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Awesome. So, what's the delivery schedule ?
Further, could you please share its advantages & unique features over what IAF already operates: IL-78's mostly, IIRC.
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Further, could you please share its advantages & unique features over what IAF already operates: IL-78's mostly, IIRC.
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As mentioned, it beat the IL-78 as the preferred bidder. Currently they are all sitting around talking about it, same as Rafale.
Contract is yet to be signed.
The three biggest advantages over the IL-78 are the easy availability of spare parts, carries more transferrable fuel (111 tonnes vs 87 tonnes) and can be converted to a regular transport aircraft (but I doubt this will be needed).
Apart from that A-330 has longer legs and 2 engines vs 4 on IL-78.
We plan on buying 6 for now with another 6 on option, which will be exercised.
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Dassault is pissing me off... maybe they don't want to build fighters and focus on penny anny business jets.
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LAST UPDATE OF THIS THREAD FROM ME
Rafale, French Air Force And Navy's Potent Hardware
By Norsyafawati Abdul Wahab
PARIS (Bernama) -- Rafale, the multirole fighter jet, is the pride of France and stands testament to both the nation's military might and its prowess in defence technology.
Developed by Dassault Aviation, which was established in 1949, the capabilities of this sophisticated fighter aircraft have been proven during the country's military engagement in Afghanistan, Libya and Mali.
Rafale is now one of the contenders to replace the Royal Malaysian Air Force's (RMAF) MiG-29N. The RMAF procured 18 MiG-29Ns from Russia in 1995, with 17 still in service and one having crashed in 1998.
Rafale is now in service with France's air force and navy, and Dassault is confident that the plane's state-of-the-art technology will prevail over the next four decades in maintaining air superiority.
This agile aircraft, which is capable of reaching speeds of up to Mach 2 (twice the speed of sound), has not only helped to secure the French airspace but has also brought technological leap in how aircrafts of the future will be designed.
This writer recently had the opportunity to visit several locations to see the Rafale right from its design and assembly to the operations stage. The visit was in conjunction with the Paris International Air Show in Le Bourget from June 17-23.
TECHNOLOGICAL LEAP
The visit started at Dassault Aviation's headquarters in Saint Cloud, located about 2km from Paris, and this is where the delta wing fighter jet's production starts.
The Rafale was designed using the state-of-the-art software 'Catia,' which was developed internally to create a virtual 3D digital image of the aircraft.
According to Dassault Aviation's Engineering Programme Director Jerome Camps, the virtual design is the first of its kind and provides huge savings as there is no need for a costly prototype or a mock-up of the aircraft, similar to how it was done previously.
"This 3D design technology has helped us tremendously in designing, documenting, servicing, manufacturing parts and assembling the aircraft all in one go, and there is no need for prototypes to be built many times over.
"Even before Rafale was manufactured, this software had helped to identify the defects and shortcomings in developing the aircraft as the software allowed the aircraft to fly virtually," said Camps.
"With the virtual digital drawings, Dassault has managed to create Rafale within the budget and this is a major achievement for us," he added.
Apart from Rafale, Camps pointed out that Dassault has also built commercial private jets such as the Falcon using the same software.
At the same location, this writer was then taken to the "Immersive Reality Centre," where virtual designs were highlighted with greater details.
Here, customers are given the opportunity to take a closer look at the virtual design and customise external and internal dimensions, colour and other features before the start of production.
RAFALE'S FINAL ASSEMBLY
The flight from Paris to Bordeaux, where Rafale's final assembly plant is located, takes 15 minutes.
Here, the components from different defence contractors located around France are brought together and assembled. It takes about six months to assemble a Rafale fighter jet.
This assembly plant in Merignac has the capacity to roll out about 10 of such multi-purpose fighter jets in a year.
After the assembly process is complete, the Rafale undergoes ground test within the same plant with its avionics, navigation, communication and weapon systems put to test.
Then, the test pilot takes the aircraft to the sky to evaluate its airworthiness and safety before it is handed over to the customer.
