Kaveri Engine

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Kaveri engine to fly futuristic unmanned aircraft

The Defence R&D Organisation's (DRDO's) faltering project to develop an indigenous jet engine has sparked into life again. With the Kaveri engine, born from this project, found short on power for the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), the MoD has nominated the Kaveri to power the hush-hush Unmanned Strike Air Vehicle (USAV), a pilot-less bomber aircraft that the DRDO is developing.

Broadsword: Kaveri engine to fly futuristic unmanned aircraft

 

[sayareakd]

perhaps the platforms available with us are not fit enough to match the magnitude of testing being carried out in Russia. One simple reason could be, our trainers cant fly non stop at high altitude like IL-76 probably.

sir that IL-76 is flying test lab.

something like this with early LCA radar

 

[sayareakd]

someone has forget to remove the cloth. looks like cleaning is going on.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The reason IL-76 is used coz it have 4 engine, one is used for Kaveri, in case it failed other three can support the aircraft back to safe landing..

 

[sasi]

~Kaveri test bed~

 

[sayareakd]

~Kaveri test bed~

same facility from different angle.

 

[ersakthivel]

Broadsword: Kaveri engine to fly futuristic unmanned aircraft
So kaveri will power the indian ucavs.

 

[Sam2012]

But Kavery Dry thrust is 49.2KN & Wet Thrust is 70.4KN which definetely cannot power tejas in combat roles , may be in Jet trainers , UCAV & LCA TD vehicle for technology demostration . But Snecma M-88 75KN after burner thrust which is marginally above than Kaveri

And DRDO was about to strike a deal with Snecma for increaseing the thrust of Kaveri upto 100+ KN what is the status on that?

As per ADA AMCA prototype will fly between 2017-2020 using kaveri engine of 100+KN thrust , is this really possible? or it is again one more weather in ADA hat

 

[Sam2012]

Is there any possiblity of AL-31 technology being transfered to Kaveri, for increasing the trust? if yes how? if no, then what is purpose of technology transfer?

AL-31 is 123+KN rated engine ,HAL license produces both AL-31 & Klimov RD series then why can't few good technology go into kaveri which can improve thrust

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Both are different type of engines, there weight and size also different ..

LCA is for light combat Aircraft, The engine design for it also a light weight catagory, AL-31 on other hand is very big and weight more...

 

[Sam2012]

Both are different type of engines, there weight and size also different ..

LCA is for light combat Aircraft, The engine design for it also a light weight catagory, AL-31 on other hand is very big and weight more...

Boss ur right agreed , but what about Klimov RD-33 series??

 

[Kunal Biswas]

RD-33 is a good engine but unreliable and smoky compare to western engines in same class ..

 

[Sam2012]

But can't we copy thrust technology from RD-33 since we TOT & pass it to Kaveri , I agree its not easy as said but still guys from ADA can give a try instead of blaming each other & sitting on engine which is meant to power LCA , but it can't now we would use the same to power UCAV of 10-15 ton class , what if the weight of UCAV goes upto 20+ton ?

More involment of private sector can really help Kaveri to make a comeback i feel , any news on Snecma DRDO deal for K-10 Engine?

& Any news on

 

[Sam2012]

Anyways im not trying to degrade or downplay the achievement of DRDO trying to design aircraft engine which will never be easy for country like India which depends on Public PSU & imported tech

May be its high time we allow Indian Pvt company in defence project so that they will not only tech but also commitment , hope 2013 moves india towards self reliance

Eg: Mahindra & NAL -NM5

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Present Kaveri is way better than RD-33 in many ways..

 

[Somreet Bhattacharya]

Is there any possiblity of AL-31 technology being transfered to Kaveri, for increasing the trust? if yes how? if no, then what is purpose of technology transfer?

AL-31 is 123+KN rated engine ,HAL license produces both AL-31 & Klimov RD series then why can't few good technology go into kaveri which can improve thrust

Well sir
The Klimov RD 93 the one HAL licence produces can very well be a basis for the Kaveri,since it falls in the same class,where as the AL-31 is a bigger and more powerful engine if I am not wrong...but the problem with the Kaveri is the Kabini core and the crystal blades of the turbo fan engine...something that can only be solved with a full technology transfer which no one would do...licence production is basically assembling with permission...where most parts are supplied by the mother company.

 

[Decklander]

Well sir
The Klimov RD 93 the one HAL licence produces can very well be a basis for the Kaveri,since it falls in the same class,where as the AL-31 is a bigger and more powerful engine if I am not wrong...but the problem with the Kaveri is the Kabini core and the crystal blades of the turbo fan engine...something that can only be solved with a full technology transfer which no one would do...licence production is basically assembling with permission...where most parts are supplied by the mother company.

I hope Rafale deal includes transfer of Tech for M88 engines also. Kaveri is unique in many areas and if it comes good, it will be best in its class in the world.

 

[Sam2012]

Present Kaveri is way better than RD-33 in many ways..

Yes ur right kaveri is good engine which emits less smoke compare to klimov engine & FADEC control is top class very similar to western engine very reliable. But bottom line Kaveri is heavy & produce only 70.4KN afterburner thrust but klimov RD-33 produces 85+KN this is where kaveri fails very badly



Kaveri engine to fly futuristic unmanned aircraft

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Kaveri Engine >

Full afterburner: 18,210 lbf (81.0 kN)
Dry weight: 2,724 lb (1,235 kg)

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RD-33 >

81.3 kN (18,285 lbf) Afterburning.
Dry weight: 1,055 kg (2,326 lb)

:cool2:

Yes ur right kaveri is good engine which emits less smoke compare to klimov engine & FADEC control is top class very similar to western engine very reliable. But bottom line Kaveri is heavy & produce only 70.4KN afterburner thrust but klimov RD-33 produces 85+KN this is where kaveri fails very badly

 

[Sam2012]

Kaveri Engine >

Full afterburner: 18,210 lbf (81.0 kN)
Dry weight: 2,724 lb (1,235 kg)

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RD-33 >

81.3 kN (18,285 lbf) Afterburning.
Dry weight: 1,055 kg (2,326 lb)

:cool2:

Sir thanks but recent SEA wasp engine( latest vesion) has 85+KN thrust & even 81Kn as u mentioned is far better than 70.4KN Kaveri , my question is what is harm in reverse engineering those tech & update it into Kavery?