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The pic is a F22.
And all the F35 supporters will answer that F35 is made to see and shoot in BVR....
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This is a clean Viper.
Now if you load this thing with missiles and bombs, it won't pull the same. Same for the Rafale.. but the F-35 can. So can the F-22.
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Rafale isn't some slouch though, so I don't understand this bullshit F-35 vs Rafale thing LOL. Just reeks of insecurity.
A friend sent this video to me, so you can see it is pretty mean. Max pull rate when he crosses about 150 heading turning to the left.
A friend sent this video to me, so you can see it is pretty mean. Max pull rate when he crosses about 150 heading turning to the left.
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Murkhvimanchalak ji , what I see from that video is how difficult it is actually to perform under Gforce stress on a body .
I noticed this first when I saw a target pod video /vedio ( spelling disputed ) of a Mirage F1 of the Al Quwwat al Jawwiyah al Iraqiyyah attacking iranian targets with exocets .
That video is insane , given the limited supply of exocets they had ,they performed well .
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yes g force is a big big factor. even the world war 2 aces didn't pull more than 4-5 on average, this Rafale pilot and all pilots flying planes from 1980s+ are pulling 8-9Gs for long long periods(30-45 seconds++)
I talked with an European F-16 pilot regarding this and he told me the required fortitude is always kind of 50-50. some days you feel great, you can maybe pull even 11Gs, but then some days, maybe because you had less sleep, you ate less, or didn't exercise, you will black out at 6 or 7. It is a very demanding profession
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Can you link this video too? Sounds really interesting
Here's one I know
Iranian Phantom shooting Iraqi MiGs.
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https://youtu.be/NblKSqssoq4
The video i saw was a compilation of these ones , although I gave you the link of all videos seprate as I can't find taht compilation anymore.
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some news about F4 and F5 std :
A totally new radar is on the drawing board for a 2030 entry date (with all the previously developped software, ie a fully mature radar from the begining) : a fully GaN radar, RBE2 XG (extended Generation). This radar will operate in X, Ka and Ku bands, and be ready for high power jamming in coordination with the evolved GaN Spectra suite.
A new operational UCAV will be developped by Dassault, based on N@uron, to help the Rafale F5 to counter S350 - S400 and S500 SAM. Between two and four of these UCAVs could be driven by each Rafale F5.
In addition, two types of Remote Carrier are developed by MDBA for the SCAF , with a rapid integration to rafale F5 : the RC 100 and the bigger and heavyer RC 200. The Rafale F5 will be able to carry 8 of these remote carriers.
Operating in packs, exchanging information to distribute roles, these Remote Carriers do not only have the role of entering a contested or totally jammed space to saturate the opposing defenses with deception or strike tactics. They must also make it possible to uncover out hidden surveillance or tracking radars, thanks to their optical sensors, but also to identify, by angular listening, the characteristics of the adversary sensors to optimize the electronic attacks of the RBE2 XG.
The Pod Talios and the new IRST which was developed in collaboration with IAF use Middle Wave Infra red technology. Talios would be able to visualize, in discretion because passive, engine plume at nearly 200 km and the new IRST would have a range of more than 100 km to engage an aerial target with a MICA NG missile without use of the Radar when RF discretion is required.
These new tech make possible to pursue stealthy platforms such as the SU-57 and the J-20.
The MICA NG will begin its tests at the Biscarosse base from 2023 and could go into production from 2026 to equip the Rafale F4. The progress made on its passive or active seekers, both in terms of performance and miniaturization, makes this development possible. Size reduction of the seekers allow a bugger and dual pulse motor. Its target engagement capabilities are around 100 km (in IR version) and 130 km (in RF version).
The new RF seeker will be an AESA one. It will be the basis of the new modernized METEOR seeker (as the RF seeker of the legacy MICA was used on Meteor).
A totally new radar is on the drawing board for a 2030 entry date (with all the previously developped software, ie a fully mature radar from the begining) : a fully GaN radar, RBE2 XG (extended Generation). This radar will operate in X, Ka and Ku bands, and be ready for high power jamming in coordination with the evolved GaN Spectra suite.