RAFALE IN ACTION
The French airbase located in Saint Dizier has 47 Rafale fighter jets in operation.
"Since the September 11 incident, which took place in 2001, the time for the Rafale to be airborne upon receiving instructions has been reduced to two minutes from 15 minutes previously," noted Lt Col Nicolas Lyaufey.
Lyaufey is now the Head of Aerial Operations for one of the squadrons at the airbase.
This pilot has logged 1,000 flying hours on Rafale, and vouches for the aircraft's agility and tactical prowess. He flew the aircraft during the operations in Mali, where 60 percent of the air strikes using Rafale were conducted in the night.
"Rafale has the capability of firing an assortment of six weapons in one go," he said, adding that the mission in Mali had recorded a 97 percent success rate.
"We deployed six Rafale fighters in Mali and dropped more than 80 bombs using the aircraft," he noted.
PROVEN CAPABILITY IN WARFARE
Rafale, just like many of its American counterparts, has a number of unique advantages and is well positioned to replace Malaysia's MiG 29N.
Nevertheless, what differentiates this Dassault Aviation's masterpiece from its competitors is its proven omnirole capability in warfare, which is still at the prototype stage for many producers of fighter jets.
Due to its omnirole capability, Rafale can be used in aerial engagements, to conduct attacks from the air to the ground and from the air to the sea, for aerial reconnaissance and also to deter a nuclear attack.
But will Rafale meet Malaysia's defence requirements and is it worthwhile to invest in this plane? This is something people at RMAF will be looking into, and Rafale will certainly be one of the choices to consider.
-- BERNAMA
BERNAMA - Rafale, French Air Force And Navy's Potent Hardware
Rafale, French Air Force And Navy's Potent Hardware
By Norsyafawati Abdul Wahab
PARIS (Bernama) -- Rafale, the multirole fighter jet, is the pride of France and stands testament to both the nation's military might and its prowess in defence technology.
Developed by Dassault Aviation, which was established in 1949, the capabilities of this sophisticated fighter aircraft have been proven during the country's military engagement in Afghanistan, Libya and Mali.
Rafale is now one of the contenders to replace the Royal Malaysian Air Force's (RMAF) MiG-29N. The RMAF procured 18 MiG-29Ns from Russia in 1995, with 17 still in service and one having crashed in 1998.
Rafale is now in service with France's air force and navy, and Dassault is confident that the plane's state-of-the-art technology will prevail over the next four decades in maintaining air superiority.
This agile aircraft, which is capable of reaching speeds of up to Mach 2 (twice the speed of sound), has not only helped to secure the French airspace but has also brought technological leap in how aircrafts of the future will be designed.
This writer recently had the opportunity to visit several locations to see the Rafale right from its design and assembly to the operations stage. The visit was in conjunction with the Paris International Air Show in Le Bourget from June 17-23.
TECHNOLOGICAL LEAP
The visit started at Dassault Aviation's headquarters in Saint Cloud, located about 2km from Paris, and this is where the delta wing fighter jet's production starts.
The Rafale was designed using the state-of-the-art software 'Catia,' which was developed internally to create a virtual 3D digital image of the aircraft.
According to Dassault Aviation's Engineering Programme Director Jerome Camps, the virtual design is the first of its kind and provides huge savings as there is no need for a costly prototype or a mock-up of the aircraft, similar to how it was done previously.
"This 3D design technology has helped us tremendously in designing, documenting, servicing, manufacturing parts and assembling the aircraft all in one go, and there is no need for prototypes to be built many times over.
"Even before Rafale was manufactured, this software had helped to identify the defects and shortcomings in developing the aircraft as the software allowed the aircraft to fly virtually," said Camps.
"With the virtual digital drawings, Dassault has managed to create Rafale within the budget and this is a major achievement for us," he added.
Apart from Rafale, Camps pointed out that Dassault has also built commercial private jets such as the Falcon using the same software.
At the same location, this writer was then taken to the "Immersive Reality Centre," where virtual designs were highlighted with greater details.
