Kaveri Engine

[Assassin 2.0]

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[Assassin 2.0]

Only countries which have experience in building jet engines are USA France UK Russia.
China and india both lacked the experience in this key technological sector we should see how Chinese how China Countered this thing they first used WS-10 in J-10 which resulted in crashes then they replaced them with AL-31 but at the same time they started to equip their dual engine flanker copies with W-10 which created a real life experience for them Chinese engine are immature lacked the life span throttle issues and what not but they kept manufacturing hundreds of these engines improving them each time and then they reached a level to approve WS-10 for J-10.
And those who think that kaveri is not capable of using in a jet should know that WS-10 testing in Russia 2009-10 was not great either and Dassault audit have already cleared kaveri for limited flight testing.

India should also equip MIG-29 with kaveri because both engines are of same category and it will create experience and will create manufacturing capabilities and their are many
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hings which we cannot fix just by sitting in labs.

 

[IndianHawk]

I think we are giving extremely challenging task to GTRE and drdo to develop A medium weight 110KN thrust engine.
It again proves India's ambitions always remain high.


The engine which are seeking neither Russians and amerikkii& french have developed this type of engine.

Nothing to do with over ambition . That's where the technology is going. If you don't equip your jets with an engine upto contemporary standards of thrust and weight then you have an overweight low power plane.

 

[IndianHawk]

Only countries which have experience in building jet engines are USA France UK Russia.
China and india both lacked the experience in this key technological sector we should see how Chinese how China Countered this thing they first used WS-10 in J-10 which resulted in crashes then they replaced them with AL-31 but at the same time they started to equip their dual engine flanker copies with W-10 which created a real life experience for them Chinese engine are immature lacked the life span throttle issues and what not but they kept manufacturing hundreds of these engines improving them each time and then they reached a level to approve WS-10 for J-10.
And those who think that kaveri is not capable of using in a jet should know that WS-10 testing in Russia 2009-10 was not great either and Dassault audit have already cleared kaveri for limited flight testing.

India should also equip MIG-29 with kaveri because both engines are of same category and it will create experience and will create manufacturing capabilities and their are many
t
hings which we cannot fix just by sitting in labs.

Chinese are only trying to meet Russian engine standards which is easier. We are trying to meet western standards of engine in terms of weight and thrust and reliability which is extremely difficult.
Secondly Chinese have no access to western engine so they don't have any options because if Russia blocks them they will be completely engine less. So they are pushing forward with their shitty engines at the cost of pilot lives.

Kaveri has build the base I'm pretty sure that India will succeed with engine in next decade.

 

[no smoking]

China and india both lacked the experience in this key technological sector we should see how Chinese how China Countered this thing they first used WS-10 in J-10 which resulted in crashes then they replaced them with AL-31 but at the same time they started to equip their dual engine flanker copies with W-10 which created a real life experience for them

Oh, please, if you want to comment on something, at least get the fact right. The J-10 was never equiped with a single WS-10 at all until today. The first WS-10 was installed on only one J-10B prototype around 2015 when J-11B has been flying with WS-10 more than 5 years.

Chinese engine are immature lacked the life span throttle issues and what not but they kept manufacturing hundreds of these engines improving them each time and then they reached a level to approve WS-10 for J-10.

Wrong again. The issue preventing WS-10 from installing on J-10 is the quality stability which is true for any country that first time produce 3rd generation jet engine.

The lifespan is not an issue at all. That is the necessary growing stage of any modern jet engine: all the jet engines have a minimum requirement of 3oo hours lifespan. They will put into mass production once pass this crieteria. The lifespan will be increased in the following usage.

And those who think that kaveri is not capable of using in a jet should know that WS-10 testing in Russia 2009-10 was not great either

A typical fantasy story created by India paper: WS-10 was never sent to Russia for any test. Russan would be the last one wants to see the success of WS-10. In fact, after 2016, not a single AL-31 was ordered.

Dassault audit have already cleared kaveri for limited flight testing.

That is laughable: Dassault is a plane manufacturer not engine expertise.

