INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

[SilentKiller]

Pls read these.
Modern Sub Machine Carbine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
DRDO develops close-quarter combat guns for Army - Brahmand.com
5.56×30mm MINSAS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How many carbines in the world have a range of 300 meters and can penetrate standard NATO armour?
We are still the a$$lickers of gori chamadi. We don't find anything good about our own products. Pls see the muzzle velocity of MSMC also.

How to prove what's written?
Numbers and volumes speaks.....if Army doesn't buy them....
what good r these numbers?

If its so good...its like 24 months since last time we know that army was to test them.
Money is everything thing now i guess, u bribe u take the deal...
DRDO can't bribe so no deal.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I am going to answer your questions as patient as i can, Coz you are just repeating same darn question which are answered again and again ..

First quote >>
It is your assumption then, Don't tell me that..

Firearms are not liked or disliked based on there looks but how they work on field for day and months, Don't say shit about Army, when you are not serving, Don`t fuking throw mud at us based on some bull shyt media whoring article..

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Second quote >>

INSAS hardly make flash even the LMG at night, Who told you so ?, And who told you INSAS is disliked in Army go around in any infantry Unit and ask, And dont give me this that Media BS comes from mouth of solider..

From your post you seems not to know about the purpose we purchased TAR-21, TAR-21 is for Para troopers and chose coz its a bullpup. Paratrooper equipment are compact to carry around in tight space in an aircraft and light enough to carry for miles..

Being modular has issues like lose parts..

Well there is a reason why i said so, in last post it was to be tested in 7-8 months.
Post date May 2011 and its now almost 24 months, what else u can expect.

INSAS was inducted in late 90's and it lost its charm with army.....Indian army officers are becoming pathetic day by day.....

Well Excalibur lost in trails as army was not happy with flash!!
And why the heck is army is going for Assault rifle and Carbines if its serious to buy new INSAS?

Why we bought Tavor?.....for me new trials for carbines are waste of money.
quickly choose 1 good assualt rifle with all parts of trails filmed and examined by neutral Gun experts...
and take Tavor as standard carbine....

Had it gone modular way, it would have been great!!

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Even in harsh situation, One must be positive and act according to situations..

Did media reported DRDO multical too in trails, NO ..

Try to relay more on your intellegence than Media PR ..

If its so good...its like 24 months since last time we know that army was to test them.

 

[SilentKiller]

Even in harsh situation, One must be positive and act according to situations..

Did media reported DRDO multical too in trails, NO ..

Try to relay more on your intellegence than Media PR ..

Who is going for Media PR?
I only quoted what my friend in DRDO felt.
they were unhappy how Arjun MK1 was treated in Trials. They had to install Black box in the Trails version.

Am not question the Army, but the process and the way some guys are trying to influence trials?
Ok, person who tried to bribe ex-army chief was also ex-army officer.
Same way i only said that, way scandals are happening in defense deals, we should be more vigilant and more strict.

 

[SilentKiller]

I am going to answer your questions as patient as i can, Coz you are just repeating same darn question which are answered again and again ..

First quote >>
It is your assumption then, Don't tell me that..

Firearms are not liked or disliked based on there looks but how they work on field for day and months, Don't say shit about Army, when you are not serving, Don`t fuking throw mud at us based on some bull shyt media whoring article..

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Second quote >>

INSAS hardly make flash even the LMG at night, Who told you so ?, And who told you INSAS is disliked in Army go around in any infantry Unit and ask, And dont give me this that Media BS comes from mouth of solider..

From your post you seems not to know about the purpose we purchased TAR-21, TAR-21 is for Para troopers and chose coz its a bullpup. Paratrooper equipment are compact to carry around in tight space in an aircraft and light enough to carry for miles..

Being modular has issues like lose parts..

I didn't said any shit about My army...
i am only against corruption that is coming up in army...

I know the purpose of Tavor, i said why r we not going for less types of guns.
why aren't we standardizing the guns.

I praised the effort of our industry...i was just giving my view, never questioned the integrity of My army.
I never said INSAS is bad.

If asking questions is bad, whats the fun of discussion then?
Do we even lose the right to question if we feel something bad is happening.
you could have just explained them instead of getting angry.

Today names Army army people are coming in bribes etc.
Did you read all my post and tried to understand, i even asked to further develop the INSAS, but DRDO either missed it or Army was unwilling to consider the updated one.

True am not serving person.

We are getting worried for our army.
We don't want our braves to die, if they don't have proper equipment's.

hope you understand, else sorry if i hurt anyone's sentiments....


As a saying its always easy to find mistakes in others but impossible to find in one's own work.
No one is accusing/bashing army, but just trying to help it see what it might not be able to see.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Understood and Agreed ..

Questions are fine but one should read this thread before asking the same questions again ..

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That is why multi-cal came out, Perhaps the one who came with the Idea was thinking based on INSAS just like me, Things get different when goes up..

Para`s were using Excalibur but had issues with length hence bullpup came out, Bullpup for Paras also was firstly based on Insas and wished by Army, When goes up TAR-21 won the competition..

