INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

[rishivashista13]

MARK 1A

Ghatak

Both MK1A and Ghatak have similar railing furnish.

Anamika rail design

Which is that gun , with anamika rail ??

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[Shaitan]

Which is that gun , with anamika rail ??

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Anamika is a 9mm, MP5 copy being tested by OFB.

 

[Shaitan]

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[cobra commando]

Assam Rifles trooper with Excalibur

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Its seems MK1A is going places, Older pics of-course.

Not regarding Assam rifles though.

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Assam Rifles trooper with Excalibur
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[Certified Gipsy]

Why is the finishing so bad in quality? Why are we not able to manufactures rifles that look like the European ones in its finishing?

 

[Certified Gipsy]

Days Before Exit, MoS Rao Inderjit Singh Had Major Row Over Gun Deal

NEW DELHI: In this week's Cabinet reshuffle, Rao Inderjit Singh was moved from the ministry of defence (MoD), where he was a minister of state (MoS), and given the remit of planning and urban development, also as MoS.

Just 10 days before the reshuffle, on June 25, Singh had a major row in a high-level MoD meeting, forcing Defence Minister Manohar Parikkar to intervene. In that meeting, Singh took on the Army and MoD's acquisition wing, accused them of "unfair selection" in an Army contract for 44,000 carbines, batted for inclusion of Italian firm Beretta in the list of vendors, even asking for a CBI probe into the selection process.

Beretta had been disqualified in Army trials for carbines, and Israeli firm IWI was the only firm that passed the test.

At that same meeting, the Army and the MoD's acquisition wing made the point that the terms of reference of the contract could not be changed to accommodate any vendor, and that such a decision would not survive legal scrutiny.

Officers who spoke to ET for this story did so on the condition they not be identified. They said Parikkar agreed with the principle of not having a single vendor but he said he will take up the issue at a different level. MoD responded to ET's questions by saying it did not wish to comment.

Singh, who spoke to ET at length, said he had asked for a CBI inquiry. He claimed his point was to establish how the army had picked a "single vendor", IWI, for this order.

Beretta is promoted in India by Udai Singh and his father Bhupinder Singh. The senior Singh, nicknamed Tusky by his friends, is a familiar figure in Delhi's defence circles. The Singhs had figured in a controversy over supply of allegedly sub-standard submachine guns to Border Security Force.

When contacted by ET, Bhupinder Singh said he was not "aware of any development or controversy around the carbine deal".

Documents reviewed by ET show Rao Inderjit Singh had made his first intervention in February 2015, through a letter to Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, and sent another communication in June 2015.

Before Singh's intervention, Beretta, an Italian firm best known for its handguns, had been disqualified by the Army as a vendor because its carbines' laser sight did not make the cut in trials.

Singh's interventions through 2015 and in the meeting a week before the Cabinet reshuffle made the point that Beretta should be called for another round of trials.

Singh's first letter in January 2015 made acase for a retrial, arguing that a single vendor will push up price.

In the second letter in June 2015, the junior minister suggested the contract be modified to ensure there is no single vendor situation. He argued that laser sights could be procured from the public sector defence manufacturer Bharat Electronics Ltd.

Singh told ET: "There was an apprehension that the resultant single vendor situation (in favour of IWI) could have been managed. I asked for a CBI inquiry, if necessary, to get to the bottom of the affair," he said.

http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/07/days-before-exit-mos-rao-inderjit-singh.html?m=1

We still have some people who are interested in bribe.
And I want to know how strong lobby these Italian firms have every newspaper is advocating the Italian and franch defence systems.

Mr. Singh is vindicated and the defense minister has canceled this whole deal.

The tender was under the scanner over the possibility of favours being given to Israeli firm, Israeli Weapons Industry, over its other rivals in the deal.

http://www.sachtimes.com/en/india/5...irm-over-corruption,-cancels-the-defence-deal

 

[Certified Gipsy]

Excuse my ignorance, please! What does an amogh carbine mean? Are the coastal guards using INSAS? Which version is that?

 

[Certified Gipsy]

We have developed Vidhwansak AMR (Anti Material Riffle) but the thing is our tactics is not compatible with sniper warfare hence we dont give much exposure to snipers

What does this mean? Are we not trained to be good snipers? or Are we not trained to handle sniper warfare? Both do not sound good.

 

[Chinmoy]

What does this mean? Are we not trained to be good snipers? or Are we not trained to handle sniper warfare? Both do not sound good.

India does have trained snipers, but they are mostly DM rather then full fledged Sniper team.
If you would pay attention towards the warfare IA is regularly getting tangled in, you might have observed that scope of full fledged sniper team is only there in Special forces and they are working there. But else where they are acting more as DM.

 

[Chinmoy]

Excuse my ignorance, please! What does an amogh carbine mean? Are the coastal guards using INSAS? Which version is that?

Amogh is a carbine version of INSAS. The other thing is it uses 5.56x30 mm round instead of 5.56x45 mm normal round.
Coastal gaurds were seen using Amogh in limited numbers.

 

[sayareakd]

Why is the finishing so bad in quality? Why are we not able to manufactures rifles that look like the European ones in its finishing?

These are made using stamp metal (not sure about exact word) while others used CNC. Main advantage is when you have to scale up production.

Good example is during WW2. Russian females were able to make more than one tank a day. While the Germans in last half made sophisticated tank which was difficult to make, thus they lost war on this front too.

So one view is that: quantity itself is one form of quality.

Now what you see is INSAS or other OFB product, mind you during last carbine or rifle open tender competition, non of the advance rifle survived in our environment and they all failed. Tender was cancelled becauae of this. Now MOD is going back to OFB......as its rifles have only fulfilled tender requirements.

 

[Chinmoy]

These are made using stamp metal (not sure about exact word) while others used CNC. Main advantage is when you have to scale up production.

Good example is during WW2. Russian females were able to make more than one tank a day. While the Germans in last half made sophisticated tank which was difficult to make, thus they lost war on this front too.

So one view is that: quantity itself is one form of quality.

Now what you see is INSAS or other OFB product, mind you during last carbine or rifle open tender competition, non of the advance rifle survived in our environment and they all failed. Tender was cancelled becauae of this. Now MOD is going back to OFB......as its rifles have only fulfilled tender requirements.

Moreover latest in INSAS or its family doesn't bear the out of fashion look of its predecessor.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

INSAS 1B1 improved ( Details are in this thread ), The hires photo close up.

Dimension of photo : 2908 x 1134

 

[Certified Gipsy]

Looks much better, but not the best like the European ones. The edges are all very rough. I could be wrong. May be in person it looks much better. Thank you for sharing the pic.

 

[ezsasa]

Looks much better, but not the best like the European ones. The edges are all very rough. I could be wrong. May be in person it looks much better. Thank you for sharing the pic.

Don't think looks are a criteria in case of GSQR given by the ARMY. If you would have talked about ergonomics, that is a different matter.

 

[Johny_Baba]

I just found out that INSAS has one particular variant which has 4-position fire selector (With Safe,Semi-Automatic,Three-round Burst and Full Automatic) but i couldn't find picture of it anywhere.

Anybody has Clear Photo of it that shows particular fire selector ?

I found this but it's not clear enough.

 

[vkp171083]

Sir ,What happened MSMC carbine

 

[vkp171083]

When our defence forces will induct MSMC?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

MSMC has cleared user trails successfully, Its awaiting orders.