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MICWS is in user trails, Its not known which version will army use, Its difficult to say much about it as its design is different from 1B1, MCIWS can be assumed to be more reliable than M4 in service with SF ..

Yes, Its chambered for 6.8mm but not Remington, The weight and velocity may be different from international design just like OFB 5.56mm ..
Good Information ....Few more questions :
1. Assuming it's a piston gun, is it long or short stroke ?
2. Is it the same separate upper and lower receiver design like M4 or AR15 ?
3. Can it take, side folding stocks (like say SIG MCX ) or is it standard buffer tube design like AR15 / M4 platform ?
Thanks in advance..
 

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Short stroke & yes much like AR-15 design and it has side folding butt stock ..



Dedicated thread : http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/drdo-multical-rifle-unveiled.58105/page-29

Good Information ....Few more questions :
1. Assuming it's a piston gun, is it long or short stroke ?
2. Is it the same separate upper and lower receiver design like M4 or AR15 ?
3. Can it take, side folding stocks (like say SIG MCX ) or is it standard buffer tube design like AR15 / M4 platform ?
Thanks in advance..
 

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Short stroke & yes much like AR-15 design and it has side folding butt stock ..



Dedicated thread : http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/drdo-multical-rifle-unveiled.58105/page-29
Dada,i think the Short Stroke Gas system in this gun is similar to FN SCAR,Robinson XCR-M and current variant of AK-12's Short Stroke System i.e. a Short Stroke Piston pushes Bolt Carrier Extension Rod (here,a conventional long stroke gas piston rod) instead of hitting Bolt Carrier Group directly.

This way they can reduce recoil of the firearm as the mass of Bolt Carrier Extension Rod will provide some inertia to the moving system.
 
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Short stroke & yes much like AR-15 design and it has side folding butt stock ..



Dedicated thread : http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/drdo-multical-rifle-unveiled.58105/page-29
Thanks ! Then this rifle has almost everything a modern service rifle must have...and is very similar to the latest HK rifle (Hk433), which is the leading contender for German Army adoption.......I wonder why a rifle like MICWS hasn't been accepted by our Army ???


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Mciws (nee AAR, Advance Assault Rifle) which is in user trial phase is an evolving multi caliber assault rifle designed by ARDE, Pune. Being a multicalibar rifle it can be chambered with various rounds such as 5.56x45mm Nato, 6.8mm and 7.62x39mm. It has many advantages over other counterparts such as AR15, M4 etc. That is that, for example, being an evolving and under user trial it can incorporate new mechanism as recommended by the end user. AFAIK, for example, mciws's retractable (adjustable) but not foldable butt-stock is replaced by a foldable and retractable one due to customer requirement.

At the moment mciws/AAR is being replaced by OFB's 7.62x51mm nato rifle by its primary end user due its ever changing requirement such as from 7.62 nato to 5.56 nato, again from 5.56 nato to an unrealistic multicalibar then back to 7.62 nato. This process of IA caliber change is often referred to as "shifting of goalpost". Unfortunatwly, all its requirements are being chased by drdo/arde/ofb. In the end MOD may ram down IA's throat one of the indegenous assault rifle just like Tejas episode to IAF. Otherwise it will be the most insulting period in the history of Assault rifle development and manufacturing in India.
 

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Wanted to ask few things. Hope any member gives the answer to my queries :

1. What happened to MCIWS cause I heard it will be inducted in few months time ? Is it renamed Advanced Automatic Rifle-AAR now ?

2. Since MCIWS is available both in 5.56x45 mm and 7.62x39 calibers which version will Indian Army use ?

3. How good is MCIWS compared to international rifles which can sport different calibers like FN SCAR ?

4. How reliable is MCIWS ?

5. Is MCIWS also chambered in 6.8mm Remington SPC ?

Apologies if this is the wrong thread to ask these questions

The guy in the video is Sandeep Unnithan, a journalist form India Today group. Recently he has been uploading videos regarding small arms of Indian military. If you go to the comment section of the video, you'll see that quite a number of times he has mentioned that the MCIWS project is dead since 2015.
 

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The guy in the video is Sandeep Unnithan, a journalist form India Today group. Recently he has been uploading videos regarding small arms of Indian military. If you go to the comment section of the video, you'll see that quite a number of times he has mentioned that the MCIWS project is dead since 2015.
But again if DRDO scientists says that they expect something in 6-10 months, he can't be ignored either!
 

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I really hope the DRDO scientists are right and the gun reaches to our soldiers.
 

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The guy in the video is Sandeep Unnithan, a journalist form India Today group. Recently he has been uploading videos regarding small arms of Indian military. If you go to the comment section of the video, you'll see that quite a number of times he has mentioned that the MCIWS project is dead since 2015.
I think this news is true.
The IA has already canceled the Multi caliber weapon procurement and going for 7.62 mm assault rifle.
MCIWS may be of great use to special forces.
 

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Eversince the cancellation of Indian army requirement for a unrealistic multicalibar rifle, arde's mciws programme continues as AAR (Advance Assault Rifle), it's alive and kicking but dormant and evolving at the moment. It will come back to the reckoning just like the jvpc/msmc/Milap did.
 

