Know Your 'Rafale'

[WolfPack86]

Indian air force rafale fighter

 

[Trololo]

Egypt is procuring more than 54 Rafales IIRC. Su-35 and Su-57 are out of scope for IAF. F-22 is not for sale. AMCA is a decade away. Only Tejas variant which will be comparable to Rafale is Mk2 and that will go for serial production in 2028. What weed is this guy smoking?

 

[Fonck83]

More than 630 hours (240 heifara +90 wakea +280 ferry) flight hours in two weeks for 3 rafales, 2 mrtt and 2 A-400M.

HEIFARA WAKEA exercise

HEIFARA WAKEA exercise The Armée de l'Air et de l'Espace (AAE, French Air and Space Force) Rafale fighters and support aircraft reached the United States after a long transit phase...

www.scramble.nl

https://www.defense.gouv.fr/operations/actualites2/heifara-wakea-fin-de-la-mission-heifara-et-debut-de-l-operation-wakea-pour-les-aviateurs-de-l-armee-de-l-air-et-de-l-espace

 

[MiG-29SMT]

Whatever you want, anyway, SU35 is a substitute in the Chinese Air Force.
So far, only two earthen-made dams have failed.

you have 24 Su-35 in China so you have 24 stupid pilots in China and more stupid for paying 2 billion dollars for 24 stupid aircraft, who is stupid? the one who bought 24 Su-35s or the one who sold them?

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian air force order additional 36 rafale fighters

 

[Starlight]

 

[BON PLAN]

> 3 more Rafales land in India
> It is expected that delivery of 36 rafales will be completed by april next year

We should just go for follow on and order 36 more of these machines and end this MMRCA 2.0 bs and focus on MWF, AMCA...

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Spoiler: tweet

Dassault : always on time, on budget, on specifications. Another proof.

 

[BON PLAN]

The "journalist" just forget that Egypt ordered another batch of 30 Rafale..... and may reach 100 units at the end.

 

[Marliii]

The "journalist" just forget that Egypt ordered another batch of 30 Rafale..... and may reach 100 units at the end.

2nd batch is almost confirmed.those are pro rusky journos trying to lick up to mother russia

 

[BON PLAN]

Walka Su-35 z Rafale. Wygrywa Rafale [KOMENTARZ]

Egipt potwierdził opinię indyjskich pilotów co do wartości rosyjskich samolotów w starciu z zachodnimi. Okazało się bowiem, że w czasie ćwiczebnych walk powietrznych, myśliwiec Su-35 przegrał z francuskim Rafale. Co ciekawe, informację o tej konfrontacji powietrznej nagłośniły rosyjskie media...

www.defence24.pl

Fighting Su-35 with Rafale. Rafale wins [COMMENT]

The Egyptians conducted an exercise in which the French Rafale fighter faced the Russian Su-35 fighter and "won" the air battles with it. The confrontation was equal to the fact that two planes belonging to the same generation were contrasted, which were additionally completely new - so at least theoretically they should have the latest version of onboard equipment and updated software.

Twenty-four Su-35 planes were purchased by Egypt under the contract signed on March 19, 2018. The first five fighters in the "upgraded" version of the Su-35SE were handed over to the Egyptian Air Force on February 25, 2021, but photos of these aircraft were already published in July 2020. So Egypt had time to get to know and train Russian pilots according to the instructions of Russian instructors who were supposed to use the combat experience gained over Syria.

In front of the Su-35SE there was a Rafale - a multi-purpose plane manufactured by the French company Dassault Aviation . So far, it is not known what version of this fighter fought against the Russian Su-35SE. As part of the contract signed with Egypt on February 12, 2015 for the supply of twenty-four Rafale F3 series aircraft (equipped with, among others, radar with an active AESA class antenna), from 2015 to 2020, sixteen two-seater Rafale DM and eight single-seat Rafale EM were delivered from 2015 to 2020. What's more, a fighter built for the French Air Force could stand in front of the Russian fighter, because that's what the Egyptians received in 2015 in the first batch to speed up deliveries.

