Know Your 'Rafale'

[BON PLAN]

pure propaganda

At the same time, there was no official confirmation of this information from the Egyptian Air Force.

At the same time there was no Egyptian official information that this was not true.
And at the same time Egypt ordered another 30 Rafale.

 

[BON PLAN]

pure propaganda
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to jam a electromagnetic wave you need another wave as strong as the one intended to jam and the same power density to eleminate the whole wave into white noise.

It seems Dassault wants to sell more rafales only

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"The Rafale pilot drowned out the Su-35 radar without problems": the Polish press broadcasts conjectures about the training battle of the Egyptian Air Force
July 29, 2021
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Publications that exercises were held in Egypt, in which French and Russian-made Rafale and Su-35SE fighters, respectively, converged in a simulated air battle, are actively discussed in foreign media.


It all started with a blog post claiming that the Su-35SE "was defeated in a training air battle against the French Rafale." At the same time, there was no official confirmation of this information from the Egyptian Air Force. However, this did not become a hindrance for a number of European specialized media, which began to talk about the "superiority of Western aircraft over Russian".

In particular, the material in which the author tries to analyze the "lost Su-35" during the exercises in Egypt, the battle was published in the Polish military-themed publication Defense24. The Polish author, without going into details of what the real purpose of the teachings was, writes:

During the training battle, the Russian Su-35 played the role of "aggressor" and was supposed to attack the Rafale. However, the pilot of the French fighter quickly realized that he was being irradiated by the radar, and with the help of the onboard electronic warfare system - Thales SPECTRA (Self-Protection Equipment to Counter Threats for Rafale Aircraft), he jammed the Su-35 radar without any problems. The pilot of the Russian-made aircraft could not control his weapons, and the Rafale pilot easily tracked the enemy with his radar, counterattacked, and in the end, conditionally shot him down.
The Polish author writes that in this way "it was clearly proved that in a one-on-one confrontation, the French fighter clearly outperforms a Russian-made enemy, moreover, straight from a Russian aircraft plant - after training a pilot by Russian instructors."

These conclusions sound, to put it mildly, strange. Even if this kind of exercise was carried out in the Egyptian Air Force, then it is certainly impossible to draw a conclusion from one conditional air battle about the advantage of one 4th generation aircraft over another. Indeed, in the variant of a single imitation battle, any of the aircraft would have gained the upper hand anyway. And if it turned out to be a Su-35, then would they write in the same Poland that the Russian fighter "is definitely superior to the French Rafale"? There is an opinion that it is unlikely. Moreover, neither the training nor the experience of the pilots was taken into account. In addition, there is no information about the main thing - whether the Egyptian pilot of the Su-35 was tasked with conditionally destroying the discovered Rafal, or the task was to work out exactly the departure of Rafal from a possible attack using the available onboard means.

Without these data, the publication in the Polish press looks like a broadcast of speculation, nothing more. Moreover, these speculations are clearly aimed at contributing to the competition in the world fighter market and organizing anti-PR for Russian fighters, which (whether it would be desirable in Poland or not) managed to prove themselves excellently all over the world.

«Пилот Rafale заглушил радар Су-35 без проблем»: польская пресса транслирует домыслы об учебном бое самолётов ВВС Египта

Публикации о том, что в Египте были проведены учения, в которых в имитированном воздушном бою сошлись истребители Rafale и Су-35СЭ французского и российского производства соответственно, активно обсуждается в зарубежных СМИ. Началось всё с публикации в блогах, где утверждалось, будто бы Су-35СЭ

topwar.ru

Spectra operating mode is not specially to fully jam the opponent radar, but to avoid it to elaborate a fire solution. It is what means Spectra in french : "System de Protection et d'Evitement des Conduites de Tir du RAfale".
It was used in 2007 against EF2000 during a common training : the EF pilots can see the Rafale but their weapon system were unable to elaborate a fire solution....

 

[MiG-29SMT]

At the same time there was no Egyptian official information that this was not true.
And at the same time Egypt ordered another 30 Rafale.