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Sitharaman's daily meetings with service chiefs give momentum to stalled defence projects

Defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman's strategy of meeting the three service chiefs every day has helped her ministry and the armed forces to take decisions to push stalled projects and proposals.


Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman's daily meetings with the three service chiefs and defence secretary have started yielding results as they have started taking decisions to push the stalled projects and proposals of the armed forces.

Recently, in one of the meetings, the army raised the issue of its tender for procuring around 4,450 Light Machine Guns getting retracted as it was found to be a single vendor case, where Israeli firm IWI was the only company found fit during the trials.

Defence ministry procurement procedures discourage acquisition in cases where only one firm is in the fray for offering product.

After the tender was scrapped, the army put across in the meeting that the lack of these machine guns was hampering its operational preparedness, sources told Mail Today.

To offer a solution to the force, the DRDO has offered to provide LMG developed by it on its own for the army, which has apprehensions that its procurement may get delayed.

However, the defence minister and the army asked the DRDO to provide the indigenously developed LMG within 30 days for extensive trials before it could be inducted officially.


The mega "buy and make" procurement plan involved an initial direct purchase of around 4,400 LMGs from a foreign armament company, followed by a tie-up with the Ordnance Factory Board with transfer of technology for large-scale indigenous production. The entire project would have cost an estimated Rs 13,000 crore.

The project had come under the scanner during former defence minister Manohar Parrikar's tenure who was assessing as to how could the acquisition process became a single vendor case after a large number of companies initially showed interest.

"If we keep moving at this pace and quick decisions can be taken by the services and the bureaucracy, this would definitely help in speeding up the processes and resolve long pending issues," a senior military officer told Mail Today.

The initiative to hold a meeting everyday was taken by Sitharaman soon after she took over and the services are either represented by their chiefs and in case they are not there, their Vice Chiefs attend the meeting.

There were apprehensions earlier that how could the daily meetings with the services would help in speeding up the work, but the services headquarters are quite positive about it now.

Every day, the three service chiefs meet the defence minister in her office where they take up one issue faced by the respective services and the then discussion is followed up with the administration finding solutions or the reason for slowing down of the proposals.

The minister has also decided to hold meetings of the Defence Acquisiton Council, the highest decision making body on defence procurement, every fortnight.


http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...iefs-momentum-stalled-projects/1/1051731.html


The indigenously developed ARDE light machine gun has a got a second wind with the import tender getting scrapped.




 

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Sitharaman's daily meetings with service chiefs give momentum to stalled defence projects

Defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman's strategy of meeting the three service chiefs every day has helped her ministry and the armed forces to take decisions to push stalled projects and proposals.


Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman's daily meetings with the three service chiefs and defence secretary have started yielding results as they have started taking decisions to push the stalled projects and proposals of the armed forces.

Recently, in one of the meetings, the army raised the issue of its tender for procuring around 4,450 Light Machine Guns getting retracted as it was found to be a single vendor case, where Israeli firm IWI was the only company found fit during the trials.

Defence ministry procurement procedures discourage acquisition in cases where only one firm is in the fray for offering product.

After the tender was scrapped, the army put across in the meeting that the lack of these machine guns was hampering its operational preparedness, sources told Mail Today.

To offer a solution to the force, the DRDO has offered to provide LMG developed by it on its own for the army, which has apprehensions that its procurement may get delayed.

However, the defence minister and the army asked the DRDO to provide the indigenously developed LMG within 30 days for extensive trials before it could be inducted officially.


The mega "buy and make" procurement plan involved an initial direct purchase of around 4,400 LMGs from a foreign armament company, followed by a tie-up with the Ordnance Factory Board with transfer of technology for large-scale indigenous production. The entire project would have cost an estimated Rs 13,000 crore.

The project had come under the scanner during former defence minister Manohar Parrikar's tenure who was assessing as to how could the acquisition process became a single vendor case after a large number of companies initially showed interest.

"If we keep moving at this pace and quick decisions can be taken by the services and the bureaucracy, this would definitely help in speeding up the processes and resolve long pending issues," a senior military officer told Mail Today.

The initiative to hold a meeting everyday was taken by Sitharaman soon after she took over and the services are either represented by their chiefs and in case they are not there, their Vice Chiefs attend the meeting.

There were apprehensions earlier that how could the daily meetings with the services would help in speeding up the work, but the services headquarters are quite positive about it now.

Every day, the three service chiefs meet the defence minister in her office where they take up one issue faced by the respective services and the then discussion is followed up with the administration finding solutions or the reason for slowing down of the proposals.

The minister has also decided to hold meetings of the Defence Acquisiton Council, the highest decision making body on defence procurement, every fortnight.


http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...iefs-momentum-stalled-projects/1/1051731.html


The indigenously developed ARDE light machine gun has a got a second wind with the import tender getting scrapped.




Which year was this LMG RFI from?
 

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Was the cancelled tender for procuring 44k 7.62 mm LMG meant for special forces? please illuminate.
 

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