The "electronics" decided about the result of the clash of both planes. During the exercise, the Russian Su-35 played the role of the "aggressor" and he was to attack Rafale. However, the pilot of the French fighter quickly realized that he was irradiated with radar and, using the on-board electronic warfare system - Thales SPECTRA (Self-Protection Equipment to Counter Threats for Rafale Aircraft), drowned out the Su-35 radar without any problems. The Russian plane was not able to guide its weapons, while Rafale easily tracked the enemy with his radar and finally "shot him down".

The exercises in Egypt were important because earlier the superiority of Western planes over the Russian ones was explained only by the fact that Western pilots are guided by AWACS class early warning planes. Egypt also has such planes (E-2 Hawkeye), but they were not used in this exercise to the benefit of either side. In this way, it was clearly shown that even in a one-on-one match, the French fighter easily outpaces the opponent, who additionally was "straight from the factory", and the pilot immediately after training conducted by Russian instructors (and not Egyptian instructors previously trained in Russia).

In addition, the Russians are constantly boasting that the Su-35 is their most modern fighter (after the Su-57), which, like Rafale, is equipped with a radar with a longwall antenna (N035 "Irbis"), capable of detecting air objects with an effective reflection surface of 0, 01 m 2 (and therefore stealth aircraft) from a distance of up to 100 km. Additionally, at shorter distances, pilots have an optoelectronic observation and control system at their disposal

However, as it turns out, radar is not equal to radar. The Russians used the old technology and their longwall antenna is passive, and the electronically controlled radiating elements are powered from a single radar transmitter. The French RBE2-AA radar belongs to the AESA class, which means that its antenna consists of many of the same transmitting and receiving modules, which improves reliability (failure of one "transmitter" does not turn off the entire device), but most importantly: it allows " intelligent ”space scanning - with priority detection directions and tracking of a larger number of targets at the same time.

Now the Russians themselves admit that the result of this training air combat may affect the export potential of the Su-35. Egypt is the second foreign user of these aircraft. In 2015, Russia signed a contract for the delivery of 24 Su-35 fighters to China. But many more countries were interested in this fighter as well, and this situation may change now.

Of course, there is always a price argument. The Egyptians paid about $ 2 billion for 24 Su-35 aircraft (most likely without weapons), and for the same number of Rafale planes about EUR 3.5 billion plus another EUR 700 million for weapons (including MICA air-to-air missiles ( EM) RF and MICAIR, AASM / Hammer guided bombs, Exocet AM39 anti-ship missiles and SCALP cruise missiles). So the Rafals cost more, but they turned out to be simply better.

And this is probably also why Egypt ordered another 30 such fighters, recognizing (and this assessment was also made in the Russian media) that it is the most "advanced" combat aircraft in the arsenal of an Arab country (and not the newer Su-35). Rafale was also bought by the Indian Air Force, and there, the possibilities of this design were also compared with Russian planes - but the Su-30MKI type, used in India since 2002. The winners of these duels were most often Raphael - the more that they encountered an older version of Sukhoi fighters. However, this does not change the fact that it is them (and even older Su-27s) that are currently massively used by the Russian air and space forces.

As it turns out, the Russian media quickly found a way out of this difficult image-related situation. They recall that on July 20, 2021, during the MAKS-2021 international aero-space exhibition, “Russia showed the whole world a new Checkmate fighter. This plane should make its first flight in 2023. Mass production is planned to start between 2026 and 2027. "

The Russians are now advertising that it is to be a fifth generation fighter, lighter than the American F-35 (up to 20 tons compared to 30 tons), with a shorter take-off and landing, high maneuverability and speed greater than Mach 2. And it is this plane that is to be offered to countries such as the United Arab Emirates, India, Vietnam and Argentina. This does not change the fact that until the production of Checkmate, even if the deadlines are met, it will be difficult to find buyers for Su-35 fighters - apart from, of course, the Russian armed forces.

And all because the Egyptians did not believe in "there are no analogues in the world" and said "I'm checking".

 

[BON PLAN]

Российский Су-35 впервые проиграл в учебном бою французскому истребителю Rafale

Истребитель Су-35 не смог победить в учебном бою против истребителя Rafale

avia.pro

Fighter Rafale disabled the radar of the Russian Su-35
The radar of the Russian Su-35 was disabled by a powerful electronic warfare system.