Here, customers are given the opportunity to take a closer look at the virtual design and customise external and internal dimensions, colour and other features before the start of production.
RAFALE'S FINAL ASSEMBLY
The flight from Paris to Bordeaux, where Rafale's final assembly plant is located, takes 15 minutes.
Here, the components from different defence contractors located around France are brought together and assembled. It takes about six months to assemble a Rafale fighter jet.
This assembly plant in Merignac has the capacity to roll out about 10 of such multi-purpose fighter jets in a year.
After the assembly process is complete, the Rafale undergoes ground test within the same plant with its avionics, navigation, communication and weapon systems put to test.
Then, the test pilot takes the aircraft to the sky to evaluate its airworthiness and safety before it is handed over to the customer.
RAFALE IN ACTION
The French airbase located in Saint Dizier has 47 Rafale fighter jets in operation.
"Since the September 11 incident, which took place in 2001, the time for the Rafale to be airborne upon receiving instructions has been reduced to two minutes from 15 minutes previously," noted Lt Col Nicolas Lyaufey.
Lyaufey is now the Head of Aerial Operations for one of the squadrons at the airbase.
This pilot has logged 1,000 flying hours on Rafale, and vouches for the aircraft's agility and tactical prowess. He flew the aircraft during the operations in Mali, where 60 percent of the air strikes using Rafale were conducted in the night.
"Rafale has the capability of firing an assortment of six weapons in one go," he said, adding that the mission in Mali had recorded a 97 percent success rate.
"We deployed six Rafale fighters in Mali and dropped more than 80 bombs using the aircraft," he noted.
PROVEN CAPABILITY IN WARFARE
Rafale, just like many of its American counterparts, has a number of unique advantages and is well positioned to replace Malaysia's MiG 29N.
Nevertheless, what differentiates this Dassault Aviation's masterpiece from its competitors is its proven omnirole capability in warfare, which is still at the prototype stage for many producers of fighter jets.
Due to its omnirole capability, Rafale can be used in aerial engagements, to conduct attacks from the air to the ground and from the air to the sea, for aerial reconnaissance and also to deter a nuclear attack.
But will Rafale meet Malaysia's defence requirements and is it worthwhile to invest in this plane? This is something people at RMAF will be looking into, and Rafale will certainly be one of the choices to consider.
-- BERNAMA
BERNAMA - Rafale, French Air Force And Navy's Potent Hardware
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sorry i would be back after sometime with the updates
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So I was right... what do I win?
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Indian MMRCA Bill Balloons To $17 Billion
The value Indian MMRCA deal is set to inflate to a whopping $17 billion from the original $12 billion by the end of this year thanks to the falling Indian rupee.The rupee currently stands at INR 59. 80 against the dollar and economists predict this number could rise up to INR 65 by the end of this year.
At the time of the announcement in January 2012, the rupee was being traded at INR 42 against the dollar and the deal was then valued at approximately $12 billion for 126 fighter jets.
With the current value of the rupee, the deal could potentially be worth $15 billion. However, if negotiations are postponed until later this year India may very well end up with a $17 billion bill from Dassault.
The deal was originally expected to be concluded by June 2012; however both sides have been unable to reach an agreement.
Earlier last month, top executives from HAL and Dassault Aviation met on the sidelines of the Paris Air Show to discuss the progress of ongoing projects.
However, both companies refused to entertain any media queries about the MMRCA contract.
"Both the teams expressed satisfaction on the work already achieved by the integrated teams and renewed their commitment towards successful completion of the various projects," they said in an official statement.
Offset hurdles have been the major road block to signing the deal. Dassault earlier this year wrote to the Indian MoD demanding it be given the overall responsibility of the project and clearly identify HALs role.
Despite the ministry asserting that HAL would act as the project's 'lead-integrator' as per the terms of the RFI issued in 2007, Dassault is now insisting that it be given the freedom to decide on the quantum of work to be shared between companies.