A new operational UCAV will be developped by Dassault, based on N@uron, to help the Rafale F5 to counter S350 - S400 and S500 SAM. Between two and four of these UCAVs could be driven by each Rafale F5.
In addition, two types of Remote Carrier are developed by MDBA for the SCAF , with a rapid integration to rafale F5 : the RC 100 and the bigger and heavyer RC 200. The Rafale F5 will be able to carry 8 of these remote carriers.
Operating in packs, exchanging information to distribute roles, these Remote Carriers do not only have the role of entering a contested or totally jammed space to saturate the opposing defenses with deception or strike tactics. They must also make it possible to uncover out hidden surveillance or tracking radars, thanks to their optical sensors, but also to identify, by angular listening, the characteristics of the adversary sensors to optimize the electronic attacks of the RBE2 XG.
The Pod Talios and the new IRST which was developed in collaboration with IAF use Middle Wave Infra red technology. Talios would be able to visualize, in discretion because passive, engine plume at nearly 200 km and the new IRST would have a range of more than 100 km to engage an aerial target with a MICA NG missile without use of the Radar when RF discretion is required.
These new tech make possible to pursue stealthy platforms such as the SU-57 and the J-20.
The MICA NG will begin its tests at the Biscarosse base from 2023 and could go into production from 2026 to equip the Rafale F4. The progress made on its passive or active seekers, both in terms of performance and miniaturization, makes this development possible. Size reduction of the seekers allow a bugger and dual pulse motor. Its target engagement capabilities are around 100 km (in IR version) and 130 km (in RF version).
The new RF seeker will be an AESA one. It will be the basis of the new modernized METEOR seeker (as the RF seeker of the legacy MICA was used on Meteor).
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provides sources please, also 5th gens have a low infrared profile than 4th gens depending what measurement they are taking in range.
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In clean all these fighters can turn 8G to 11G.
with loads, in bay or not, they all are limited to 5G more or less, for frame mechanical resistance.
A bird with bay, even in clean situation or air to air config, has a higher drag because it is bigger. This is easily visible in case of F35 (fat bird).
A bird without bay has more drag in heavy config.
And please, don't compare F35 and F22. F22 is really a master piece, F35 don't.
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My source is a french newspaper called Air & Cosmos. With a special edition of end of July about Rafale F5
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Deal to buy 26 Rafale M | The Navy gets new wings
Story by Pradip R. Sagar •1w
At last, after nearly a year of deliberations, the matter of selecting fighter aircraft for India's newly inducted indigenous aircraft carrier, INS Vikrant, has been settled. On July 13, when Prime Minister Narendra Modi was on his way to Paris for a two-day visit, a meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) convened by defence minister Rajnath Singh granted the Acceptance of Necessity (AoN) to the Indian Navy to acquire 26 Rafale Marine (Rafale-M) fighter jets from France. The deal to procure the Rafale-Ms will cost India at least $8 billion (Rs 65,920 crore) and will be executed through an inter-governmental agreement between India and France. India will acquire 22 single-seater Rafale-Ms and four of its twin-seater trainer versions. They are expected to be based at Visakhapatnam, the home base of INS Vikrant.
According to military aviators, the Rafale-M is considered among the world's most advanced carrier-borne fighter jets, and its induction in the Indian Navy will add immense capability in terms of its strike, air defence and reconnaissance missions.
The AoN being the first stage of a long-drawn process of defence procurement, officials involved in negotiations claim that it will take months, or even a year, to finalise the Rafale-M deal. Once the negotiations on cost and techno-commercial details are concluded, the deal will require final clearance from the Cabinet Committee on Security chaired by PM Modi before being finally inked. The first Rafale-M is expected to arrive in India at least two-three years after the contract is signed. However, some MoD officials say that given the urgency of the matter, the Indian Navy might ask Rafale manufacturer Dassault Aviation to spare at least four or five Rafale-Ms from its ongoing orders for the French navy.
