INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

[Tiger.Hind]

It's cool that with newer materials, .308 aka 7.62x51mm NATO is comeback||

 

[su35]

American nomenclature is very much to do with marketing strategy than common sense, They even call short barrel AR as pistols, Lets not bring it into Indian context which will make things more confusing..

I never heard or learn anywhere in IA that SLR were known as Battle rifles ..

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Quality will come with better manufacturing infrastructure within local private companies and this will happen only when Nation better itself economically, I have used Older 1B1 and improved 1B1 to know the differences ..

GPMG at far right ..

Is the GPMG is PKM inspired ? Look like having p rails with sight attached. any specification revealed ?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Hope its not like Stupid long rifle ( SLR ), Hope its size is same as 1B1 or less so does the recoil ..

The GPMG is a basic FN-MAG with pistol grip and wooden butt stock ..

Is the GPMG is PKM inspired ? Look like having p rails with sight attached. any specification revealed ?

It's cool that with newer materials, .308 aka 7.62x51mm NATO is comeback||

 

[su35]

Hope its not like Stupid long rifle ( SLR ), Hope its size is same as 1B1 or less so does the recoil ..

The GPMG is a basic FN-MAG with pistol grip and wooden butt stock ..

Wooden butt stock that interesting I thought army want to keep wood butt stock with Snipers. Hope see GPMG combat pics soon any name given to it

 

[lcafanboy]

NOT HAPPY WITH INDIA BEING LABELED ONE OF THE LARGEST IMPORTERS OF DEFENSE EQUIPMENT IN WORLD: ARUN JAITLEY
SATURDAY, MARCH 18, 2017 BYINDIANDEFENSE NEWS

BEL CEO detailing the Remote Controlled Weapons Station to Maj Gen GD Bakshi at Aero India
Union minister Arun Jaitley, who was appointed the Defence minister just days ago after Manohar Parrikar stepped down to become the chief minister of Goa, met Russia’s Minister of Trade and Industry Denis Manturov at Manekshaw Centre on Friday. Manturov is on a two-day visit to India to focus on issues related to the $1-billion Indo-Russian deals including Kamov-226 helicopters, the progress of Project 1135-6 frigates for the Indian Navy and T-90 tanks for the Indian Army, among others. Soon after the meeting, Arun Jaitley said, “India is one of the largest importers of defense equipment in the world, and this definitely is not a label we are happy with.” Addressing a conference on India-Russia Military and Industrial cooperation, Jaitley called for deeper bilateral engagement in defense production. He said that Russia should at least facilitate manufacturing of parts and subsystems, which are needed in large numbers and where the requirement is recurring in nature.
According to FE Bureau, “Besides meeting with the new defense minister Arun Jaitley, three sets of meetings have been planned for the visiting minister. He will meet officials of Indian Army, Navy and the Air Force. The interaction between the Russian side and the Indian armed forces, as well as the industry, is to see how all can work together as a support system.”
On the day, two agreements were signed at the conference between India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) and Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation and United Engine Corporation for the long-term supply of spares and technical assistance for Sukhoi Su-30MKI aircraft for five years.
Saying that these moves are part of the larger defense and economic agenda chalked out by Prime Minister Narendra Modi for India, FM Jaitley said, “PM, after forming the government, launched the Make in India initiative; defense production is identified as one of the key areas under this.”
Earlier today, Defence Minister Jaitley while intervening in the Lok Sabha during a debate had said that the Indian armed forces were fully prepared to meet any challenge and asked the Opposition to be very careful about conveying the impression that they were not due to lack of procurement.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2017/03/not-happy-with-india-being-labeled-one.html

@sayareakd @Indx TechStyle @Kunal Biswas @all

 

[debspark90]

Ya I have seen that pic. But I think it was only for SFs. Is this going for the infantry as well ? Recently Oman had been using MAG GPMG in Ex- Al Nagah-II here in India though.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Its a practice that every new firearm goes to frontal units before issuing to regular infantry ..

In this manner, whatever issues comes around could be iron out before mass production ..

Though, a firearm sees continual improvements throughout its service life in various versions ..

Ya I have seen that pic. But I think it was only for SFs. Is this going for the infantry as well ? Recently Oman had been using MAG GPMG in Ex- Al Nagah-II here in India though.

 

[Shashank Sharma]

I understand that it has been license manufactured by OFT. Why couldn't we give them the Excalibur or any other Indian designed one?

 

[AbRaj]

The first lot of indigenously developed assault rifle, AK-47, was handed over to the Chhattisgarh Police on the Ordnance Factory Tiruchi (OFT) campus here on the occasion of 216th Ordnance Factories Day celebration on Saturday.

K. Appa Rao, General Manager, OFT, handed over the AK-47 to D. Ratan Lal, Deputy Inspector General of Police, Chhattisgarh. Mr. Rao said police departments in many States, including Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, were fighting against Maoists. The central armed paramilitary forces and elite forces such as Special Task Force, CRPF, Border Security Force and the elite forces of Army in the order of Rashtriya Rifles, Assam Rifles were using imported AK-47 and other AK series rifles for counter insurgency operations against Kashmir militants and other extremist forces.