According to the original terms, eighteen of the 126 planes are to be purchased directly from Dassault, while HAL will manufacture the other 108 under a licence at an upcoming facility in Bangalore.
Once the contract has been signed, HAL will have a very short period to set up an entirely new assembly line for the Rafale fighters. According to a report published by a French publication Usine Nouvelle last year, Dassault could end up producing more than 18 aircraft in France than originally agreed to because "they (some 500 French companies) would still get far more than 50% of the production associated with the future contract during the initial years".
The report also adds that although "the RFP originally demanded offsets of 50% of the contract value and technology transfers, several factors could explain this work division that is so favorable for French industry".
Meanwhile, in 2012 the Indian government mandated that transfer of technology could be counted as offsets, though it might not apply to the MMRCA as this tender was floated under the earlier procurement policy. This also could be an issue of contention in the commercial negotiations as the MMRCA contracts mandates 50% offsets.
Meanwhile, French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said that his country hopes to begin exporting Rafales to India by 2016.
Le Drian is expected to visit New Delhi soon to conclude the Indian MMRCA contract, the report added.
The value Indian MMRCA deal is set to inflate to a whopping $17 billion from the original $12 billion by the end of this year thanks to the falling Indian rupee.The rupee currently stands at INR 59. 80 against the dollar and economists predict this number could rise up to INR 65 by the end of this year.
At the time of the announcement in January 2012, the rupee was being traded at INR 42 against the dollar and the deal was then valued at approximately $12 billion for 126 fighter jets.
With the current value of the rupee, the deal could potentially be worth $15 billion. However, if negotiations are postponed until later this year India may very well end up with a $17 billion bill from Dassault.
The deal was originally expected to be concluded by June 2012; however both sides have been unable to reach an agreement.
Earlier last month, top executives from HAL and Dassault Aviation met on the sidelines of the Paris Air Show to discuss the progress of ongoing projects.
However, both companies refused to entertain any media queries about the MMRCA contract.
"Both the teams expressed satisfaction on the work already achieved by the integrated teams and renewed their commitment towards successful completion of the various projects," they said in an official statement.
Offset hurdles have been the major road block to signing the deal. Dassault earlier this year wrote to the Indian MoD demanding it be given the overall responsibility of the project and clearly identify HALs role.
Despite the ministry asserting that HAL would act as the project's 'lead-integrator' as per the terms of the RFI issued in 2007, Dassault is now insisting that it be given the freedom to decide on the quantum of work to be shared between companies.
According to the original terms, eighteen of the 126 planes are to be purchased directly from Dassault, while HAL will manufacture the other 108 under a licence at an upcoming facility in Bangalore.
Once the contract has been signed, HAL will have a very short period to set up an entirely new assembly line for the Rafale fighters. According to a report published by a French publication Usine Nouvelle last year, Dassault could end up producing more than 18 aircraft in France than originally agreed to because "they (some 500 French companies) would still get far more than 50% of the production associated with the future contract during the initial years".
The report also adds that although "the RFP originally demanded offsets of 50% of the contract value and technology transfers, several factors could explain this work division that is so favorable for French industry".
Meanwhile, in 2012 the Indian government mandated that transfer of technology could be counted as offsets, though it might not apply to the MMRCA as this tender was floated under the earlier procurement policy. This also could be an issue of contention in the commercial negotiations as the MMRCA contracts mandates 50% offsets.
Meanwhile, French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said that his country hopes to begin exporting Rafales to India by 2016.
Le Drian is expected to visit New Delhi soon to conclude the Indian MMRCA contract, the report added.
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Indian AF Official Removed After Dassault Bribery Charge
Jul. 16, 2013
NEW DELHI — Following complaints from an official of France's Dassault, which is the preferred vendor in the $11 billion Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) program, an Indian Air Force official was dismissed from service today.
Air Force Wing Commander A.K. Thakur allegedly demanded a bribe from a Dassault executive in the Aero India show at Bangalore in 2011. Court-martial proceedings against the official confirmed the charge leveled by the Dassault official, said Indian Air Force sources.