The invulnerability of the Russian Su-35 fighter was called into question after it became known that in a training battle, the Egyptian Air Force Rafale fighter, as a result of the use of an electronic suppression complex, was able to disable the radar station of the Russian combat aircraft, in fact, blinding it. As a result, the training battle was lost by the Su-35 fighter.

“During the training battles, the Su-35 tried to attack the Rafale, playing the role of the“ aggressor ”. With the help of the Thales Spectra system of protection and prevention of enemy fire control (electronic warfare equipment - electronic warfare), the French fighter still managed to drown out the phased antenna array (PAR) of the Su-35 radar. After disabling it, the Russian fighter was unable to aim the weapon at the enemy and was easily knocked out by Rafale , ”the Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper reports.

A little earlier, the news agency Avia.pro reported that, as part of a training battle, the Russian Su-35 fighter lost to the French Rafale fighter, although it was in the attack, which caused a number of doubts about the effectiveness of this combat aircraft.
Exactly how many series of training battles were fought between the Su-35 and Rafale fighters is still unknown.

 

[BON PLAN]

The assembly of the 100th Rafale !

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

We need more rafales , we need to win the war in the end.
54 rafales more.

 

[lcafanboy]

Saab Gripen ‘Rips Apart’ Chinese J-11 Fighters In War Games; Experts Call Them ‘Sitting Ducks’ For Rafales

A “dogfight” between Saab Gripen and the Chinese J-11 fighter jets game provides lessons to militaries around the world on how to get the better of Chinese warplanes. Message To The US? China’s J-20 Stealth Fighter Jet Makes Debut In Joint Military Drills With Russia Details of the Exercise...

eurasiantimes.com

Saab Gripen ‘Rips Apart’ Chinese J-11 Fighters In War Games; Experts Call Them ‘Sitting Ducks’ For Rafales

 

[BON PLAN]

2nd batch is almost confirmed.those are pro rusky journos trying to lick up to mother russia

The fixed costs were so high to adapt 2 air bases just for 2 squad, and to developp some indian spec that a halt to just 36 birds would be a suicide.
72 is a minimum, and 108 a maximum from my own point of view.

 

[BON PLAN]

Saab Gripen ‘Rips Apart’ Chinese J-11 Fighters In War Games; Experts Call Them ‘Sitting Ducks’ For Rafales

A “dogfight” between Saab Gripen and the Chinese J-11 fighter jets game provides lessons to militaries around the world on how to get the better of Chinese warplanes. Message To The US? China’s J-20 Stealth Fighter Jet Makes Debut In Joint Military Drills With Russia Details of the Exercise...

eurasiantimes.com

This is a very interessant data : "Interestingly, military analysts observed that Gripens outperformed the J-11s in terms of the range given how 88% of the Thai kills occurred at a range of at least 19 miles, while the Chinese scored just 14% of their kills at the same range. "
"The Gripens also scored 10 kills at a distance of more than 31 miles where the J-11s scored no kills. "

It's not a small range, but we are far from the nearly 100km AMRAAM range promoted by some.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Can india get the tech to manufacturing meteor missile here itself ?

 

[BON PLAN]

Can india get the tech to manufacturing meteor missile here itself ?

Probably not. You have to do it by yourself, but it's absolutely not infeasible (Astra mk3 ?)

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Total 72 rafaels with good supply of meteors will vaporate 10 generation pak airforce jf 17 thunder ( blunder ) .

 

[MiG-29SMT]

Российский Су-35 впервые проиграл в учебном бою французскому истребителю Rafale

Истребитель Су-35 не смог победить в учебном бою против истребителя Rafale

avia.pro

Fighter Rafale disabled the radar of the Russian Su-35
The radar of the Russian Su-35 was disabled by a powerful electronic warfare system.

The invulnerability of the Russian Su-35 fighter was called into question after it became known that in a training battle, the Egyptian Air Force Rafale fighter, as a result of the use of an electronic suppression complex, was able to disable the radar station of the Russian combat aircraft, in fact, blinding it. As a result, the training battle was lost by the Su-35 fighter.

