Know Your 'Rafale'

[BON PLAN]

screenshot the source since I am not paying for that shit. The only selling point left going for the Rafale is just electronics. France needs a new aviation platform than its current radar and infrared signature

I gave my source. I don't have time to scan the newspaper (and in french. Do you read french ?)

since 2010 and the MMRCA project, we knew offically (some documents shown to indian top brass were released) that Dassault had a road map up to F7 and 2070 for Rafale.

The last F5 program is just a little bit stronger than anticipated because SCAF is late, and we need a fighter potent enough for deterrence (and a deterrence able SCAF will never be the first version of the bird).

But Yes, there well be another bird after Rafale in the future. It's not so urgent. And even if SCAF will become real, I think Dassault will need a lighter bird for export because SCAF, as F22, will not be affordable enough for export. So an evolved Rafale (this is why a strong road map is important so as to give confidence to potentail purchaser) or a Super Rafale of 12Tons (... ???) is likely.

F5 is also inteded to integrate some modifications coming from DEDIRA project (DEDIRA = DEmonstrateur de DIscrétion RAfale = stealthier Rafale demonstrator) alredy flying for years, but never spotted. It is very secret and fly only by night.

 

[vin bharat mahan]

r we going to integrate SAAW, astra 1 nd 2 nd rudram series anti radiation missiles in rafale, anytime soon?? these type of missiles not available in rafale.

 

[blackjack]

I gave my source. I don't have time to scan the newspaper (and in french. Do you read french ?)

since 2010 and the MMRCA project, we knew offically (some documents shown to indian top brass were released) that Dassault had a road map up to F7 and 2070 for Rafale.

The last F5 program is just a little bit stronger than anticipated because SCAF is late, and we need a fighter potent enough for deterrence (and a deterrence able SCAF will never be the first version of the bird).

But Yes, there well be another bird after Rafale in the future. It's not so urgent. And even if SCAF will become real, I think Dassault will need a lighter bird for export because SCAF, as F22, will not be affordable enough for export. So an evolved Rafale (this is why a strong road map is important so as to give confidence to potentail purchaser) or a Super Rafale of 12Tons (... ???) is likely.

F5 is also inteded to integrate some modifications coming from DEDIRA project (DEDIRA = DEmonstrateur de DIscrétion RAfale = stealthier Rafale demonstrator) alredy flying for years, but never spotted. It is very secret and fly only by night.

anyone can talk out of their ass, if your using a computer going on the task bar and type, snip than an app will pop up where you can screenshot what the range says from that newspaper upload it here like this.

France is too broke to start a 5th gen program in general and might lose some income from africa.

 

[jouy31]

Confirmation of the second batch of Rafale for Indonesia: 18 aircraft, in addition to the earlier batch of 6, with the last 18 expected to be confirmed by year's end.

Dassault adds 18 more Rafale to Indonesia backlog - AeroTime

Dassault Aviation has announced the inclusion of 18 Rafale fighters for Indonesia in its order backlog.

www.aerotime.aero

 

[BON PLAN]

r we going to integrate SAAW, astra 1 nd 2 nd rudram series anti radiation missiles in rafale, anytime soon?? these type of missiles not available in rafale.

Except if you want an Indian missile (a very good reason !) no special need of ASTRA 1 and 2 with MICA (and next MICA NG) and Meteor already in your arsenal.
For SAAW, Rudram and light Brahmos it wouls be a very good idea and some more teeth for Rafale indeed.

 

[BON PLAN]

France is too broke to start a 5th gen program in general and might lose some income from africa.

Typical answer of average american people, because except some rare genius main of you are stupid.

5th gen according to LM itself : affordable, sensor fusion, stealth, super cruise, F16 like agile.
The sole 5th gen in the west is F22, except for affordable.
F35 fall short on super cruise and is not affordable (how many costly upgrade to be war ready? LOL)
Rafale is not a VLO but a LO.
And sorry for you, but see how the rafale is now an export best seller (next order yesterday with 18 more for Indonesia). Not so bad for a country 7th time smaller than USA.

 

[BON PLAN]

anyone can talk out of their ass, if your using a computer going on the task bar and type, snip than an app will pop up where you can screenshot what the range says from that newspaper upload it here like this.