Thakur was accused of demanding a bribe for allotting an advantageous position for the Rafale in the static aircraft display section.
Rafale is the preferred aircraft in the MMRCA program and talks are now in the contract negotiation stage. The MMRCA program was floated globally in 2007, and the contract has still not been inked.
While the dismissal of the Air Force official is unlikely to affect the outcome of the negotiations, Air Force sources said the incident created bitterness among some service officials toward the French company.
Indian AF Official Removed After Dassault Bribery Charge | Defense News | defensenews.com
Jul. 16, 2013
NEW DELHI — Following complaints from an official of France's Dassault, which is the preferred vendor in the $11 billion Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) program, an Indian Air Force official was dismissed from service today.
Air Force Wing Commander A.K. Thakur allegedly demanded a bribe from a Dassault executive in the Aero India show at Bangalore in 2011. Court-martial proceedings against the official confirmed the charge leveled by the Dassault official, said Indian Air Force sources.
Thakur was accused of demanding a bribe for allotting an advantageous position for the Rafale in the static aircraft display section.
Rafale is the preferred aircraft in the MMRCA program and talks are now in the contract negotiation stage. The MMRCA program was floated globally in 2007, and the contract has still not been inked.
While the dismissal of the Air Force official is unlikely to affect the outcome of the negotiations, Air Force sources said the incident created bitterness among some service officials toward the French company.
Indian AF Official Removed After Dassault Bribery Charge | Defense News | defensenews.com
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Chicoms would love that.
Sure, can't wait to see how disappointed French are if that happened.Chicoms would love that.
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IAI top executive (interviewed about unrelated topic in Air&Cosmos) : Israeli stuff being integrated in Indian Rafales!!!
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@halloweene That's interesting news, any links ?
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No it is not online. No detail anw.
Sorry but did u mean more expensive?lolHmm.. Issy goodies on the Raffy should be the way to go, the Raffy would get even deadlier
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France's Dassault: India Seeks To Close Rafale Deal In 6 Months-Report
The Indian government is seeking to close the negotiation over the acquisition of 126 Rafale fighter jets within six months, newspaper Les Echos reports, quoting Eric Trappier, the international director from French airplane manufacturer Dassault Aviation SA.
The Dassault executive expects the negotiations will end with a firm order. The Indian government selected Dassault for exclusive negotiations on the order, estimated to be worth $10 billion.
Trappier also said Brazil's bidding process for 36 fighter jets, estimated to be worth as much as $5 billion, is still frozen by the government.
For the Brazilian contract, Boeing Co. (BA) has offered its F-18 Super Hornet against Dassault's Rafale and Gripen aircraft from Swedish manufacturer Saab (SAAB-B.SK). Brazilian government officials have recently hinted they are leaning toward the purchase of Rafale aircraft after the Indian government picked Dassault.
https://www.4-traders.com/DASSAULT-...lose-Rafale-Deal-In-6-Months-Report-14223762/
Courtesy: Olybrius/Mp.net
The Indian government is seeking to close the negotiation over the acquisition of 126 Rafale fighter jets within six months, newspaper Les Echos reports, quoting Eric Trappier, the international director from French airplane manufacturer Dassault Aviation SA.
The Dassault executive expects the negotiations will end with a firm order. The Indian government selected Dassault for exclusive negotiations on the order, estimated to be worth $10 billion.
Trappier also said Brazil's bidding process for 36 fighter jets, estimated to be worth as much as $5 billion, is still frozen by the government.
For the Brazilian contract, Boeing Co. (BA) has offered its F-18 Super Hornet against Dassault's Rafale and Gripen aircraft from Swedish manufacturer Saab (SAAB-B.SK). Brazilian government officials have recently hinted they are leaning toward the purchase of Rafale aircraft after the Indian government picked Dassault.
https://www.4-traders.com/DASSAULT-...lose-Rafale-Deal-In-6-Months-Report-14223762/
Courtesy: Olybrius/Mp.net
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