INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

[Kunal Biswas]

TAR is going for Coast guards ..

 

[Sunder singh]

It look like copy of ak

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[aditya g]

TAR is going for Coast guards ..

They were also first to adopt the mini insas. Good on them.

 

[Saumyasupraik]

The TAR looks like a Bulgarian AR M1 clone. You can differentiate between the new TAR and Ghatak
1)Milled receiver (seems logical to go this way since OFT has the milling equipment) on the TAR instead of stamped steel receiver based on the INSAS of the Ghatak.
2)90* gas block of the AR M1 on the TAR instead of AKM gas block on the Ghatak.
3)AK-47/AR-M1 style buttstock along with bulgarian side-folder and telescopic buttstock on the TAR instead of the AKM (MPi KM to be specific) style buttstock of the Ghatak.

 

[sbm]

Was speaking to a para SF officer today. Complaining about 1) Night vision sights for small arms and 2) INSAS rifle.

He claimed that the night vision sights were of poor quality (BEL) and that the INSAS rifle has a design flaw in that once dismantled and reassembled, the sights need to be re-zeroed.

Any input from anyone on these issues ? Kunal as you've used the rifle, your opinion would be invaluable. Thanks

 

[tharun]

@Kunal Biswas Do any one in armed forces uses suppressor,because i never seen any soldier carrying it...

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Such need arise only if the rifle sights are interfered while cleaning, Otherwise not needed at all ..

Not in regular Army that i know of ..

INSAS rifle has a design flaw in that once dismantled and reassembled, the sights need to be re-zeroed

@Kunal Biswas Do any one in armed forces uses suppressor,because i never seen any soldier carrying it...

 

[Sunder singh]

What about the accuracy it as bad as ak

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[Raj Malhotra]

It is because of sights being placed on top of pivoting receiver cover. This has been rectified in MCIWS but Army will take Atleasr ten years to order any.

 

[sbm]

Thanks for the input. But does that not create an unnecessary issue for the INSAS rifle and wasn't this also dealt with on the Excalibur and the 1B1 ?

 

[Blood+]

Thanks for the input. But does that not create an unnecessary issue for the INSAS rifle and wasn't this also dealt with on the Excalibur and the 1B1 ?

As long as the sights will be placed over a pivoting style dust cover, like found in INSAS and AK variants (that's the reason why the back sights in AK series rifles are placed so far in the front), the zeroing problem will remain.One way to rectify that would be to change the cover design from a pivoting one to a sliding one, or better yet, go for a different style of receiver all together.

 

[Bornubus]

@Kunal Biswas Do any one in armed forces uses suppressor,because i never seen any soldier carrying it...

Para and Ghatak troops.


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[Kunal Biswas]

Dust cover has nothing to do with zeroing error, Optics are also placed on it and works well ..

As long as the sights will be placed over a pivoting style dust cover, like found in INSAS and AK variants (that's the reason why the back sights in AK series rifles are placed so far in the front), the zeroing problem will remain.

It is because of sights being placed on top of pivoting receiver cover.

 

[Raj Malhotra]

In theory, sights and optics should work fine but they don't. If the receiver is made too tight fitting its bitch to open and if, loose then it rattles. Both ways, sights are fucked. It was a poor design choice and simple solution of Isapore was also not used. Anyway MCIWS rectifies it.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Service firearm are design according to Army requirement and supervision, In case of such defects it would not have been recommended for service ..

Most of these defects are self inflicted or rugged use render some-parts loosed and not replaced..

In theory, sights and optics should work fine but they don't. If the receiver is made too tight fitting its bitch to open and if, loose then it rattles. Both ways, sights are fucked. It was a poor design choice and simple solution of Isapore was also not used. Anyway MCIWS rectifies it.

 

[Blood+]

Service firearm are design according to Army requirement and supervision, In case of such defects it would not have been recommended for service ..

Most of these defects are self inflicted or rugged use render some-parts loosed and not replaced..