Though expectations were high that Modi may announce the deal after bilateral discussions with French president Emanuel Macron in Paris, the Rafale-M did not figure in the joint statement by the leaders. Some in the Indian government believe that given the controversy and Opposition criticism following Modi's announcement in 2015 about the acquisition of 36 Rafales for the Indian Air Force, the PM has taken a cautious approach this time, especially considering the fast approaching Lok Sabha election in 2024. However, Dassault Aviation in a press release on July 14 announced that the India had selected the naval variant of Rafale fighter jets for its navy.
The Rafale-M was in contention along with the US's Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet for the flight deck of INS Vikrant. Last year, both fighters displayed their capabilities during trials at the shore-based INS Hansa test facility in Goa, which simulated the deck of INS Vikramaditya, the navy's other aircraft carrier. The two fighters went through extensive capability trials, including take-off on a ski-jump ramp. This technique, called short take-off but arrested recovery or STOBAR, is used on INS Vikramaditya and INS Vikrant. In the end, the Rafale-M was deemed more suitable by the navy.
Road to Rafale
The Indian Navy has been operating the Russian-made Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29K fighters from its aircraft carriers ever since the British-made Sea Harriers were phased out after serving for almost three decades. In 2004 and in 2010, 45 MiG-29Ks and associated equipment were ordered at a cost of $2.2 billion (nearly Rs 14,000 crore) in two tranches from Russia. But the MiG-29Ks that operate from INS Vikramaditya had a terrible record of accidents, with five aircraft crashing in the past four years, most recently in October 2022. In addition, a 2016 report by the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) flagged the occurrence of mid-air engine failures and defects in the airframe of the MiG-29K. "The MiG-29K, which is a carrier-borne multi-role aircraft…is riddled with problems relating to the airframe, RD MK-33 engine and fly-by-wire system," the report had said. This ruled out the MiG-29k for service in the navy's second, newest aircraft carrier, the INS Vikrant.
In 2019, the Indian Navy initiated the process to acquire 57 multi-role combat aircraft for its carriers. Simultaneously, India's indigenous Twin Engine Deck Based Fighter (TEDBF) is being developed by the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), a department of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). But it is still in the research and development stage, with the first test flight expected by 2026 and induction by 2031. Till that time, the navy decided to get 26 fighter aircraft for INS Vikrant as a 'stopgap arrangement'. Twelve Russian-origin MiG-29Ks are likely to be deployed on INS Vikrant till the Rafale-Ms join the naval fleet.
After sustained trials of the Rafale-M and the bigger Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet, the navy in its report to the MoD in December 2022 stated that the French fighter jet was found to be "more suitable in meeting the operational requirements and criteria". Naval sources claim that the F-18 had difficulty fitting into the INS Vikrant's elevator even with its foldable wings. This was a big operational handicap. Though the Rafale-M does not have foldable wings, Dassault has agreed to make design changes—like tweaking the pylon structure of the aircraft—to make it suitable for the Vikrant. This enabled it to clear the Navy's technical parameters.
Story by Pradip R. Sagar •1w
At last, after nearly a year of deliberations, the matter of selecting fighter aircraft for India's newly inducted indigenous aircraft carrier, INS Vikrant, has been settled. On July 13, when Prime Minister Narendra Modi was on his way to Paris for a two-day visit, a meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) convened by defence minister Rajnath Singh granted the Acceptance of Necessity (AoN) to the Indian Navy to acquire 26 Rafale Marine (Rafale-M) fighter jets from France. The deal to procure the Rafale-Ms will cost India at least $8 billion (Rs 65,920 crore) and will be executed through an inter-governmental agreement between India and France. India will acquire 22 single-seater Rafale-Ms and four of its twin-seater trainer versions. They are expected to be based at Visakhapatnam, the home base of INS Vikrant.
According to military aviators, the Rafale-M is considered among the world's most advanced carrier-borne fighter jets, and its induction in the Indian Navy will add immense capability in terms of its strike, air defence and reconnaissance missions.