Army and Central armed paramilitary forces were shifting towards 7.62 mm caliber rifles with automatic firing for having high probability to incapacitate and kill the enemy in counter-insurgency operations. The OFT took up the ‘7.62 x 39 mm Assault Rifle Project’ one-and-a-half-year ago. It was equivalent and on a par with advanced AK-47 rifles in performance and reliability. “It is a powerful individual automatic weapon designed to destroy the enemy in automatic and single fire mode.

D. Ratan Lal, Deputy Inspector General of Police, Chhattisgarh, showing the assault rifle at Ordnance Factory Tiruchi campus on Saturday. OFT General Manager K. Appa Rao is seen
This rifle was manufactured in three variants - fixed butt, side foldable butt and under folding. “The user has the option to choose it as per requirement. This weapon uses 7.62 x 39 mm ammunition made by Ordnance Factory, Varangoan, Bhushawal. “It can be fired in single shot, automatic and burst fire mode. In automatic mode, it fires 600 rounds per minute,” he said.

By firing in automatic mode in short series, group or single targets at a distance up to 500 metres could be destroyed. It was most effective up to a distance of 300 meters. The design permitted attaching with a 40mm under barrel Grenade Launcher UBGL and 40x46 mm under barrel Grenande Launcher UBGL-M6, he said.

Morover there were inherent advantages of engineering support from OFT and adequate availability of ammunition and spares.

Mr. Rao said the OFT received orders for AK-47 from police departments from a few States. The production and assembly lines were being established for mass production.

Ordnance Factories across the country were concentrating on in-house research and development. Modernization of plant and machinery was another major thrust area, he said.
Later, Mr. Appa Rao inaugurated an exhibition on weapons and photographs.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities...ry-develops-assault-rifle/article17528273.ece
@Indx TechStyle @AbRaj

don't even know that AK 47 was developed by USSR.

 

[OverLoad]

don't even know that AK 47 was developed by USSR.

They now but mentioned license production by India.

 

[Chinmoy]

The reporter doesn't even know what he is reporting. This is the Indian version of AK series better known as Ghatak. Many state police have applied for the same and distribution is under way. In the same league, Chattisgarh police too is getting the cache. Recently seen a lot of these with CISF.

@Shashank Sharma .... Police team of Naxal infested area and other CT ops areas have opted for 7.62 round instead of 5.45, so this Ghatak instead of Excalibur.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The original TAR from FAL influenced would have been much better than a simple clone, Ghatak is better design available already ..

Ordinance factories are competing between themselves and this is how they do it ..

 

[debspark90]

Its a practice that every new firearm goes to frontal units before issuing to regular infantry ..

In this manner, whatever issues comes around could be iron out before mass production ..

Though, a firearm sees continual improvements throughout its service life in various versions ..

Yes of course, Baptism by Fire..

And @Kunal Biswas any new update on the MCIWS ? What is the status and what about it's new design changes. Sorry if this has been already mentioned before.

Thanks in advance.

 

[AbRaj]

The original TAR from FAL influenced would have been much better than a simple clone, Ghatak is better design available already ..

Ordinance factories are competing between themselves and this is how they do it ..

FAL design is definitely better. Better to slap a modern lightweight body to reliable and accurate FAL internal design.
BTW between Ak47 and FAL (Full auto)which is preferred by an armymen.
Apperantly Ak has distinct advantage over SLR in COIN ops IMO.

 

[Shaitan]

The reporter doesn't even know what he is reporting. This is the Indian version of AK series better known as Ghatak. Many state police have applied for the same and distribution is under way. In the same league, Chattisgarh police too is getting the cache. Recently seen a lot of these with CISF.

@Shashank Sharma .... Police team of Naxal infested area and other CT ops areas have opted for 7.62 round instead of 5.45, so this Ghatak instead of Excalibur.

It's not Ghatak, that is Ishapore's model. This is Trichys, known as, T.A.R.

Two factories are now producing AK47 clones.

 

[Lions Of Punjab]

According to IDRW , the new 7.62*51mm rifle which is presently undergoing trials is an advanced version of INSAS Excalibur Rfile (Named AR-2) .

http://idrw.org/ar-2-excalibur-assault-rifle-headed-for-indian-army-trials/

 

[Masada]

The slanted tip of barrel used to be of old Ak's ,so there is no flash suppressor .How many years it takes to clone a 1947 era design without any new design inputs .

This is Bulgarian SLR ,from whom India has been buying bulk AK's in the past

 

[Kunal Biswas]

First know how R&D system works of a country before thinking ahead ..

Requirement are prepared by Defense forces which are put into design, If the requirement is no flash hider then their won`t be a flash hider.

The slanted tip of barrel used to be of old Ak's ,so there is no flash suppressor .How many years it takes to clone a 1947 era design without any new design inputs .

This is Bulgarian SLR ,from whom India has been buying bulk AK's in the past

 

[Kunal Biswas]

IDRW is not the best source to count on, AR-2 was chambered for 7.62M43 ..

If their is indeed a variant of Excalibur then the designation will be different ..

Personally i will be glad if based on Excalibur as it share most of parts with 1B1, Specially cleaning and handling.

 

[Johny_Baba]

Requirement are prepared by Defense forces which are put into design,

Don't you think dada it's a bit problem with us ?

DRDO/OFB make stuff 'STRICTLY' as per requirements given by Defense Forces.

What about innovation ? why don't they made something of their own and present it to our forces ? (I hope you get the message)