgfa and pak fa
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fgfa is indian pak fa like su 30mki and pak fa is for russian use like su30
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pak fa is all metal airframe where there is composite materials in fgfa
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a german defence expert called fgfa as best fifth gen fighter
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simply russian developing pak fa is for their own navy whereas there is no naval fgfa that's why IN invested in AMCA
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russia can export naval pakfa to india but it will be costly so and we already have a program of naval fifth gen fighter aircraft running in india so no need of pak fa and f35
 
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Sir when I told you superiority of tejas over rafale then you used smiley now too you are using smiley

STOVL = F 35 B , Harrier AV 8 B, STOBAR - MiG 29 k , Su 33 , .. catapult - F/A - 18 ,Rafale M , Naval PAK FA
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clearly you are confused between fgfa and pak fa
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fgfa is indian pak fa like su 30mki and pak fa is for russian use like su30
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ok I got it ..Thanks for the Info


pak fa is all metal airframe where there is composite materials in fgfa
Really.. Metal airframe Update only for FGFA
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a german defence expert called fgfa as best fifth gen fighter
Polish expert Expells PAK FA
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simply russian developing pak fa is for their own navy whereas there is no naval fgfa that's why IN invested in AMCA
IN invested in AMCA ...:wat:
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russia can export naval pakfa to india but it will be costly so and we already have a program of naval fifth gen fighter aircraft running in india so no need of pak fa and f35
naval fifth Gen Program . :fkidding:


and Please ...No Sir ..!! :happy:
 
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@SajeevJino
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there is more advancement in fgfa not only composites
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though not confirmed I will seek for info and will quote you
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fgfa is superior to pakfa cause composites will give it natural stealth
 
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Russian expertise in titanium
structures will be complemented by
India's experience in composites like in
the fuselage.[21] HAL is to be
contributing largely to composites,
cockpits and avionics according to
company statements made on 16
September 2008. HAL is working to
enter into a joint development
mechanism with Russia for the
evolution of the FGFA engine as an
upward derivative of the AL-37.
Speaking to Flight International, United
Aircraft chief Mikhail Pogosyan said
India is giving engineering inputs
covering latest airframe design, Hi-
Tech software development and other
systems.[39]
Differences for FGFA
The FGFA will be predominantly armed
with weapons of Indian origin such as
the Astra, a Beyond Visual Range
missile (BVR) being developed by India.
Although in keeping with the Russian
BVR doctrine of using a variety of
different missiles for versatility and
unpredictability to countermeasures,
the aircraft is expected to have
compatibility with various missile
types. The FGFA may include systems
developed by third parties.[40] It would
also include advanced Indian
composites in its structure. Majority of
the software would be of Indian origin,
along with Indian avionics. HAL will
also make about 30% design changes.
[ citation needed]
The completed joint Indian/Russian
versions of the operational fighters
will differ from the current flying
prototypes through the addition of
stealth, supercruise, sensors,
networking, and combat avionics for a
total of 43 improvements.
 

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@SajeevJino
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there is more advancement in fgfa not only composites
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though not confirmed I will seek for info and will quote you
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fgfa is superior to pakfa cause composites will give it natural stealth
Yes I know ..from Computers to Airframe Changes are taken Places by FGFA after they Delivered first Test bed T 50 at 2017 ..


http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/military-aviation/8276-sukhoi-pak-fa-fgfa-fifth-generation-fighter-aircraft.html

and this Thread will explain a Lot of info about Both FGFA and T 50

take a day and Study the Thread Completely :thumb:
 
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