The AoN being the first stage of a long-drawn process of defence procurement, officials involved in negotiations claim that it will take months, or even a year, to finalise the Rafale-M deal. Once the negotiations on cost and techno-commercial details are concluded, the deal will require final clearance from the Cabinet Committee on Security chaired by PM Modi before being finally inked. The first Rafale-M is expected to arrive in India at least two-three years after the contract is signed. However, some MoD officials say that given the urgency of the matter, the Indian Navy might ask Rafale manufacturer Dassault Aviation to spare at least four or five Rafale-Ms from its ongoing orders for the French navy.
Though expectations were high that Modi may announce the deal after bilateral discussions with French president Emanuel Macron in Paris, the Rafale-M did not figure in the joint statement by the leaders. Some in the Indian government believe that given the controversy and Opposition criticism following Modi's announcement in 2015 about the acquisition of 36 Rafales for the Indian Air Force, the PM has taken a cautious approach this time, especially considering the fast approaching Lok Sabha election in 2024. However, Dassault Aviation in a press release on July 14 announced that the India had selected the naval variant of Rafale fighter jets for its navy.
The Rafale-M was in contention along with the US's Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet for the flight deck of INS Vikrant. Last year, both fighters displayed their capabilities during trials at the shore-based INS Hansa test facility in Goa, which simulated the deck of INS Vikramaditya, the navy's other aircraft carrier. The two fighters went through extensive capability trials, including take-off on a ski-jump ramp. This technique, called short take-off but arrested recovery or STOBAR, is used on INS Vikramaditya and INS Vikrant. In the end, the Rafale-M was deemed more suitable by the navy.
Road to Rafale
The Indian Navy has been operating the Russian-made Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29K fighters from its aircraft carriers ever since the British-made Sea Harriers were phased out after serving for almost three decades. In 2004 and in 2010, 45 MiG-29Ks and associated equipment were ordered at a cost of $2.2 billion (nearly Rs 14,000 crore) in two tranches from Russia. But the MiG-29Ks that operate from INS Vikramaditya had a terrible record of accidents, with five aircraft crashing in the past four years, most recently in October 2022. In addition, a 2016 report by the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) flagged the occurrence of mid-air engine failures and defects in the airframe of the MiG-29K. "The MiG-29K, which is a carrier-borne multi-role aircraft…is riddled with problems relating to the airframe, RD MK-33 engine and fly-by-wire system," the report had said. This ruled out the MiG-29k for service in the navy's second, newest aircraft carrier, the INS Vikrant.
In 2019, the Indian Navy initiated the process to acquire 57 multi-role combat aircraft for its carriers. Simultaneously, India's indigenous Twin Engine Deck Based Fighter (TEDBF) is being developed by the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), a department of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). But it is still in the research and development stage, with the first test flight expected by 2026 and induction by 2031. Till that time, the navy decided to get 26 fighter aircraft for INS Vikrant as a 'stopgap arrangement'. Twelve Russian-origin MiG-29Ks are likely to be deployed on INS Vikrant till the Rafale-Ms join the naval fleet.
After sustained trials of the Rafale-M and the bigger Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet, the navy in its report to the MoD in December 2022 stated that the French fighter jet was found to be "more suitable in meeting the operational requirements and criteria". Naval sources claim that the F-18 had difficulty fitting into the INS Vikrant's elevator even with its foldable wings. This was a big operational handicap. Though the Rafale-M does not have foldable wings, Dassault has agreed to make design changes—like tweaking the pylon structure of the aircraft—to make it suitable for the Vikrant. This enabled it to clear the Navy's technical parameters.
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screenshot the source since I am not paying for that shit. The only selling point left going for the Rafale is just electronics. France needs a new aviation platform than its current radar and infrared signatureMy source is a french newspaper called Air & Cosmos. With a special edition of end of July about Rafale F5
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sells better than russian junk lol
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well, it seems russian junk is better if they are too scared to send Rafael's against old gen Russian fighters in Ukraine lol
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