INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

WolfPack86

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There are reports that #IndianArmy will now go for Indigenous carbine . OFB INSAS 1C carbine, CQB, JVPC, Amogha etc have specific field as well as X-95. I believe the standard issue requirement will be fulfilled by SSS Defence or Aste Defence. However may be by modified AK too.
 

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Carbine contract likely to go to PLR Systems.

51% stake in PLR Systems bought by Adani. So what if Caracal topped the table in performance and was also L1. The best option for Caracal is to tie up with a desi entity and bid under Atmanirbhar bharat.
I agree with you on that caracal is providing a very good product so was their rifle in comparison to Sig.

But Sig had its dealer working since a decade here for this while caracal perhaps didn't had much here.

I still wish if any ofb or pvt ones simply buyoff the license and then do some changes and launch them here.

SCAR is another one we should try to copy pretty unfortunate that we haven't move forward for anything.

Atleast for rifles and ammo we shouldn't depend on anyone.
 

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I agree with you on that caracal is providing a very good product so was their rifle in comparison to Sig.

But Sig had its dealer working since a decade here for this while caracal perhaps didn't had much here.

I still wish if any ofb or pvt ones simply buyoff the license and then do some changes and launch them here.

SCAR is another one we should try to copy pretty unfortunate that we haven't move forward for anything.

Atleast for rifles and ammo we shouldn't depend on anyone.
OFB 7.16x51 rifle is a pretty good rifle. Honestly don't know why it was panned by many.

Needs more field trials, accessories and fine tuning.

If OFB takes its user feedback seriously, it can easily win a lot of orders from CAPFs and BSF potential.

OFB marketing team needs to make some good videos of it with sights and keep posting on youtube. Wouldn't be surprised if it piques interest among gun enthusiasts in the West.
 

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Carbines, Anti Air Systems for Indian Army to be made in India after MoD cancels import
The defence ministry has cancelled two arms import contracts for the army worth over $ 2.5 billion that were in the final stages, preferring to go for the Make in India route. In a special meeting held on Tuesday, chaired by the Defence Secretary, it has been decided that plans to procure close quarter carbines from a UAE based company and a program to import Self Propelled Air Defence systems from South Korea are being scrapped.

The meeting, which was also attended by Chief of Defence Staff Gen Bipin Rawat, concluded that the contracts will now be placed under the Make in India initiative to give a boost to the domestic industry, sources said.

It is not clear under which clause the procurements would proceed but the army has projected an urgent requirement for close quarter carbines and had been processing the deal under a fast track process. As reported by ET, a view within the government was that with recent announcements on Atmanirbhar Bharat, as well as representations from domestic companies promising an equivalent product for sale, the import case needs to be cancelled.

A UAE based arms manufacturer Caracal had been shortlisted to supply 93895 close quarter carbines for the army has written to the defence ministry after it emerged as the lowest bidder for a fast track procurement by the army in 2018.

The case was tricky, given that the Caracal group had not been originally included in the list of companies to which tenders were to be issued in 2018 by the army. It only managed to enter the competition after the Acquisition wing of the Defence Ministry recommended its inclusion. Fed up with delays in the acquisition case that was to be fast tracked, the Army had recommended either the case has to be shut down or should move to the next stage of contract negotiation at the earliest.

The acquisition case for Self Propelled Air Defence Gun Missile System (SPAD-GMS) – the Indian Army wants five regiments of the guns that can be deployed with forward moving forces and can be quickly relocated on the basis of threat perception – has also been cancelled after South Korean company Hanwa’s K 30 Biho was shortlisted by the Army.

The estimated $ 2.5 billion contract for new air defence systems for the Army has been hanging fire since last year after Russia protested that it had been unfairly disqualified from the competition in which the Korean company was shortlisted.

Both the Russian upgraded Tunguska M1 and Pantsir missile systems failed to qualify for the acquisition of 104 system that are needed by the Army, promoting a formal complaint to the Independent Monitors (IMs) set up within the MoD to monitor acquisition cases.

As reported by ET the IMs recommended that the Russians be given another chance to prove the system. This however, was found to be unfair by the acquisition wing that had pointed out that a re-trial opportunity at this late stage would set a dangerous new precedent and would vitiate the principle of a level playing field.

While the recommendation was to expedite the contract negotiation or move for a retrial at the earliest, the contract has now been scrapped keeping in mind new plans under the Make in India initiative.

The two programs would come as a welcome surprise for the Indian industry, particularly the private sector, which has developed capabilities over the past few years to manufacture such systems domestically.
 

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The weapons supplied to then when enter mass production suffer from poor quality production and raw materials. Thats not their fault but OFBs
I am quoting one of the retd. Colonel who was involved in the development of INSAS. He mentioned that when drdo pull out themselves from INSAS rifle Modification then army specialists team themselves fix the highlighted issues in 24 hrs. And they finally able to make 1C. Which as per him he challenged can compete with any available 5.56 rifle in the market. Within few days army changed their doctorine and decided to shift back to 7.62 51 for AR.
Now this is called corruption.
 

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Carbine contract likely to go to PLR Systems.

51% stake in PLR Systems bought by Adani. So what if Caracal topped the table in performance and was also L1. The best option for Caracal is to tie up with a desi entity and bid under Atmanirbhar bharat.
Issue with carcal was post sales support that's not reliable.
X95 can't be enter into service in large scale as it will be a costly affair with scope. It can be given to elite squads.
P72 can be given to infantry and ofb's amogh can be added for rest of the army.
 

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Issue with carcal was post sales support that's not reliable.
X95 can't be enter into service in large scale as it will be a costly affair with scope. It can be given to elite squads.
P72 can be given to infantry and ofb's amogh can be added for rest of the army.
Caracal: More than sales support it was objection made by other parties and then Make in India .

X95 is a Bullpup , not everyone is comfy with it army in general prefers conventional rifles.

Even China is replacing it's problematic bullpup rifles. Though it has more to do with the performance of their rifle .

Personally I like the bullpup compact size but it's the IA who will be using it so they know better.

I am quoting one of the retd. Colonel who was involved in the development of INSAS. He mentioned that when drdo pull out themselves from INSAS rifle Modification then army specialists team themselves fix the highlighted issues in 24 hrs. And they finally able to make 1C. Which as per him he challenged can compete with any available 5.56 rifle in the market. Within few days army changed their doctorine and decided to shift back to 7.62 51 for AR.
Now this is called corruption.
There are so many stories floating around but fact is 5.56 round wasn't good enough and there was a need to move up.

OFB DRDO had years but the best they did was copy Bulgarian AK copy into TAR.

I am not saying there wasn't corruption through. Sig had its agents here for a decade to seal deals for them.
 

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Dude any idea why Pkms and other 7.62x54 weapons could be fed bg only non disentegrating belts and not the modern disintegrating ones.Is it hard to fed them through disentegrating ones or Russians just chose to go with the non disentegrating belts.
 

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Dude any idea why Pkms and other 7.62x54 weapons could be fed bg only non disentegrating belts and not the modern disintegrating ones.Is it hard to fed them through disentegrating ones or Russians just chose to go with the non disentegrating belts.
russians chose to go with the non disentegrating ones. Even the newest lmg from Kalashnikov which fires 5.45x39 ammo has non disentegrating links.
 

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Dude any idea why Pkms and other 7.62x54 weapons could be fed bg only non disentegrating belts and not the modern disintegrating ones.Is it hard to fed them through disentegrating ones or Russians just chose to go with the non disentegrating belts.
They are basically use and throw. There are disintegrating polymer belts for the PKM these days too.
 

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