If you are going to do politics based upon a website not official sources is pure propaganda since the Su-35s aree to be delivered by 2023

 

[BON PLAN]

If you are going to do politics based upon a website not official sources is pure propaganda since the Su-35s aree to be delivered by 2023

LOL

Egyptian Air Force will receive Su-35 fighter jets

According to a tweet from Mahmoud Gamal, Egypt has now 17 confirmed Su-35 fighter jets. 12 Su-35s are currently in Russia, being prepared for delivery to Egypt soon, while five Su-35s were already delivered last year to the Egyptian Air Force. Russia is also expected to manufacture up to 10...

www.airrecognition.com

 

[MiG-29SMT]

Spectra operating mode is not specially to fully jam the opponent radar, but to avoid it to elaborate a fire solution. It is what means Spectra in french : "System de Protection et d'Evitement des Conduites de Tir du RAfale".
It was used in 2007 against EF2000 during a common training : the EF pilots can see the Rafale but their weapon system were unable to elaborate a fire solution....

you need to jam it any way, waves are waves, the only wave to jam is to destroy the wave, but power density as Photon means as long as there are wave/particle principles you need the same power density to eliminate the ability of the opponents radar, you can only reduce the range and be at the same distace in a mirrow image

 

[MiG-29SMT]

LOL

Egyptian Air Force will receive Su-35 fighter jets

According to a tweet from Mahmoud Gamal, Egypt has now 17 confirmed Su-35 fighter jets. 12 Su-35s are currently in Russia, being prepared for delivery to Egypt soon, while five Su-35s were already delivered last year to the Egyptian Air Force. Russia is also expected to manufacture up to 10...

www.airrecognition.com

do you see 24? do you think the Russians do not have a delivery schedule?

 

[BON PLAN]

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do you see 24? do you think the Russians do not have a delivery schedule?

"five Su-35s were already delivered last year to the Egyptian Air Force"
That means some more since...

 

[BON PLAN]

[Actu] Premières images des Su-35 égyptiens

Premières images des Su-35 égyptiens

redsamovar.com

July 2020 : first plane in the egyptian sheme... 5 delivered at the end of 2020 is credible.

 

[BON PLAN]

Egypt flouts sanctions as Russian Su-35 fighters arrive - Asia Times

Buzz off. Take a hike. Get lost. Get stuffed. Beat it. Go to hell. All well-known expressions, and they roll off the tongue so well. But they all have

asiatimes.com

Here Are The First Photos Of Egypt’s New Su-35 “Super Flankers”

Sukhoi Su-35s will join Egypt’s impressive fleet of modern warplanes that includes new MiG-29s and Rafales, and it could soon add Eurofighters too.

www.thedrive.com

 

[lixun]

The fixed costs were so high to adapt 2 air bases just for 2 squad, and to developp some indian spec that a halt to just 36 birds would be a suicide.
72 is a minimum, and 108 a maximum from my own point of view.

Rafale are not cheap

 

[lixun]

Saab Gripen ‘Rips Apart’ Chinese J-11 Fighters In War Games; Experts Call Them ‘Sitting Ducks’ For Rafales

A “dogfight” between Saab Gripen and the Chinese J-11 fighter jets game provides lessons to militaries around the world on how to get the better of Chinese warplanes. Message To The US? China’s J-20 Stealth Fighter Jet Makes Debut In Joint Military Drills With Russia Details of the Exercise...

eurasiantimes.com

This is a very interessant data : "Interestingly, military analysts observed that Gripens outperformed the J-11s in terms of the range given how 88% of the Thai kills occurred at a range of at least 19 miles, while the Chinese scored just 14% of their kills at the same range. "
"The Gripens also scored 10 kills at a distance of more than 31 miles where the J-11s scored no kills. "

It's not a small range, but we are far from the nearly 100km AMRAAM range promoted by some.

To be honest, this result is not surprising,
R73+Su 27 fighting ability is better than I expected

 

[lixun]

pure propaganda
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to jam a electromagnetic wave you need another wave as strong as the one intended to jam and the same power density to eleminate the whole wave into white noise.

It seems Dassault wants to sell more rafales only

View attachment 104141

"The Rafale pilot drowned out the Su-35 radar without problems": the Polish press broadcasts conjectures about the training battle of the Egyptian Air Force
July 29, 2021
164


Publications that exercises were held in Egypt, in which French and Russian-made Rafale and Su-35SE fighters, respectively, converged in a simulated air battle, are actively discussed in foreign media.


It all started with a blog post claiming that the Su-35SE "was defeated in a training air battle against the French Rafale." At the same time, there was no official confirmation of this information from the Egyptian Air Force. However, this did not become a hindrance for a number of European specialized media, which began to talk about the "superiority of Western aircraft over Russian".

