Know Your 'Rafale'

[p2prada]

No they are not. If they have something to black out they will, but the video stream is not altered. There is nothing confidential about the resolution of a targeting pod.

Ok. But there are pilots on Keypub, WAB or Milpro (forgot which) forums who don't agree with you.

Vishnu Som was actually ranting about it on the forum after flying the Rafale and one of the senior pilots corrected him, saying what I just said. A civvie won't get actual resolution footage, it is heavily degraded.

 

[Armand2REP]

Ok. But there are pilots on Keypub, WAB or Milpro (forgot which) forums who don't agree with you.

Vishnu Som was actually ranting about it on the forum after flying the Rafale and one of the senior pilots corrected him, saying what I just said. A civvie won't get actual resolution footage, it is heavily degraded.

It is degraded to the extent of file conversion, often several times before it hits the web. It isn't a screening measure by the military. If they are going to censor something they will literally block it out. From F-16 pilots of that forum.

 

[p2prada]

It is degraded to the extent of file conversion, often several times before it hits the web. It isn't a screening measure by the military. If they are going to censor something they will literally block it out. From F-16 pilots of that forum.

Sorry but this is what I know. I won't agree with you because video quality is much more clearer on older FLIRs, even police videos.

Lowering video quality isn't difficult.

Btw, what Vishnu Som was talking about is when he compared the F-16's FLIR quality as compared to Rafale's when he was sitting in the cockpit and actually using these instruments. Not something he took off of the web.

The point is the youtube videos are misrepresenting facts that cannot yet be verified using open source documentation. We can only rely on what little information we can get from mil pros in this case.

 

[Armand2REP]

Sorry but this is what I know. I won't agree with you because video quality is much more clearer on older FLIRs, even police videos.

Lowering video quality isn't difficult.

Btw, what Vishnu Som was talking about is when he compared the F-16's FLIR quality as compared to Rafale's when he was sitting in the cockpit and actually using these instruments. Not something he took off of the web.

The point is the youtube videos are misrepresenting facts that cannot yet be verified using open source documentation. We can only rely on what little information we can get from mil pros in this case.

There is a big difference between police videos and older FLIR to todays FLIR. Most videos you see are going to be camera which has higher resolutions, then there is near IR which has good resolution and IR which is the lowest at range. IR is easy to tell but near IR and camera is sometimes difficult because heat sources don't show up well, it looks basically black and white. Police FLIR is usually from a low flying helicopter much closer to the target while aircraft FLIR is going to be at greater ranges, thus making a comparison of quality inconsistent. To a lesser level is the same of older FLIR with aircraft getting closer to the target than the stand-off ranges today. You might not be able to see much difference between a Jaguar strike during the Gulf War to a Rafale over Libya. Difference is much longer range and the use of night-time near IR compared to daytime cameras.

The point is, if you don't know the ranges or the difference between near IR and camera, you aren't going to have enough information to make a true comparison. The point with my OP was to show Litening can be even grainier than Damocles and it no better. Only the Northrop Grumman G4 is better, Domacles is equal to Israeli models.

 

[Virendra]

@Armand2REP
Have a question for you.
Is it technically possible to arm the Rafale with the CBU-105 cluster ammunition?
If yes, how hard or easy is it going to be in terms of implementation in case the Indian side desires so.
Could there be any software/hardware compatibility issues or policy complications?

Regards,
Virendra

 

[Armand2REP]

@Armand2REP
Have a question for you.
Is it technically possible to arm the Rafale with the CBU-105 cluster ammunition?
If yes, how hard or easy is it going to be in terms of implementation in case the Indian side desires so.
Could there be any software/hardware compatibility issues or policy complications?

Regards,
Virendra

It is a freefall bomb, it requires no integration. Just get the right mount for the pylon, it should be pretty standard.

 

[Sarah Bruno]

It is a freefall bomb, it requires no integration. Just get the right mount for the pylon, it should be pretty standard.

I dont agree with you (juste this time). Each new weapon have to be tested. First for aerodynamics separation tests, then, you must integrate some characteristic in the system calculator. However, how the plane will calculate de impact point of the ammo ?

 

[Armand2REP]

I dont agree with you (juste this time). Each new weapon have to be tested. First for aerodynamics separation tests, then, you must integrate some characteristic in the system calculator. However, how the plane will calculate de impact point of the ammo ?

It is a dumb bomb with a certain mass and weight. The mission software has a calculator for such things.

 

[Sarah Bruno]

It is a dumb bomb with a certain mass and weight. The mission software has a calculator for such things.

with special aerodynamics, an own center of gravity. This is not just a rock.
Must still enter this information in the plane's computer
separations's tests are really important.

 

[Armand2REP]

with special aerodynamics, an own center of gravity. This is not just a rock.
Must still enter this information in the plane's computer
separations's tests are really important.

They would need to drop it a couple times with training rounds for calibration. The cost is a non-issue.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Rafale F3..

 

[Drsomnath999]

Future Rafale with CFT, stealth cocoons and redesigned air inlet:

 

[Drsomnath999]

New Factory at HAL To Build Avionics for Indian Aircraft

"Phase-II will undertake the manufacture of Avionics for medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) like Automatic Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Radar, Electronic Warfare (EW) Suite, Communication and Navigation equipments besides other indigenous projects like Softnet Defined Radio, Interrogate Friend-Foe (IFF) Mark-XII etc.," says the HAL statement.

New Factory at HAL To Build Avionics for Indian Aircraft | Defense News | defensenews.com

 

[SpArK]

Dont miss this video FanBoYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SpArK]

Flash: Indian MoD's capital acquisition budget slashed by $2-billion. This could impact MMRCA, light copter deals.

 

[Snuggy321]

Flash: Indian MoD's capital acquisition budget slashed by $2-billion. This could impact MMRCA, light copter deals.

I dont think that it will affect MMRCA, more likely deals like the light helo deal as you mentioned.

 

[cloud_9]

So from Rs. 79578.63 crores its revised to Rs. 67672.24 crores

 

[jalsa]

Hope they sign the deal soon, we cannot afford to have decreasing squadron numbers especially with the Chinese evil intentions.

 

[jalsa]

What is the RCS of rafale when fully loaded with weapons and drop tanks?

 

[Drsomnath999]

What is the RCS of rafale when fully loaded with weapons and drop tanks?

welll exact value is classified ,no body can tell u accurately the exact figures but it's value is estimated to be around 1 m2 or less than that but no way greater than 1m2
according to global security

Radar Cross Section (RCS)

but one should remember that if rafale's SPECTRA is turned on, then rafale's detection range by enemy AWACS/Jets/SAM radars decreases dramatically .