INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

[Bornubus]

I am not getting the point you are making. Are you saying that bipod mounted Fn Mag Mmg are now being issued on large scale to replace Bren? and such bipoded Mmgs will be operated by single soldier rather than team of 2/3?

As far as i know these GPMG will be issued at Section level.

 

[sayareakd]

However, externally both are hideous and ugliest looking Rifle ever made in recent past.

In Vietnam war, people learned it hardway, that practical rifle is better than showpiece or designer one, at the end of war US soldiers used AK 47, this promted M16 to change its magzine design.

So its no fashion show, whats most practical and most easy to make will win you wars.

 

[Doc Mozart]

Hi, a bit off topic question, but can someone tell me is the IA or any other branch interested in the AK alfa project, which is happening between Kalashnikov Israel and Reliance Defense.

 

[Saumyasupraik]

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PS - This was issued to the PARA SF back in early 2000 but they went with PIKA

This is the 2A1 GPMG Bipod Version (FN MAG 60.20) that's also produced by Rifle Factory Ishapore. This variant is a bit rare since Army generally uses tripod mounted, stockless and bipodless version for Sustained Fire Roles.

This variant was generally seen in use with the SF.

INDRA 2011

Para SF (9th or 4th, not sure)

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Its a gud move, Effective suppresive fire was needed badly during Kargil wars and this was not there back then, At least after almost 2 decades the basic requirement is fulfilled at least some people are working for infantry ..

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I don`t think it will replace bren but will be issued along ..

LMG such as Bren and INSAS LMG use magazine and are perfect for assault and charging tasks, Also inclusion of GPMG means more ammunition will be carried by troops ..

Kunal Bhai this is the new GPMG issued to selected units. My Bud and classmate tried it at range in the yearly firing exercise in Rajasthan during last winters.

His Garhwal Rifle Unit has been attached with 7 th Infantry Division facing Pakistani Border. So i guess they have issued to the the units posted at sensitive areas.Got the video too but don't know how to upload it.

Ideal replacement for BREN

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PS - This was issued to the PARA SF back in early 2000 but they went with PIKA

 

[Raj Malhotra]

I have some reservations on the use of FN MAG for light infantry role as it has open bolt & no facilty for single shot or limited burst fire. I believe Bren is better suited to this role. Unless we design a light LMG in 7.62x51 from ground up like Negev or MG-4. Anyway as per CAG report Army ordered 1500 FN MAG to OFB but OFB managed to produce only 400 all of them rejected as defective.

 

[Bahamut]

Nice one @Bornubus.

Although it's very unlikely to happen,this is how it should be upgraded,

How about this

RPK-16 light handheld machine-gun
The new RPK-16 for 5.45 mm cartridges is an upgrade of the Soviet RPP-74 machine-gun.

This model has a Picatinny rail, making it possible to fit it with any type of sights, from night to thermal to collimator to optical sniper sights.

RPK-16 light machine rifle at the Kalashnikov pavilion / Source: Grigoriy Sysoev / RIA Novosti

According to its designers, the machine-gun can be used to fire single shots and hit 20-cm-diameter targets from a distance of 300-400 meters (according to its technical and tactical characteristics, the machine-gun can hit enemy personnel at a distance of 800 meters).

The machine-gun has got a lighter 96-round drum magazine. The weapon now weighs just 4.5 kg.

Such a machine gun shares magazine with assault rifle used

 

[Johny_Baba]

How about this

Such a machine gun shares magazine with assault rifle used

Nice one..btw what i meant is,it was very UNLIKELY to happen at here,in India cause of our lethargic attitude towards upgrades when it comes to firearms.

 

[Raj Malhotra]

INSAS LMG is a good weapon has got substantial orders in last couple of years

 

[sbm]

118,000 at the very least have been procured.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Drum magazine for INSAS LMG is long needed, But new requirement demand a complete new system ..

 

[Birhman]

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[Doc Mozart]

Any progress on MCIWS project or are we gonna go with the excalibur?

 

[hardip]

Kunal Bhai this is the new GPMG issued to selected units. My Bud and classmate tried it at range in the yearly firing exercise in Rajasthan during last winters.

His Garhwal Rifle Unit has been attached with 7 th Infantry Division facing Pakistani Border. So i guess they have issued to the the units posted at sensitive areas.Got the video too but don't know how to upload it.

Ideal replacement for BREN
From another source
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PS - This was issued to the PARA SF back in early 2000 but they went with PIKA

HHHHHHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

NICE one....