In particular, the material in which the author tries to analyze the "lost Su-35" during the exercises in Egypt, the battle was published in the Polish military-themed publication Defense24. The Polish author, without going into details of what the real purpose of the teachings was, writes:

During the training battle, the Russian Su-35 played the role of "aggressor" and was supposed to attack the Rafale. However, the pilot of the French fighter quickly realized that he was being irradiated by the radar, and with the help of the onboard electronic warfare system - Thales SPECTRA (Self-Protection Equipment to Counter Threats for Rafale Aircraft), he jammed the Su-35 radar without any problems. The pilot of the Russian-made aircraft could not control his weapons, and the Rafale pilot easily tracked the enemy with his radar, counterattacked, and in the end, conditionally shot him down.
The Polish author writes that in this way "it was clearly proved that in a one-on-one confrontation, the French fighter clearly outperforms a Russian-made enemy, moreover, straight from a Russian aircraft plant - after training a pilot by Russian instructors."

These conclusions sound, to put it mildly, strange. Even if this kind of exercise was carried out in the Egyptian Air Force, then it is certainly impossible to draw a conclusion from one conditional air battle about the advantage of one 4th generation aircraft over another. Indeed, in the variant of a single imitation battle, any of the aircraft would have gained the upper hand anyway. And if it turned out to be a Su-35, then would they write in the same Poland that the Russian fighter "is definitely superior to the French Rafale"? There is an opinion that it is unlikely. Moreover, neither the training nor the experience of the pilots was taken into account. In addition, there is no information about the main thing - whether the Egyptian pilot of the Su-35 was tasked with conditionally destroying the discovered Rafal, or the task was to work out exactly the departure of Rafal from a possible attack using the available onboard means.

Without these data, the publication in the Polish press looks like a broadcast of speculation, nothing more. Moreover, these speculations are clearly aimed at contributing to the competition in the world fighter market and organizing anti-PR for Russian fighters, which (whether it would be desirable in Poland or not) managed to prove themselves excellently all over the world.

«Пилот Rafale заглушил радар Су-35 без проблем»: польская пресса транслирует домыслы об учебном бое самолётов ВВС Египта

Публикации о том, что в Египте были проведены учения, в которых в имитированном воздушном бою сошлись истребители Rafale и Су-35СЭ французского и российского производства соответственно, активно обсуждается в зарубежных СМИ. Началось всё с публикации в блогах, где утверждалось, будто бы Су-35СЭ

topwar.ru

No, it’s the receiver, not the transmitter, that is interfering electronically
There are ten interference principles for electronic interference

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

No, it’s the receiver, not the transmitter, that is interfering electronically
There are ten interference principles for electronic interference

Welcome back

 

[lixun]

you need to jam it any way, waves are waves, the only wave to jam is to destroy the wave, but power density as Photon means as long as there are wave/particle principles you need the same power density to eliminate the ability of the opponents radar, you can only reduce the range and be at the same distace in a mirrow image

You are talking about the simplest blocking interference
Receivers usually work in linear areas. When a strong interference enters a receiver, it may also overdrive the receiver to work in non-linear state or even worse, in saturation mode as the out of band suppression ratio of the receiver may be limited.

Generally, blocking interference is generated by a strong interference signal out of the receive band that makes the receiver work in saturation state and then reduces the gains. In addition, the interference signal may mix with the local oscillator signal and then generate the interference in the intermediate frequency (IF). Blocking interference can reduce the receiver gains and increase the noise.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

No, it’s the receiver, not the transmitter, that is interfering electronically
There are ten interference principles for electronic interference

out of phase is the basic concept, the wave uses the quantum principle thus power density and distance will play the range the radar will reduce the range

The paper presents the method for calculating radar jamming efficiency and results. It contains a brief description of the main method for jamming the land-based radars by jammers installed on the airborne platforms. The basic mathematical formulas for calculating the efficiency of active radar jamming are presented. The results of calculations have been illustrated on the respective diagrams. The realization of effective radar jamming in electronic countermeasures (ECM) systems depends mainly on the precise knowledge of radar and the jammer's technical parameters, the distance between them, the assumed value of the suppression coefficient, the conditions of electromagnetic wave propagation and the applied jamming method. The conclusions from the calculations facilitate making a decision regarding how jamming should be conducted to achieve high efficiency.