Specially for my very averaged american citizen :

(I hope you know a little bit french, but probably not as you probably think that except USA there is nothing good in the world)

 

[vin bharat mahan]

Except if you want an Indian missile (a very good reason !) no special need of ASTRA 1 and 2 with MICA (and next MICA NG) and Meteor already in your arsenal.
For SAAW, Rudram and light Brahmos it wouls be a very good idea and some more teeth for Rafale indeed.

currently MICA RF version missile hv 80 km range, so its better to use 110 km range astra 1 missile. astra 2 missile is dual pulse bvr missile, which hv 160+ km range. right now france havnt any dual pulse bvr missile. meteor is very good bvr missile nd 200 km range with throttleable engine. but its quite expensive (2 million dollar/euro). so i think its better to integrate 4 type of bvr missile in one rafale:-
1:- two MICA IR.
2:- two astra 1 (110 km).
3:- two astra 2 (160 km).
4:- two meteor missile.
india is also working on meteor type throttable missile. which name is SDFR. but i dont think france will agree to replace MICA IR nd meteor from indian rafale. for obvious reason.

 

[blackjack]

let me translate his pages to english here.

 

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[blackjack]

Specially for my very averaged american citizen :

(I hope you know a little bit french, but probably not as you probably think that except USA there is nothing good in the world)

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the 100kms doesn't specify if its the front or the back of an aircraft like the OLS-35 tracking a target 90kms from the back. This entire article is stating that the Rafaele is a 5th gen for slapping new electronics and missiles on it, not even the Russians call the Su-35 a 5th gen for getting new electronics and missiles on it nor do the Americans call the F-16V a 5th gen for new missiles and electronics. The same outdated design of a high radar and infrared signature will exist for the aircraft. Even the F-35 and Su-57 are undergoing modernization on their electronics and missiles.

I am more concerned about the cost to.

 

[Freedom Thru Firepower]

 

[spacemarine2023]

Except if you want an Indian missile (a very good reason !) no special need of ASTRA 1 and 2 with MICA (and next MICA NG) and Meteor already in your arsenal.
For SAAW, Rudram and light Brahmos it wouls be a very good idea and some more teeth for Rafale indeed.

India wants Indian missiles because we can’t afford Europe prices, even if Mica newer gen is some what better than Astra but comes up with double the price India will prefer cheaper, we are not arab sheiks heard u frenchies r selling tons to Arabs congrats

 

[Fonck83]

India wants Indian missiles because we can’t afford Europe prices, even if Mica newer gen is some what better than Astra but comes up with double the price India will prefer cheaper, we are not arab sheiks heard u frenchies r selling tons to Arabs congrats

During a war the problem is not price not even for India. Problem is how long it is to make one piece. If astra can be made in a faster manner than mica, yes it's a good amunition.
But the main point is not even this one. If ASTRA can be integrated, that's mean that MICA + ASTRA available stock is twice than MICA stock only.

 

[daya]

During a war the problem is not price not even for India. Problem is how long it is to make one piece. If astra can be made in a faster manner than mica, yes it's a good amunition.
But the main point is not even this one. If ASTRA can be integrated, that's mean that MICA + ASTRA available stock is twice than MICA stock only.

My dear Sir, In my opinion, quantity is a great quality in itself. We should produce and introduce indigenous weapon in large number within any objection, hesitation and whatsoever ..

 

[vin bharat mahan]

My dear Sir, In my opinion, quantity is a great quality in itself. We should produce and introduce indigenous weapon in large number within any objection, hesitation and whatsoever ..

i dont think france will ready to replace MICA IR nd meteor from rafale....that is their jam nd butter for every 10 years. we can replace MICA RF seeker bvr though. which hv 80 km range. so astra1, astra 2 can be integrated by replacing MICA RF bvr missile. beside this we can add those type of missile, which alternative not present in france. like anti radiation missiles (rudram series) or anti ship missiles (like brahmos ng nd KH 35).

 

[daya]

i dont think france will ready to replace MICA IR nd meteor from rafale....that is their jam nd butter for every 10 years. we can replace MICA RF seeker bvr though. which hv 80 km range. so astra1, astra 2 can be integrated by replacing MICA RF bvr missile. beside this we can add those type of missile, which alternative not present in france. like anti radiation missiles (rudram series) or anti ship missiles (like brahmos nd ir KH 35).

The case of rafale is definitely in other class, but the progress is so slow in introduction of indigenous weaponry. Be it IAF or IA or IN, their crush is foreign maal...

 

[BON PLAN]

i dont think france will agree to replace MICA IR nd meteor from indian rafale. for obvious reason.

I don't think so. It was easy to obtain during the Rafale first deal bargaining.
DA already integrate a towing decoy system, and an israeli bomb.

 

[BON PLAN]

India wants Indian missiles because we can’t afford Europe prices, even if Mica newer gen is some what better than Astra but comes up with double the price India will prefer cheaper, we are not arab sheiks heard u frenchies r selling tons to Arabs congrats

You are right for the price, but how many AtoA missiles did India used these last 20 years ?
It 's more a question of quality than quantity.