Know Your 'Rafale'

[fire starter]

The first 5 batches of J10C are AL31, and the latter is WS10B

Ws 10B is even worst than AL 31.

 

[lixun]

Ws 10B is even worst than AL 31.

There is no evidence to prove this

 

[fire starter]

There is no evidence to prove this

Well Chinese are behind Russians in engine technology so it's safe to assume that. The lack of data regarding ws10 further proves this.

 

[lixun]

Well Chinese are behind Russians in engine technology so it's safe to assume that. The lack of data regarding ws10 further proves this.

`I don’t think we are too far behind Russia, and AL31 is a product from the 1980s. The maximum thrust of WS10 has reached 13.7t, which has reached the level of F110-GE-129.

 

[fire starter]

`I don’t think we are too far behind Russia, and AL31 is a product from the 1980s. The maximum thrust of WS10 has reached 13.7t, which has reached the level of F110-GE-129.

The problem is the Chinese put out laughable advertisement campaigns much of which are not even official numbers but the usual ‘insiders’ aka Chinese basement trolls. None of the claims floating around are anywhere near reality even ‘official’ claims is idiotic propaganda.

 

[Kalkioftoday]

`I don’t think we are too far behind Russia, and AL31 is a product from the 1980s. The maximum thrust of WS10 has reached 13.7t, which has reached the level of F110-GE-129.

Hey man, if you have any pictures of the AESA radar of J10C, can you post it here?

 

[BON PLAN]

Hey man, if you have any pictures of the AESA radar of J10C, can you post it here?

here it is

 

[BON PLAN]

MIG 21 in the hands of Egypt failed miserably, the same MIG 21 in the hands of IAF became known for slaying Sabre F-86 and F 104. Man behind it makes the difference.

Against Egyptian Mig21 there was... israelis pilots.
Probably the best of the world, with the bigger war fighting experience.

 

[lixun]

Hey man, if you have any pictures of the AESA radar of J10C, can you post it here?

Sorry, there is no picture, but I can roughly infer the performance of China's AESA through the KLJ7A radar. This radar is sold externally and has a lot of data.

 

[JBH22]

Against Egyptian Mig21 there was... israelis pilots.
Probably the best of the world, with the bigger war fighting experience.

True, but seldom we get to choose the dynamics of any war. US bulldozed other states such Iraq,Libya having similar odds stacked in their favour.
My point was we did manage a good fight using same Russian weapons.

 

[Picard]

Did anyone see this video? Good explanation of the fight, as well as comments on Rafale's HUD and other stuff:

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Comrades from France, this may make you feel good

a new series bomb , developed in india.

jaguar on a bomb run.

 

[itsAurea]

Interesting story. But what is far more interesting to note is its transition from one scene to another is like playing highly volatile slots. If you get what I mean ha ha ha.

 

[Fonck83]

36th Rafale to have all India specific enhancements, arrives Jan 2022
Such is the fighting capability of French Rafale that its one squadron of 18 aircraft is equivalent to 2.5 squadrons (45 fighters) of Su-30 MKI in terms of turn-around and maintenance.
By Shishir Gupta, New Delhi
PUBLISHED ON SEP 10, 2021 11:51 AM IST

36th Rafale to have all India specific enhancements, arrives Jan 2022

Such is the fighting capability of French Rafale that its one squadron of 18 aircraft is equivalent to 2.5 squadrons (45 fighters) of Su-30 MKI in terms of turn-around and maintenance.

www.hindustantimes.com

France will deliver three Rafale fighters per month for the next three months with the last of the 36 contracted omni-role fighters carrying all 13 India specific enhancements to be delivered in January 2022. While 26 4.5 generation Rafale fighters are already operational from Ambala in the western sector and Hashimara in the eastern sector, three more Dassault manufactured fighters will be landing at Jamnagar base with the help of close ally UAE mid-air refueller on October 13. Three more are expected to be delivered in November and another three joining the Indian Air Force (IAF) in December.

However, it is the 36th Rafale fighter that will be equipped with all India specific enhancements to make the platform more lethal. Already India specific enhancements have been included in Hammer air to ground, SCALP land attack and Meteor air to air missiles used by Rafale with more range, more height and more accuracy. It is only after the 36th fighter has landed after testing all India specific enhancements with some technologies having Israeli origins that the previous 35 fighters will be fitted with all the enhancements.
While the India specific enhancements remain classified, they are understood to be pertaining to more powerful radio altimeter, radar warning receiver, low band jammer, flight data recorder, high-altitude engine start-up, synthetic aperture radar, ground moving target indicator and tracking, infra-red search and track, helmet-mounted display, missile approach warning systems and very high-frequency range decoys.