Jamming efficiency of land-based radars by the airborne jammers | Semantic Scholar

The paper contains a brief description of the main method for jamming the land-based radars by jammers installed on the airborne platforms and the basic mathematical formulas for calculating the efficiency of active radar jamming. The paper presents the method for calculating radar jamming...

www.semanticscholar.org

 

[lixun]

out of phase is the basic concept, the wave uses the quantum principle thus power density and distance will play the range the radar will reduce the range

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The paper presents the method for calculating radar jamming efficiency and results. It contains a brief description of the main method for jamming the land-based radars by jammers installed on the airborne platforms. The basic mathematical formulas for calculating the efficiency of active radar jamming are presented. The results of calculations have been illustrated on the respective diagrams. The realization of effective radar jamming in electronic countermeasures (ECM) systems depends mainly on the precise knowledge of radar and the jammer's technical parameters, the distance between them, the assumed value of the suppression coefficient, the conditions of electromagnetic wave propagation and the applied jamming method. The conclusions from the calculations facilitate making a decision regarding how jamming should be conducted to achieve high efficiency.

Jamming efficiency of land-based radars by the airborne jammers | Semantic Scholar

The paper contains a brief description of the main method for jamming the land-based radars by jammers installed on the airborne platforms and the basic mathematical formulas for calculating the efficiency of active radar jamming. The paper presents the method for calculating radar jamming...

www.semanticscholar.org

Spurious Interference and Blocking Interference for LTE | TELETOPIX.ORG

Spurious Interference and Blocking Interference for LTE, interference is generated by, interference can reduce, a strong interference, spurious, receiver.

teletopix.org

 

[lixun]

out of phase is the basic concept, the wave uses the quantum principle thus power density and distance will play the range the radar will reduce the range

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The paper presents the method for calculating radar jamming efficiency and results. It contains a brief description of the main method for jamming the land-based radars by jammers installed on the airborne platforms. The basic mathematical formulas for calculating the efficiency of active radar jamming are presented. The results of calculations have been illustrated on the respective diagrams. The realization of effective radar jamming in electronic countermeasures (ECM) systems depends mainly on the precise knowledge of radar and the jammer's technical parameters, the distance between them, the assumed value of the suppression coefficient, the conditions of electromagnetic wave propagation and the applied jamming method. The conclusions from the calculations facilitate making a decision regarding how jamming should be conducted to achieve high efficiency.

Jamming efficiency of land-based radars by the airborne jammers | Semantic Scholar

The paper contains a brief description of the main method for jamming the land-based radars by jammers installed on the airborne platforms and the basic mathematical formulas for calculating the efficiency of active radar jamming. The paper presents the method for calculating radar jamming...

www.semanticscholar.org

9 Technology and the Opportunities for Interference Mitigation | A Strategy for Active Remote Sensing Amid Increased Demand for Radio Spectrum |The National Academies Press

Read chapter 9 Technology and the Opportunities for Interference Mitigation: Active remote sensing is the principal tool used to study and to predict shor...

www.nap.edu

 

[MiG-29SMT]

9 Technology and the Opportunities for Interference Mitigation | A Strategy for Active Remote Sensing Amid Increased Demand for Radio Spectrum |The National Academies Press

Read chapter 9 Technology and the Opportunities for Interference Mitigation: Active remote sensing is the principal tool used to study and to predict shor...

www.nap.edu

too much blah blah it is as basic as this formula or in few words destructive interference, you try to boast but you forget the essentials trying to boast

FUNDAMENTALS OF RADAR JAMMING

There are some fundamental principles that apply to all types of jamming and to all jamming employment options. These principles are based on the characteristics of the jamming system and the...

fullafterburner.weebly.com

 

[lixun]

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too much blah blah it is as basic as this formula or in few words destructive interference, you try to boast but you forget the essentials trying to boast

FUNDAMENTALS OF RADAR JAMMING

There are some fundamental principles that apply to all types of jamming and to all jamming employment options. These principles are based on the characteristics of the jamming system and the...

fullafterburner.weebly.com

Your understanding of radar is as simple as your understanding of stealth,
Can you take a look at a book "Principles of Radar Technology",

 

[MiG-29SMT]

Your understanding of radar is as simple as your understanding of stealth,
Can you take a look at a book "Principles of Radar Technology",

arrogants make a simple concept difficult to understand so they look smart, but smart people use simple solutions because stupidity is make something complex of something that is easy