INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

[pankaj nema]

MSMC has cleared user trails successfully, Its awaiting orders.

Hello Sir

could you please tell us how Indian Army Sniper Guns compare to the Pakistanis

I ask this because the Pakis are using snipers to kill our soldiers on the LOC

 

[Project Dharma]

Hello Sir

could you please tell us how Indian Army Sniper Guns compare to the Pakistanis

I ask this because the Pakis are using snipers to kill our soldiers on the LOC

I'm also interested in learning more about snipers from two sides, specifically a comparison of training equipment etc.

 

[Chinmoy]

@pankaj nema @Project Dharma .......... First of all you have to understand what is a Sniper. Sniper is not just about shooting and 'One shot one kill'. It is more about tactics and survival. A Sniper's primary role is not to shoot at the first sight but his role is more of a recon person then a warrior. Snipers are mostly used as a cover up for any assault. So keeping all these roles in mind, role of sniper in any army is defined by the doctrine it follows.

As far as weapons of IA sniper and PA sniper is concerned, both does make use of weapons at par with other armies in world. Sniper rifles are actually high calibrated and highly accurate version of assault or hunting rifles. Along with that you have to look at what round you are using. Both side does use rounds ranging from 7.61 to Winchester to 50 BMG.

Training procedures of PA snipers could be provided by PA only and as far as training of Indian snipers are concerned they are at par with any other country. We provide sniper training in many of the army schools across India like MWS, Parvat Ghatak, CIJW.

 

[busesaway]

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[kapali_ninaad]

Looks much better, but not the best like the European ones. The edges are all very rough. I could be wrong. May be in person it looks much better. Thank you for sharing the pic.

Please don't get me wrong, but by "edges being rough" ?, do you mean the receiver with bad finishing ? INSAS was modelled after Ak-74 ( ruggedness of AK-47 and the 223 round), this is what you get after the stamped manufacturing process. If you have FN SCAR ( polymer lower and aluminium upper receiver or Beretta ARX upper and lower receiver both made of polymer) in mind, then I would say you might be comparing apples with oranges.

INSAS is a very accurate rifle with its problems ( fingers crossed), ironed out.

 

[sbm]

Kunal, how would you compare the INSAS 1B1 or Excalibur vs the M4 in terms of accuracy, reliability, ease of maintenance and durability?

 

[mikhail]

Hello Sir

could you please tell us how Indian Army Sniper Guns compare to the Pakistanis

I ask this because the Pakis are using snipers to kill our soldiers on the LOC

Well,the only visible difference between the two armies is the fact that the P.A. uses Styr SSG-69 (a bolt action rifle)as it primary sniper eifle whereas we use SVD Dragunov semi-auto rifle as our DMR.

 

[Project Dharma]

Well,the only visible difference between the two armies is the fact that the P.A. uses Styr SSG-69 (a bolt action rifle)as it primary sniper eifle whereas we use SVD Dragunov semi-auto rifle as our DMR.

Aren't bolt actions supposed to be more accurate? Does India use any bolt action rifles?

 

[mikhail]

Aren't bolt actions supposed to be more accurate? Does India use any bolt action rifles?

Well,truth to be told,the SSG-69 is a bit more accurate one than our SVD but then again the Dragunov itself is quite an accurate DMR itself and seldom misses its target beyond 500 m.Plus,being a semi-auto one with a 10 round magazine,it has it's own set of advantages over the SSG-69.

 

[republic_roi97]

Finally some good news for Excalibur.
http://www.janes.com/article/65209/ia-to-induct-excalibur-as-interim-assault-rifle

Army plans to induct the assault rifle as stopgap till a better model is procured

Faced with a huge delay in acquiring world-class rifles for its soldiers, the Army is now reluctantly planning to induct the indigenously developed Excalibur, an assault rifle it had initially rejected, though in limited numbers.

The fully automatic rifle, which fires 5.56mm ammunition built by the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), is an upgraded version of the trouble-prone INSAS (Indian National Small Arms System) inducted in the mid-1990s.

Army sources said that with the procurement delays in mind, the force is looking to induct the Excalibur to replace the INSAS till the time a new rifle joins the force.

“The Army has shown interest in a modified form of Excalibur. The exact number and time frame has not yet been intimated by the Army,” the Public Relations Officer of the OFB told The Hindu in response to a query.

The Army has been trying to replace the INSAS and had launched an ambitious global tender for interchangeable barrels capable of firing both 5.56mm and 7.62mm calibre bullets. After extensive trials, the tender was cancelled early this year as none of the contenders could meet the requirements.

The Army has now decided to go for 7.62mm calibre and fresh General Staff Quality Requirements (GSQR) have just been issued.

The Excalibur was comprehensively evaluated at Infantry School, Mhow, in November 2005 and recommended for induction in the Army in due course of time, the PRO said. But the Army later did not show interest in its induction, which has changed in light of the procurement delays.

However before induction, the Army wants to carry out extensive user exploitation trails to validate the rifle.

Sources said that to save time and shorten the process, the Army intended to procure large volume of the guns to carry out simultaneous trials in various locations.

The Rifle Factory, Ishapore, had produced 15 prototypes for user and quality evaluation, and additional features sought by the user are to be incorporated. However, the OFB is yet to receive any communication for large volumes for exploitation trails, sources said.

 

[republic_roi97]

@Kunal Biswas Sir, can you shed some light on that, are they going to induct the new 2015 version of excalibur ?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

MK1C is the one from 2015, And yes it will be the one getting inducted ..

@Kunal Biswas Sir, can you shed some light on that, are they going to induct the new 2015 version of excalibur ?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

INSAS LMG ( older ) with 4 x Magnifier ..

 

[republic_roi97]

MK1C is the one from 2015, And yes it will be the one getting inducted ..

Thats a very good news, I am very happy for the indigenous rifle. God Bless

 

[El_mag]

Why does DRDO/OFB not develop an improved version of the FN-FAL 7.62 auto version if that's what Army wants. Use FN FAL Auto/SCAR/ HK 417 as a template. Even Turks have developed a 7.62 AR.
There is an auto version of the SLR but I have heard that recoil was a big issue in full auto mode.
Why not modernise it with polymer furniture, shorter barrel, new type butt stock from MICWS, Piccatiny rails & a forward hand grip.
I am sure there are thousands of SLR still in stock which could be upgraded.

 

[Johny_Baba]

Why does DRDO/OFB not develop an improved version of the FN-FAL 7.62 auto version if that's what Army wants. Use FN FAL Auto/SCAR/ HK 417 as a template. Even Turks have developed a 7.62 AR.
There is an auto version of the SLR but I have heard that recoil was a big issue in full auto mode.
Why not modernise it with polymer furniture, shorter barrel, new type butt stock from MICWS, Piccatiny rails & a forward hand grip.
I am sure there are thousands of SLR still in stock which could be upgraded.

OFB Trichy is a 7.62 x 39 mm version of FAL with some modern elements (and i am sure they could've made 5.56 mm and 6.8mm version of it too) but i have no idea why it isn't in race of next assault rifle of Indian army.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Due to various reason, The SLR design is being dropped and AKM design is adopted ..

Their are various SLR which are upgraded with 1B1 fiber furniture.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Karnataka police with PSG-1 and Excalibur MK1A .

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Post regarding sniper related discussion moved here : http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/snipers-sharpshooters-in-indian-army.12127/page-11

 

[Kunal Biswas]

A camouflaged INSAS 1B1, Its nothing new about 1B1 getting camo but this is unique paint job..