Kaveri Engine

[Belagutti]

Well auto companies like Mahindra and Tata can definitely build aero engines in JV. They will be far more efficient than HAL.

With large quantity they could built engine's with better quality than HAL at similar prices.

 

[garg_bharat]

Gov-to-gov deal is only way to move forward right now though it is not the most efficient. Let us see how things shape up.

I think LCA Tejas should continue to use GE engines even in mark 2. These engines are really good.

While a JV comes out with an engine for AMCA.

 

[BeEverVectorMan]

Can expert of Bajaj motorcycle engines help in the development of turbojet engine ?

Why do you think that ISRO expert of cryogenic engine can develop a 5th gen turbojet engine ?

This means you are not a Mechanical engineering in first place
So I choose to ignore your post

 

[airtel]

Well auto companies like Mahindra and Tata can definitely build aero engines in JV. They will be far more efficient than HAL.

Tata could not make an efficient engine for their trucks and cars even after so many decades ......almost all the diesel cars of Tata are using engines made by Fiat.

All the petrol cars of Tata have poor quality this is the reason why people don't buy TATA cars and choose brands like HONDA , Hyundai and Suzuki .


And TATA trucks are using Cummins engines ( again American company ) .


They could not make reliable world class diesel engines in so many decades but people still think that they can make better turbojet engines then government organizations .


Ok then who is stopping them ?

Did Indian government ever prohibit private companies from making turbojet engines ?

 

[Belagutti]

Tata could not make an efficient engine for their trucks and cars even after so many decades ......almost all the diesel cars of Tata are using engines made by Ford ( American company )

All the petrol cars of Tata have poor quality this is the reason why people don't buy TATA cars and choose brands like HONDA , Hyundai and Suzuki .


And TATA trucks are using Cummins engines ( again American company ) .


They could not make reliable world class diesel engines in so many decades but people still think that they can make better turbojet engines then government organizations .


Ok then who is stopping them ?

Did Indian government ever prohibit private companies from making turbojet engines ?

Didnt the quality of tata cars and engine improved ?

 

[airtel]

Didnt the quality of tata cars and engine improved ?

They offer diesel engines in big cars only ( like Tata harrier ) which are manufacturered by Fiat .

And their petrol engines are noisy and less refined than the engines of Honda .


This is the reason they are not able to sell their cars despite offering better build quality and Looks in cheaper price .


Almost all the Tata trucks are using Cummins diesel engines.

Anyways please stick to the topic = Indian Aero engines .

 

[Belagutti]

They offer diesel engines in big cars only ( like Tata harrier ) which are manufacturered by Fiat .

And their petrol engines are noisy and less refined than the engines of Honda .


This is the reason they are not able to sell their cars despite offering better build quality and Looks in cheaper price .


Anyways please stick to the topic = Indian Aero engines .

Using Hexa for many years no problem with engine or noise. Sticking to the topic

 

[airtel]

Using Hexa for many years no problem with engine or noise.

Because Those engines are manufacturered based on technologies of AVL engines ( Austrian company ) , it is still inferior to the diesel engines offered by Fiat .

 

[Belagutti]

Because Those engines are manufacturered based on technologies of AVL engines ( Austrian company ) , it is still inferior to the diesel engines offered by Fiat .

Didnt our concern is creating engine with enough thrust, the quality is other issue.

 

[Arihant]

Tata could not make an efficient engine for their trucks and cars even after so many decades ......almost all the diesel cars of Tata are using engines made by Ford ( American company )

All the petrol cars of Tata have poor quality this is the reason why people don't buy TATA cars and choose brands like HONDA , Hyundai and Suzuki .


And TATA trucks are using Cummins engines ( again American company ) .


They could not make reliable world class diesel engines in so many decades but people still think that they can make better turbojet engines then government organizations .


Ok then who is stopping them ?

Did Indian government ever prohibit private companies from making turbojet engines ?

True. I read Indian automobile industry don't invest much in R&D. If they can not not make even a good 4 wheeler engine, how will they make a jet engine?