France, one of India’s closest strategic allies, has already sent the enhanced missiles and ammunition for Rafale to IAF. While the Meteor missile is best in its category in the Indian subcontinent, the Hammer and SCALP have pinpointed accuracy with last-minute target adjustment capability and radar avoidance. These weapon systems have multiple guidance facilities so that the enemy has no chance of jamming the missile either in the air to air or land-attack mode and can be used in stand-off mode for land targets over 70 kilometres away.
While the Indian Navy is also examining the option of Rafale-Maritime fighter for its indigenous aircraft carrier INS Vikrant, to be launched next August, the IAF has been asked to rationalize its fighter squadron strength due to the enhanced capability of Rafale. It is understood that one squadron of Rafale is equivalent to 2.5 squadrons of Russian Su-30 MKI in terms of turnaround and maintenance. The IAF’s capability will further be multiplied with the addition of the S-400 air defence system to the Indian fighting capability.

 

[WolfPack86]

36th Rafale to have all India specific enhancements, arrives Jan 2022
France will deliver three Rafale fighters per month for the next three months with the last of the 36 contracted omni-role fighters carrying all 13 India specific enhancements to be delivered in January 2022. While 26 4.5 generation Rafale fighters are already operational from Ambala in the western sector and Hashimara in the eastern sector, three more Dassault manufactured fighters will be landing at Jamnagar base with the help of close ally UAE mid-air refueller on October 13. Three more are expected to be delivered in November and another three joining the Indian Air Force (IAF) in December.

However, it is the 36th Rafale fighter that will be equipped with all India specific enhancements to make the platform more lethal. Already India specific enhancements have been included in Hammer air to ground, SCALP land attack and Meteor air to air missiles used by Rafale with more range, more height and more accuracy. It is only after the 36th fighter has landed after testing all India specific enhancements with some technologies having Israeli origins that the previous 35 fighters will be fitted with all the enhancements.

While the India specific enhancements remain classified, they are understood to be pertaining to more powerful radio altimeter, radar warning receiver, low band jammer, flight data recorder, high-altitude engine start-up, synthetic aperture radar, ground moving target indicator and tracking, infra-red search and track, helmet-mounted display, missile approach warning systems and very high-frequency range decoys.

France, one of India’s closest strategic allies, has already sent the enhanced missiles and ammunition for Rafale to IAF. While the Meteor missile is best in its category in the Indian subcontinent, the Hammer and SCALP have pinpointed accuracy with last-minute target adjustment capability and radar avoidance. These weapon systems have multiple guidance facilities so that the enemy has no chance of jamming the missile either in the air to air or land-attack mode and can be used in stand-off mode for land targets over 70 kilometres away.

While the Indian Navy is also examining the option of Rafale-Maritime fighter for its indigenous aircraft carrier INS Vikrant, to be launched next August, the IAF has been asked to rationalize its fighter squadron strength due to the enhanced capability of Rafale. It is understood that one squadron of Rafale is equivalent to 2.5 squadrons of Russian Su-30 MKI in terms of turnaround and maintenance. The IAF’s capability will further be multiplied with the addition of the S-400 air defence system to the Indian fighting capability.

36th Rafale to have all India specific enhancements, arrives Jan 2022

Such is the fighting capability of French Rafale that its one squadron of 18 aircraft is equivalent to 2.5 squadrons (45 fighters) of Su-30 MKI in terms of turn-around and maintenance.

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian navy to lease Rafale fighter

 

[LakshmanPST7]

Indian navy to lease Rafale fighter

That was 4 month old speculative news from IDU... Navy won't be buying or leasing F18 or Rafale...
Few MIG29Ks may be ordered for now and TEDBF will be the future...

 

[Picard]

Did anyone see this video? Good explanation of the fight, as well as comments on Rafale's HUD and other stuff:

And here is commentary on the video:
Commentary on the Rafale vs F-22 dogfight analysis – Exercitus Imperii (wordpress.com)

EDIT:

That was 4 month old speculative news from IDU... Navy won't be buying or leasing F18 or Rafale...
Few MIG29Ks may be ordered for now and TEDBF will be the future...

"May" be? Is there anything solid there, or it is just standard confusion?

 

[LakshmanPST7]

"May" be? Is there anything solid there, or it is just standard confusion?

Rafales and SHornets won't fit in the lifts... That is quite evident from recent satellite image analysis done by OSINT handles...
What will Navy do with the Rafale-Ms even if they lease them...?
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MIG29K is the only realistic option that the Navy has... Naval LCA is also an option... But doubt Navy would want it in large nos....

As of now, nothing is solid there...

 

[Picard]

Rafales and SHornets won't fit in the lifts... That is quite evident from recent satellite image analysis done by OSINT handles...
What will Navy do with the Rafale-Ms even if they lease them...?
-
MIG29K is the only realistic option that the Navy has... Naval LCA is also an option... But doubt Navy would want it in large nos....

As of now, nothing is solid there...

OK, thanks.