India should also equip MIG-29 with kaveri because both engines are of same category and it will create experience and will create manufacturing capabilities and their are many
things which we cannot fix just by sitting in labs.

Not that simple. The dry weight of RD-33 MK is 1145kg with 88kn thrust while Kaveri dry weight 1236 kg with around 80kn. You have to make a big change on Mig-29's structure to accomodate the extra 91kg and re-write the fly control to balance the shortage of thrust. All these can't be done without Russians.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

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Second graph is about temperature of exhaust gas from GE 404 , the NASA document published in 1986 . Exhaust gas temperature is about 1800C , Combustion chamber Temperature is more than this .

We can't settle on what achieve , we should improve , nobody is there to help us . We should develop materials and cooling techniques that can stand atleast 2300C for our future Aircrafts.

Everybody will rush to help us when we are about to make it. Nobody except Russia will help till we are about to realize this Technologies. US offered us patriot when we were Successful in making AAD and PAD. They offered us javelin when we succeeded in Nag etc. If US offer us engine technology in future, it will be an indication of we are capable of making engine on our own.

 

[IndianHawk]

A typical fantasy story created by India paper: WS-10 was never sent to Russia for any test. Russan would be the last one wants to see the success of WS-10. In fact, after 2016, not a single AL-31 was ordered.

Chinese had no platform to test engine back then

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And you have bought entire su35 so that Russian continue to support your engines also because j20 is a dud. Stop lying.

 

[IndianHawk]

Everybody will rush to help us when we are about to make it. Nobody except Russia will help till we are about to realize this Technologies. US offered us patriot when we were Successful in making AAD and PAD. They offered us javelin when we succeeded in Nag etc. If US offer us engine technology in future, it will be an indication of we are capable of making engine on our own.

French won't offer us their core if they didn't fear that we might never need their core in future.

It's already happening. We have come far ahead than people here realise.

 

[Karthi]

3 D printed parts of HAL HTEF Engine . Tge last picture is the 3D printer which printed the Turbine blades , with 3D printing we can accurately manufactur High end fan blades for jet engine.

 

[Karthi]

M88 e

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M88 has 50 KN and 75 KN thrust respectively , if we fix other issues of Kaveri then we can develop Twin Engine ORCA using Kaver engine , ORCA can supplement Rafale as a Rafale + Fighter .

 

[IndianHawk]

 

[IndianHawk]

Kaveri is pretty advanced overall. Max temperature is just 100° below that of eurojet while specific fuel consumption is in league of m88. Thrust to weight is low but almost 8:1 with some improvement can meet m88 8.5:1.

Like I said before we are looking to meet western standards.

 

[IndianHawk]

Not that simple. The dry weight of RD-33 MK is 1145kg with 88kn thrust while Kaveri dry weight 1236 kg with around 80kn.

Kaveri weight is now much less. It's twr is 7.8 and with thrust at 81kn it's weight should be 1038kg.

 

[Astra2019]

Kaveri weight is now much less. It's twr is 7.8 and with thrust at 81kn it's weight should be 1038kg.

It should be 1059kg if you calculate with more accurate value of g=9.8

 

[Assassin 2.0]

That is laughable: Dassault is a plane manufacturer not engine

Typo error.

 

[Karthi]

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bypass ratio is very high compared to other , good for more thrust and possibly a good IR signature supression . The math look fine but the problem is we need the performance for a long time and in almost every condition where our Kaveri failed

 

[Karthi]

Micro Jetengines developed by Indian Private Firm

 

[Ajax01]

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bypass ratio is very high compared to other , good for more thrust and possibly a good IR signature supression . The math look fine but the problem is we need the performance for a long time and in almost every condition where our Kaveri failed

Actually its very low 0.18. The most there is 0.4.

 

[Aaj ka hero]

M88 e

M88 has 50 KN and 75 KN thrust respectively , if we fix other issues of Kaveri then we can develop Twin Engine ORCA using Kaver engine , ORCA can supplement Rafale as a Rafale + Fighter .

You are missing LIMITED FLIGHT ENVELOPE part.

 

[Karthi]

Actually its very low 0.18. The most there is 0.4.

Thanks bro I read 1.8