“During the training battles, the Su-35 tried to attack the Rafale, playing the role of the“ aggressor ”. With the help of the Thales Spectra system of protection and prevention of enemy fire control (electronic warfare equipment - electronic warfare), the French fighter still managed to drown out the phased antenna array (PAR) of the Su-35 radar. After disabling it, the Russian fighter was unable to aim the weapon at the enemy and was easily knocked out by Rafale , ”the Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper reports.

A little earlier, the news agency Avia.pro reported that, as part of a training battle, the Russian Su-35 fighter lost to the French Rafale fighter, although it was in the attack, which caused a number of doubts about the effectiveness of this combat aircraft.
Exactly how many series of training battles were fought between the Su-35 and Rafale fighters is still unknown.

pure propaganda

to jam a electromagnetic wave you need another wave as strong as the one intended to jam and the same power density to eleminate the whole wave into white noise.

It seems Dassault wants to sell more rafales only

"The Rafale pilot drowned out the Su-35 radar without problems": the Polish press broadcasts conjectures about the training battle of the Egyptian Air Force
July 29, 2021
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Publications that exercises were held in Egypt, in which French and Russian-made Rafale and Su-35SE fighters, respectively, converged in a simulated air battle, are actively discussed in foreign media.


It all started with a blog post claiming that the Su-35SE "was defeated in a training air battle against the French Rafale." At the same time, there was no official confirmation of this information from the Egyptian Air Force. However, this did not become a hindrance for a number of European specialized media, which began to talk about the "superiority of Western aircraft over Russian".

In particular, the material in which the author tries to analyze the "lost Su-35" during the exercises in Egypt, the battle was published in the Polish military-themed publication Defense24. The Polish author, without going into details of what the real purpose of the teachings was, writes:

During the training battle, the Russian Su-35 played the role of "aggressor" and was supposed to attack the Rafale. However, the pilot of the French fighter quickly realized that he was being irradiated by the radar, and with the help of the onboard electronic warfare system - Thales SPECTRA (Self-Protection Equipment to Counter Threats for Rafale Aircraft), he jammed the Su-35 radar without any problems. The pilot of the Russian-made aircraft could not control his weapons, and the Rafale pilot easily tracked the enemy with his radar, counterattacked, and in the end, conditionally shot him down.
The Polish author writes that in this way "it was clearly proved that in a one-on-one confrontation, the French fighter clearly outperforms a Russian-made enemy, moreover, straight from a Russian aircraft plant - after training a pilot by Russian instructors."

These conclusions sound, to put it mildly, strange. Even if this kind of exercise was carried out in the Egyptian Air Force, then it is certainly impossible to draw a conclusion from one conditional air battle about the advantage of one 4th generation aircraft over another. Indeed, in the variant of a single imitation battle, any of the aircraft would have gained the upper hand anyway. And if it turned out to be a Su-35, then would they write in the same Poland that the Russian fighter "is definitely superior to the French Rafale"? There is an opinion that it is unlikely. Moreover, neither the training nor the experience of the pilots was taken into account. In addition, there is no information about the main thing - whether the Egyptian pilot of the Su-35 was tasked with conditionally destroying the discovered Rafal, or the task was to work out exactly the departure of Rafal from a possible attack using the available onboard means.

Without these data, the publication in the Polish press looks like a broadcast of speculation, nothing more. Moreover, these speculations are clearly aimed at contributing to the competition in the world fighter market and organizing anti-PR for Russian fighters, which (whether it would be desirable in Poland or not) managed to prove themselves excellently all over the world.

«Пилот Rafale заглушил радар Су-35 без проблем»: польская пресса транслирует домыслы об учебном бое самолётов ВВС Египта

Публикации о том, что в Египте были проведены учения, в которых в имитированном воздушном бою сошлись истребители Rafale и Су-35СЭ французского и российского производства соответственно, активно обсуждается в зарубежных СМИ. Началось всё с публикации в блогах, где утверждалось, будто бы Су-35СЭ

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