Raj does have a valid point, don't brush it aside like this.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I was stating the points before in practice not as theory, Rai assuming it as in theory ..

Understand the points before getting into conclusions ..

Raj does have a valid point, don't brush it aside like this.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Let me share this picture with you all..

We use this weapon regularly, With or without optics, People do not require adjust iron sights after striping it for cleaning and then reassembling it, Batches after batches use same weapon in their turns in firing without having any issues with respect to accuracy ..

1B1`s dust-cover is not like AKM in every aspect, In dimensions nor in thickness nor they way it get mounted on weapon, It does not even vibrate during firing like in AKMs ..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Glad to see these new Improved 1B1 with CRPF / J&K Police in the valley, That too in folded butt-stock ..

 

[Rahul Singh]

Tonbo Imaging to provide night vision to Peruvian Army

By Nilesh Christopher, ET Bureau | Updated: Oct 12, 2016, 08.54 AM IST

BENGALURU: Tonbo Imaging, a Bengaluru-based startup, has bagged a $100-million contract to manufacture and export ‘night-vision sights’ for guns to be sold by a US company to the Peruvian army. The device will be fitted on rifles supplied to Peru by US manufacturerUnified Weapon Systems (UWS). Tonbo and UWS will offer a similar deal to the Indian army.

"Close to 10,000 weapons will be equipped with Tonbo’s thermal imaging sight with a total order of over $100 million over the next 10 years," Arvind Lakshmikumar, CEO of Tonbo Imaging, said about the Peru contract. Apart from production of weaponry, the deal with Fábrica de Armas y Municiones del Ejército (FAME), Peru’s state-owned military industry, will encompass transfer of technology of the assault rifles and weapon sights. This means, local technicians in Peru will learn how to make modern rifles and weapon sights. "The transfer of technology will create self-reliance for the domestic industry in the long run," said Lakshmikumar.

The Peruvian government signed a $1.5-billion deal with UWS to assemble and jointly manufacture 3,00,000 rifles to modernise the weaponry of the armed forces and its national police. The tender to supply day optics for the guns was won by US-based Browe, while the contract for night-vision sights was bagged by Tonbo. UWS conducted field trials on Tonbo’s weapon sight ‘Arjun’ over eight months.

Named after marksman warrior Arjuna from the Mahabharata, the ‘Arjun’ sights fended off competition from multinational defence companies such as BAE Systems, L-3 Communications Holdings, and FLIR Systems. This is a unique distinction given that "India is not known for its cutting-edge defence industry", said Mike Bingham, CEO of UWS, adding that the Indian defence market is largely dominated by imports from Russia and Israel.

When asked why UWS chose Tonbo, Bingham said: "While most nightvision systems run proprietary operating systems, Tonbo’s systems are built on Android. This makes their systems very secure and scalable." Lakshmikumar said the Tonbo-UWS partnership will offer the same package deal to the Indian government.

The Ministry of Defence has launched a hunt for a new-generation assault rifle, as reported by ET in September. According to the RFI (Request for Information), the army is looking to procure 1,85,000 assault rifles with about 65,000 to be delivered over the next four to 28 months. "This package is now being offered to the Indian army as a part of the Indian army RFI for assault weapons. We will be doing field trials with various army groups to demonstrate the capabilities of the weapon," Lakshmikumar said.

Asked how Tonbo would meet the requirements of both the Indian and Peruvian governments, Lakshmikumar said: "We have set up relationships with contract manufacturers who have the potential to scale up. With our current ecosystem, we can build up to 4,000 sights in a month. We currently don’t make anywhere near that number. But if the orders come in, our process is set up for scale and capacity." By owning the intellectual property for the design and manufacture of its products, Tonbo exerts control over the supply chain. As a next step, Tonbo plans to push its products across other military segments such as land systems, UAVs, weapon systems and missiles and create global adoption of Indian-made products.

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