Am not question the Army, but the process and the way some guys are trying to influence trials?
Ok, person who tried to bribe ex-army chief was also ex-army officer.Same way i only said that, way scandals are happening in defense deals, we should be more vigilant and more strict.

I know the purpose of Tavor, i said why r we not going for less types of guns.
why aren't we standardizing the guns.If asking questions is bad, whats the fun of discussion then?.

 

[Somreet Bhattacharya]

Kunal Sir,
With all due respect....We in the media can't help if some ill informed over enthusiastic person goes around quoting media reports...We kno the INSAS is a really good rifle when it comes to a weapon of choice...and we know the TAVOR was inducted for the Paras due to its design...now we can't help if some one goes around forming their opinions and concluding stuff...I am not saying the Army is incorruptible...there can be corruption but whether that has anything to do with procurement can only be said once it is proven right?? I dont remember any media report against a procurement procedure in the army....U can't blame the media for every opinion that one expresses...

 

[sayareakd]

Kunal Sir,
We in the media can't help if some ill informed over enthusiastic person goes around quoting media reports...We kno the INSAS is a really good rifle when it comes to a weapon of choice...and we know the TAVOR was inducted for the Paras due to its design...now we can't help if some one goes around forming their opinions and concluding stuff...I am not saying the Army is incorruptible...there can be corruption but whether that has anything to do with procurement can only be said once it is proven right?? I dont remember any media report against a procurement procedure in the army

strange thing is that INSAS rifle has bullpup version and it was IA that has rejected it, i think OFB could have made bullpup full auto for special forces, which would have been at cheaper price then Tavor.

 

[Somreet Bhattacharya]

strange thing is that INSAS rifle has bullpup version and it was IA that has rejected it, i think OFB could have made bullpup full auto for special forces, which would have been at cheaper price then Tavor.

I think they had some plans of it...but it didnt materialise

 

[sayareakd]

Tavor assault rifle's retail price is USD 1900

and its scope is expensive too.

Military Arms Channel Blog: US made IWI Tavor

 

[Kunal Biswas]

It shame that there is nothing can be seen on the real topic but butt-hurt emotions, I see nothing coming out good, That is Our Majority of Media with all due respect ..

Meet us over firing range, will break your statements there and send you boys crying back..

With all due respect....We in the media can't help if some ill informed over enthusiastic person goes around quoting media reports...

 

[Somreet Bhattacharya]

Kunal sir, we are deviating from the topic here, you can't solve anything this way... ...

 

[Kunal Biswas]

INSAS in CT ops..

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Its the other way around..

Don`t try to be an smart, there is wealth of knowledge taped here, Ask lots of questions ..

Kunal sir, we are deviating from the topic here, you can't solve anything this way... ...

 

[Kunal Biswas]

INSAS in CT ops..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

INSAS in CT ops..

 

[sayareakd]

Kunal sir, we are deviating from the topic here, you can't solve anything this way... ...

if you start with negative assumption you cant do anything........................

 

[Somreet Bhattacharya]

Newbie question Kunal Sir, doesn't the bright orange colour of the INSAS give away positions during COIN ops??

 

[ALBY]

That NEON orange colour is gonna blow up the cover of ambush with no doubt.I am eager to know which idiot had selected that bright colour in this 21st century for an assault rifle.They are now repainting AKms too inn this orange painnt which is visible fro very long distances.
Even though insas fires straight with out much stoppages,absence of rails,slight over weight,low mag capacity etc hinters it from being clubbed along with its wwestern counter parts like HK416,G36,SIG,or even chinese QBZ95.
For better sales and exposure a little bit of external make over is a must thing for INSAS.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The issue with co lour of Insas is hyped in media as Army is using bright orange AK & AKMS even before INSAS arrived in CT ops, Though concealment is important and yes that is why IA use improvised camouflaging for INSAS as well as AK but its use are restricted to certain environment..

The kind of warfare IA does In Majority of Semi-Urban areas where its hardly needed that is why you will notice majority of INSAS and AK are not camouflaged, But Men involve in LRP ( Long range Patrols ) have improvised camo-ed AK & INSAS...

Though new Insas 1B1 is rapidly replacing older INSAS from all Infantry units, New INSAS 1B1 is lot better in many ways over earlier INSAS 1B and older 1B1..

Regarding weight of New 1B1 its 3.5-8kgs, Same as Bren the one in RFI..

Newbie question Kunal Sir, doesn't the bright orange colour of the INSAS give away positions during COIN ops??

That NEON orange colour is gonna blow up the cover of ambush with no doubt.I am eager to know which idiot had selected that bright colour in this 21st century for an assault rifle.They are now repainting AKms too inn this orange painnt which is visible fro very long distances.Even though insas fires straight with out much stoppages,absence of rails,slight over weight,low mag capacity etc hinters it from being clubbed along with its wwestern counter parts like HK416,G36,SIG,or even chinese QBZ95 ?? .For better sales and exposure a little bit of external make over is a must thing for INSAS.

 

[Somreet Bhattacharya]

How is the new 1B1 different therefore sir?