 

[airtel]

This means you are not a Mechanical engineering in first place
So I choose to ignore your post

Do mechanical engineers believe that internal combustion engine manufacturers and ISRO rocket scientists can make 5th generation turbojet engines ?

Then maybe we should consult Harley‑Davidson instead of SAFRAN ?

 

[Belagutti]

Do mechanical engineers believe that internal combustion engine manufacturers and ISRO rocket scientists can make 5th generation turbojet engines ?

Then maybe we should consult Harley‑Davidson instead of SAFRAN ?

They would do better job than safran.

 

[airtel]

Didnt our concern is creating engine with enough thrust, the quality is other issue.

Our concerns are thrust to weight ratio , higher dry trust for super Cruise , fuel efficiency , maintenance ,lifespan , size of engine , Less heat emission and many more things .

The reason why EJ200 series engines are preferred because it has only five-stage high-pressure compressor as compared to 6 or 7 stages compressor of other comparable engines .

They would do better job than safran.

Yeah a company which developed zero turbojet engine , has no experience , patents , test facilities or expertise would make better turbojet engines than a company which is making turbojet engines from 60-70 years of experience with thousands of experts , patents and facilities .

 

[BeEverVectorMan]

Do mechanical engineers believe that internal combustion engine manufacturers and ISRO rocket scientists can make 5th generation turbojet engines ?

Then maybe we should consult Harley‑Davidson instead of SAFRAN ?

Again I say if you are BTECH in MECHANICAL ENGINEERING then only respond else ignore my post
End of discussion

 

[airtel]

This means you are not a Mechanical engineering in first place
So I choose to ignore your post

Again I say if you are BTECH in MECHANICAL ENGINEERING then only respond
End of discussion

Next time please don't quote me while ignoring my posts .
End of discussion .

 

[Belagutti]

Our concerns are thrust to weight ratio , higher dry trust for super Cruise , fuel efficiency , maintenance ,lifespan , size of engine , Less heat emission and many more things .

The reason why EJ200 series engines are preferred because it has only five-stage high-pressure compressor as compared to 6 or 7 stages compressor of other comparable engines .





Yeah a company which developed zero turbojet engine , has no experience , patents , test facilities or expertise would make better turbojet engines than a company which is making turbojet engines from 60-70 years of experience with thousands of experts , patents and facilities .

It was sarcastic and when did the safran helped if it had happen we would had Kaveri in the tejas, they just wasted our time.

 

[garg_bharat]

Tata could not make an efficient engine for their trucks and cars even after so many decades ......almost all the diesel cars of Tata are using engines made by Fiat.

All the petrol cars of Tata have poor quality this is the reason why people don't buy TATA cars and choose brands like HONDA , Hyundai and Suzuki .


And TATA trucks are using Cummins engines ( again American company ) .


They could not make reliable world class diesel engines in so many decades but people still think that they can make better turbojet engines then government organizations .


Ok then who is stopping them ?

Did Indian government ever prohibit private companies from making turbojet engines ?

I said "in JV". You missed the JV part. They do have better industrial discipline than DPSU.

 

[garg_bharat]

It was sarcastic and when did the safran helped if it had happen we would had Kaveri in the tejas, they just wasted our time.

Boss aero engine tech is the most fiercely guarded industrial secret. If anybody thinks India will get it on a platter, he is daydreaming.

The path for India is import plus start JVs. And also develop Kaveri type engines for UCAV and small engines for missiles using completely indigenous efforts.

 

[Belagutti]

Boss aero engine tech is the most fiercely guarded industrial secret. If anybody thinks India will get it on a platter, he is daydreaming.

The path for India is import plus start JVs. And also develop Kaveri type engines for UCAV and small engines for missiles using completely indigenous efforts.

But we need a good JV Helper not like Safran's.

 

[garg_bharat]

But we need a good JV Helper not like Safran's.

There is a JV between Safran and Sukhoi for Superjet 100 aircraft engine called SAM146. Safran builds the hot part of the engine while Russians build rest of the engine. Obviously Safran did not want to give their tech to Russians. Although this engine is high performance, it suffered from large number of failures almost sinking the SSJ100 program.

Yes French are not good JV partners.