WHta try to Hide... behind BLACK point??? any idea?

Belt feed weapons...by MADE IN INDIA ?

isee first time.....

 

[Adioz]

US Army replacing weapons..........

How the hell are 30-round magazines going to provide covering fire?

The argument for this new kind of SAW weapon goes like so:-
M249 with high volume of firepower provides suppressive fire in enough volume but not with enough accuracy. The experienced fighters facing the M249, therefore, do not duck despite the heavy volume of firepower because they notice that the rounds are not landing close enough to them. So a new weapon is needed with better accuracy. Low volume firepower is a trade-off.

I say what the hell are marksmen for? They are the ones that need to pin down the enemy with long range accurate fire.

My favourite indian weapon is the MSMC i used it alot in black ops 2

I remember Black Ops-II having zombies, not MSMC.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Indian Army use INSAS & BREN LMG with 30rnd magazine and decides to keep it that way :

1. For use in assault or charging.
2. Carrying heavy load cause fatigue in long run.
3. Extra ammunition carried by other members of that formation besides carrying their own cause fatigue too.

Negav is design for using Magazine so does drum, Which is the correct way ..

How the hell are 30-round magazines going to provide covering fire?.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Exercise with Oman, Nepal & Mongolia ..

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Excalibur is meant for mid term solution until MICWS get into production ..

Any progress on MCIWS project or are we gonna go with the excalibur?

 

[indiandefencefan]

How the hell are 30-round magazines going to provide covering fire?

The US Army's rationale behind adopting a 30 round SAW was that previously, insurgents used to specifically target soldiers equipped the M249SAW.
This was because the Support gunner was easily identifiable due to how different his/her weapon looked in comparison to his comrades' M16/M4.

After they adopted the M27IAR (HK-416) in the SAW role, this decreased considerably as the Support gunner now blends into the team because the M27 looks similar to the others' M16/M4.

Got this nugget of info from a interview of a soldier who had served in Afghanistan.

And of course there are other reasons for a 30 round mag. as @Kunal Biswas has posted above.

 

[Adioz]

The US Army's rationale behind adopting a 30 round SAW was that previously, insurgents used to specifically target soldiers equipped the M249SAW.
This was because the Support gunner was easily identifiable due to how different his/her weapon looked in comparison to his comrades' M16/M4.

After they adopted the M27IAR (HK-416) in the SAW role, this decreased considerably as the Support gunner now

blends into the team because the M27 looks similar to the others' M16/M4.

Got this nugget of info from a interview of a soldier who had served in Afghanistan.

And of course there are other reasons for a 30 round mag. as @Kunal Biswas has posted above.

Indian Army use INSAS & BREN LMG with 30rnd magazine and decides to keep it that way :

1. For use in assault or charging.
2. Carrying heavy load cause fatigue in long run.
3. Extra ammunition carried by other members of that formation besides carrying their own cause fatigue too.

Negav is design for using Magazine so does drum, Which is the correct way ..

I am confused.

I can agree with the mobility and endurance arguments, as well as the argument that the identity of the support gunner should not be given away by the profile of his weapon. But I still do not see how we can convince the enemy to stay down when we are not deploying fire-superiority. In battalion-size engagements, we can rely on MMG crews from the support company. However, what happens if its platoon-size mission (like a combat patrol)?

Maybe we can circumvent this situation by having two LMG gunners in place of one. That way, when one is reloading, the other can keep up the suppresing fire. But then again, they'll need to carry more ammo, so section endurance will still be stressed.

BTW, do we still have the same 7-3 break-up between assault and support groups? If so, what does the support group consist of, apart from the LMG gunner? Is it the RCL guy and his loader/ammo-carrier buddy? Then what about the marksman? Is he not a standard part of the infantry section? Also, do they assign a separate soldier to carry spare barrel and ammo for the LMG?

Another question, are support company platoons attached to companies for company-size missions? If so, is it done on a mission-by-mission basis?

If there is an existing thread for infantry organisation, please point me in the right direction All I could find was this:-
Infantry a research
Lets carry out further discussion on this one.

Edit: Found another dead thread. This one died before it was born :
Indian infantry

 

[Kunal Biswas]

You can find a lot of information here : http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/indian-infantry-needs-to-modernise-itself.40996/

The thread is a sticky on Indian Infantry developments ..

If there is an existing thread for infantry organisation, please point me in the right direction All I could find was this:-
Infantry a research
Lets carry out further discussion on this one.

Edit: Found another dead thread. This one died before it was born :
Indian infantry